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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



pawian
6 Oct 2023  #3091

Do these wise things include

By wise things I meant the ones about Kania who cherishes a whole spectrum of beliefs and can`t decide which is his permanent one. He says one thing today and on the next day contradicts himself nicely. It is really difficult to guess his true views. Does he have such??? He changes them like gloves..... :):):)

Even his Russian buddies here are perplexed. Bobko said:

You start your silly song again.


Novichok
6 Oct 2023  #3092

Novi, respectfully, Russia is far more corrupt than Ukraine.

That depends on the definition of "corrupt". My definition goes beyond 20 bucks slipped to a cop and includes, as the single worst case ever, the orgy of money circulating between the US MIC and Congress. The worst part of it: these motherfu*ckers made it legal so in their books it's not corruption. It's a model of democracy we are trying to shove down everybody's throat.

That is why our mil "budget" is approaching one fu*cking trillion bucks or 12 times more than Russia's.

But it's Russia that is a threat to the world, not our MIC that - along with NATO - needs to justify its existence way too often.

Velund
6 Oct 2023  #3093

It's a good thing that I ignore some posters here

Why is it harmful to argue with unprincipled scum and idiots?
You can't prove anything to them, but you have to come down to their level of discussion and there they can overwhelm you with experience.

Baboon demonstrates this every fcuking day. ;)

GefreiterKania
6 Oct 2023  #3094

you have to come down to their level of discussion and there they can overwhelm you with experience

Well said, Veli.

Besides, let's not forget that geniuses are very often unappreciated by the hoi polloi. We have to learn to live with that. ;)

Paulina
6 Oct 2023  #3095

That is why our mil "budget" is approaching one fu*cking trillion bucks or 12 times more than Russia's.

Judging from what I've found percentage-wise RuSSia spent more of its budget before the full scale invasion of Ukraine on the military than the US:

wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/russias-unprecedented-war-budget-explained

"In the years 2019-21, the federal budget allocated, annually, 3 to 3.6 trillion rubles to the military ($44.1 to $48.5 billion, based on annual average exchange rates), according to official reports. These numbers represented 14 to 16.5 percent of the federal budget, or 3 to 4 percent of the GDP."

While the US spends 12 percent of its budget on the military.

there they can overwhelm you with experience

Noone can beat the Putinists here in lying and spreading fake news.

mafketis
6 Oct 2023  #3096

laughable. There is no evidence to sustain the argument.

That's why they're so crazy. They go to the US and despite massive problems that do exist now... they see that living standards are higher than in russia that people aren't stupid and the cognitive dissonance is unbearable.... and so they double down. I'm told that russians in America are far more fanatical in their support of putain than russians in russia....

It's like a gambling addict on a losing streak deciding the way to get ahead is to make bigger and bigger bets.
Or... it's like an evangelical Christian watching documentaries about evolution and ending up more convinced of creationism than ever....
People tend to defend their beliefs, the more irrational the more fiercely they defend them.

pawian
6 Oct 2023  #3097

there they can overwhelm you with experience.

Yes, it is true that monkeys have more experience than humans as their elder brothers in the fate. :)::):)

geniuses are very often unappreciated by the hoi polloi.

Not only that. Geniuses are also troubled by mental disorders. My genial Math professor in high school even ended up in a mental institution for 3 month treatment.

Paulina
6 Oct 2023  #3098

wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/russias-unprecedented-war-budget-explained

And btw:

"Russia's military expenditure has tripled compared to pre-war times. By 2023, the government intends to spend $160 billion on military needs, or 40 percent of its budget. Combined with regional and private war-related expenditures, this figure may surpass 10 percent of GDP in 2023."

o_O'

they see that living standards are higher

If RuSSia really spends 40% of its budget on military by 2023 then those living standards will be even lower... 😳 I doubt that the likes of Bobko will be moving back to RuSSia anytime soon... lol

pawian
6 Oct 2023  #3099

Baboon demonstrates this every fcuking day. ;)

Until I get bored and decide to take a break for a while. But I can`t tell you when it will happen. Might be tomorrow or in 2025. Monkeys are unpredictable. Like Russians. hahahaha

I doubt that the likes of Bobko will be moving back to RuSSia anytime soon... lol

He wouldn`t even if Russia became second Germany. I mean old Eastern Germany, of course. :):):)

Novichok
6 Oct 2023  #3100

My genial Math professor in high school even ended up in a mental institution for 3 month treatment.

