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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3331

How many men is Ukraine making a week?

On the other hand, I just read that the Russians stopped making things that go boom and converted their arms factories into refugee shelters.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3332

Ukraine's top spy admits counteroffensive failure
Ukraine's forces have fallen "out of schedule," according to Kiev's Main Intelligence Directorate chief, Kirill Budanov


Mr. Budanov, you are badly misinformed. Call Mr. Tacitus for the latest truth.

Tacitus
14 Oct 2023  #3333

How many men is Ukraine making a week?

Evidently at a better ratio than the Russian shell production.

If the West keeps supporting Ukraine, Russia will loose. Especially if Russia keeps on repeating the same mistakes and throws its' soldiers and equipment away.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3334

Evidently at a better ratio than the Russian shell production.

They still need 14 years from the day they hatch to be useful for a couple of hours at the front.
In the meantime, you are free to volunteer. As a "surrender boy" and a coward, I am not going to.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3335

If the West keeps supporting Ukraine,

Smart with that "if"...Our problem is that our money printing machines are out of ink and tend to overheat. How are yours?

Ooops...I forgot that you are not doing very well lately...Quoting:

Now, Germany is the world's worst-performing major developed economy, with both the International Monetary Fund and European Union expecting it to shrink this year.

So, is Germany included in "the West" or does "the West" mean the US and me?

Korvinus
14 Oct 2023  #3336

Pro-west gov in Ukr mean NATO bases near Kharkov,

Reality of matters when you're not longer fu*cked by USSR and its completely retarded 'real socialism' economic system.

Every country that left the Russian sphere of influence greatly benefitted as a result. It's not surprising these countries decided to join NATO in order to secure their gains and make sure Russians never return.

mafketis
14 Oct 2023  #3337

are only so many men left to fight for Z and my zero.

whereas there is an unlimited number of russian men willing to die for your zero....

Every country that left the Russian sphere of influence greatly benefitted as a result

Quite.

novichok's zero isn't zero after all..... russia is a poison that destroys all who embrace it

Tacitus
14 Oct 2023  #3338

.I forgot that you are not doing very well lately...Quoting:

The German parliament has already approved funds for Ukraine for the next 4 years. It is only a small part of our budget and a pittance compared to what we would have to spend on deterrence if Russia. Much cheaper to enable the Ukrainians to break thr back of the Russian army for us.

Thankfully that logic is persuasive enough to keep the US on board as well.

Korvinus
14 Oct 2023  #3339

"the West" mean the US and me?

Because the Americans are the ones who went around dismantling every European empire except for Russia so they have to take some responsibility for the situation they created.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3340

Let me again explain my Z-P=0.

A Ukrainian guy who is married, has two kids and a job doesn't give a flying fvck if the top guy is pro-Russia or anti-Russia. Nothing in his life has changed after that bs 2014 "revolution". Now Russia wants to restore a Russia-friendly top to what it was before 2014 and my Ukrainian guy is told that this is worth dying for.

How is leave me fvcking alone in Ukrainian?

Because the Americans

Americans have responsibility for nothing. WW1, WW2, 1917, 1956, 1968, 2014, and 2022 were your business. GFY!

Korvinus
14 Oct 2023  #3341

How is leave me fvcking alone in Ukrainian?

Yes but that's simply American isolationism in a nutshell. We have such people in all countries. "what do I care about Ukrainians?" "what do I care about xxx-ians?!?" they only live in the present and care about nothing but their own country

And there are reasonable points to it too. Since WW2 the USA has an absolutely astronomic military budget that to a large degree is used to help countries in other continents sort out their sh*it.

First they helped the Germans and the Japanese become decent countries again. Then they helped Korea. They also tried to help Cuba, Vietnam and others. They saved Kuwait from Iraq and Afghanistan from the worst forms of Islamism. And btw they also tried to restore order in the greatest sh*ithole Somalia and in 1999 they ended the mess in Yugoslavia, which Europe hadnt been unable to for almost a decade.

All this while there are homeless people and analphabets and people living in trailer parks or working 3 jobs. America could use all that money to help their own instead they try, often very haphazardly, to restore a modicum of sanity and relatively stable future all over the world.

mafketis
14 Oct 2023  #3342

A Ukrainian guy who is married, has two kids and a job doesn't give a flying fvck if the top guy is pro-Russia or anti-Russia.