...because you drove him nuts...

let's not forget that geniuses are very often unappreciated

I am still waiting for the Nobel Prize in Mathematics for my Z-P=0, the formula that has its Pulitzer-candidate prose:

Only morons die for bullsh*it aka democracy.

Novichok
7 Oct 2023  #3101

Let's look at the war through the eyes of a Ukrainian man who was sent to the front yesterday after hugging his sobbing wife and crying kids. Now he is sitting in a muddy trench, wondering if he will see them again.

What exactly would you tell him why he is here? Please don't forget that he just saw a couple of his buddies in pieces and is still close to vomiting.

Don't give me any lofty speeches, quotes from Paulina's Civics manuals, or any other sh*it you have for us here about F-16 and Leopards.

Speak to him directly. He has your full attention.

Crnogorac3
7 Oct 2023  #3102

We already know, however, it doesn't hurt to repeat

Staggering losses in Ukraine: "Of every 100 people mobilized last fall, 10-20 remain, the rest are dead, wounded and incapacitated. This was stated by the head of the Poltava Regional TsK. According to him, Poltava is in last place in the region in terms of recruitment rates - it has fulfilled the General Staff plan by only 13%."

twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1703021253425021061

strana.today/news/445457-nachalnik-poltavskoho-ttsk-rasskazal-o-situatsii-s-mobilizatsiej-v-svoem-okruhe.html

Alien
7 Oct 2023  #3103

wondering if he will see them again.

I would tell him that he is sitting in these trenches so that he can see his wife and children once again alive, and not raped and torn to pieces by russian scoundrels. And that this is the real goal of this war, a defensive war. Don't worry Novi, it always works and gets better with each russian you destroy.

mafketis
7 Oct 2023  #3104

Speak to him directly. He has your full attention.

Great job so far! Kill more russians!

amiga500
7 Oct 2023  #3105

. Sorry, but I am not going to let Blackrock and others make all the money.

Goddam, Now I want to come to Poland and work with you to help rebuild Ukraine.

Plausible reason why Germany is scared/hesitant to supply Ukr with the Taurus cruise missiles. Unlike the Brit Storm Shadow, the Taurus longer range and tandem warhead is perfect for taking down the Kerch Bridge.

"This spooks the German leadership, because we know that this bridge is not only a bridge but also a monument for Russia's pride and Putin's personal achievement. It is far more than only a military target, it is a symbol of this (fascist) Russia and having it destroyed by a German-made missile would create a profound blow in the information space. You can imagine the news headers in Russia and worldwide. It would be epic"

twitter.com/Tendar/status/1709670694139711722

Crnogorac3
7 Oct 2023  #3106

Always an objective fellow...

youtu.be/OsYtZCLBO9k

The largest percentage of losses, in that silly offensive, the Kiev regime had in those pockets in Zaporizhia.
Orahova, Rabotino, Verbove... a semi-encirclement where the Russians let them jump in and again built a mill.

What and how next? Sanctions that the West introduced to Russia (on which they relied a lot) had a miserable effect, at least when it comes to Russia. The EU already has a much harder time bearing them, and it is falling like a stone. Everything they need, Russia has at home, the EU does not.

I don't see what Zelensky can hope for, his army is largely "demilitarized", the state is empty, broken and beaten up. Maybe the West will send its army? They won't.

They would go to Serbia or similar, but not to Russia. Too dangerous for them.
And frankly, with the exception of the Poles, they don't even have an army. All this is more or less "make-up" or "make-belief", as the Western elites are accustomed for decades to be beating up on those far weaker than themselves. Zelensky's proxies were the best they had. At least the first two, three waves... They would be even better if the West did not train them. 😁

Crnogorac3
7 Oct 2023  #3107

youtu.be/qvxpmqy2VjI

V. Putin: "It is possible to destroy, but it is impossible to crush and subjugate the Serbs"

Novichok
7 Oct 2023  #3108

I would tell him that he is sitting in these trenches so that he can see his wife and children once again alive

He was already where he could protect them - at home. What sense does it make to leave and protect them from a distance?

Also, for your justification to make sense, the UA would have to kill a lot of Russians. The problem is that as of now, the kill ratio is 10 to 1 in Russia's favor.

My math says that Ukraine will be out of Ukrainians before Russia is out of Russians, rapists included.

You have to come up with a better story for that poor Ukrainian sob in a muddy hole and a life expectancy of four hours.

Russia has at home, the EU does not.

Russia has food and oil. The EU has pride flags and migrants. I don't see a problem...

Novichok
7 Oct 2023  #3109

it destroyed by a German-made missile

German stupidity and obedience to the DC scum is astounding.
How is "Fu*ck off, a-holes" in German?

Alien
7 Oct 2023  #3110

@Novichok

How is "Fu*ck off, a-holes

"Hau ab, Arschlöcher"

Novichok
7 Oct 2023  #3111

Thanks. It's "Get lost, a$$holes" in English. Not as elegant as my version but good enough.

Now send it to the White House at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Swamptown, USA.

Alien
7 Oct 2023  #3112

Get lost,

In my opinion, "get lost" is not an accurate translation of hau ab. We have to ask BB.

Novichok
7 Oct 2023  #3113

I yield to your expertise.
Google Translate wanted to be polite since it was meant for Biden.

Alien
7 Oct 2023  #3114

The problem is that as of now, the kill ratio is 10 to 1 in Russia's favor.

This is unlikely. Even in WW2, the ratio of Russians to Germans killed was 7:1. But this was only because the Russians did not spare their soldiers. The Ukrainians learned their military tactics from the best Western advisors. And this tactic involves saving combat power. That's one of the reasons why their offensive is slow.

GefreiterKania
7 Oct 2023  #3115

So many rockets falling on Israeli heads (about 5000 according to some sources). Maybe Germany will want reconsider buying this "Iron Dome" thingy. Apparently 200 rockets can overload the ID system.

tech.wp.pl/ogromny-atak-hamasu-na-izrael-rakiety-z-rur-kanalizacyjnych-vs-zelazna-kopula,6949584969599616a

Bobko
7 Oct 2023  #3116

So many rockets falling on Israeli heads

Civilian drones dropping mortar rounds into tanks, have also made an appearance. I think Hamas was watching Ukraine closely for lessons.

Novichok
7 Oct 2023  #3117

The Ukrainians learned their military tactics from the best Western advisors.

Those who won in Afghanistan or some other war - like the war on poverty?

mafketis
7 Oct 2023  #3118

Ukrainians learned their military tactics from the best Western advisors

No. The only really useful things westerners have taught them are the specifics of using particular weapons... in terms of tactics they've worked out those by themselves....

I think Hamas was watching Ukraine closely

Not today Ivan... russia is one of hamas's biggest allies.

twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1710666301666894059

Bobko
7 Oct 2023  #3119

Not today Ivan... russia is one of hamas's biggest allies.

This is Russia's fault too?

I read, already, in Western press - how this is an Iranian/Russian operation to dilute aid to Ukraine, and torpedo any potential agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Sure. Ok.

It's not because 2 million Gazans live in a little walled ghetto, where the Jews humiliate them every which way they can.

mafketis
7 Oct 2023  #3120

2 million Gazans live in a little walled ghetto

Their choice. Palestinians don't want peace unless it's the result of a crushing military victory of Israel and they drive the Jews into the sea... they're very clear about that.

What is Israel supposed to do? Hug them?


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