A rusian guy who is married, has two kids and a job doesn't give a flying fvkc if the top guy in a neighboring country is pro-russia or anti-russia..... is that really worth dying for?

What is wrong with russia that he'd rather die than protest against a government that sends him into battle for such a stupid reason?

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3343

Yes but that's simply American isolationism in a nutshell.

Don't wiggle. My guy doesn't even know or care where "America" is. Speak to him and tell him what is worth dying for in this bloody mess, not to me about the history of mankind.

He doesn't give a damn about any of that. He wants his next paycheck and everybody close to him alive and happy.
So save your history lessons for somebody who gives a damn.

mafketis
14 Oct 2023  #3344

tell him what is worth dying for in this bloody mess

Tell russians why they should be happy to be killed in Ukraine..... I've yet to hear anything remotely resembling a coherent explanation of how russian rule over any part of Ukraine is worth hundreds of thousands of russian lives....

I realize russians have a collective death wish but still.... they can just kill each other rather than trying to destroy a country that wants to live.

russian volunteer says they have an urgent need for body bags in Donetsk.... also asks for food (canned so it can't be poisoned)... sounds totally worth it for russia.....

twitter.com/victoriaslog/status/1713191840059388110

Korvinus
14 Oct 2023  #3345

He doesn't give a damn about any of that.

Somehow they do give a damn. Or they would have surrender already.
Yeah, don't fight Ukrainians, it will be better for everyone if you just lay down arms and accept your fate.

Where have I heard that before?
If you call for peace, remember to address the aggressor first. You know, the one who started the damned thing.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3346

Yeah, don't fight Ukrainians, it will be better for everyone if you just lay down arms and accept your fate.

Hey, stupid, English comprehension problems or you just don't read what you don't like...

What was their fate with a Russia-friendly top guy before the revolution? Going to work everyday? That fate? What evidence do you have that their "fate" would be any different if Russia installed a Russia-friendly top dog? Zero evidence. Zero difference. Hence, Z-P=0 and I am a genius waiting for the Nobel Prize for Peace.

While we are on "fate"...What is the fate of those who surrendered to the Russians? My guess is they are playing chess with their Russian guards and laughing their asses off in "captivity".

Would you like to see a video of how they decided to follow my math and give up?

mafketis
14 Oct 2023  #3347

.What is the fate of those who surrendered to the Russians?

Ukraine gives the international red cross access to russian pow's

russia does not give the international red cross to Ukrainian pow's

twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1710243233001857031

torture of Ukrainians in russian captivity confirmed....

twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1709876445692952956

me = 893 / novi = 0

(893 times I've whipped your @ss in producing facts against your unhinged babbling)

Korvinus
14 Oct 2023  #3348

What is the fate of those who surrendered to the Russians? My guess is they are playing chess with the Russian guards and laughing

Well, seeing what Russian animals did in Bucha you'd conclude being in Ukrainian army is more safe that being a civilian on the Russia occupied territory..

When Russians did not manage to beat Ukrainian army around Kyiv, they ran like bit*ches, murdering civilians on the way.

mafketis
14 Oct 2023  #3349

most russian thing ever?

Let's go to Khaborovsk technical college.... a teacher and student are in the hall discussing a class project.... and suddenly a sewer pipe bursts and they are covered in feces....

t.me/readovkanews/67769

Kind of a metaphor for the whole country.... try to go about your business and official incompetence and corruption turn your life into sh1t....

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3350

you'd conclude being in Ukrainian army is more safe that being a civilian on the Russia occupied territory..

Your English comprehension is not your only problem. Understanding numbers is worse. 500,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers vs. 10,000 dead Ukrainian civilians as proof how nice Russians are.

I know that both numbers are correct because Z, UN, DC, and NATO do not say they are not correct.
So until you replace those two numbers with a better pair, I am going to ignore your adjectives, rectal data, and speculations.

youtu.be/ePTcQIGbifo

Tacitus
14 Oct 2023  #3351

500,000 dead Ukrainian

As a consequence, do you really believe that 500k + Russian soldiers have been killed so far?

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3352

I am an atheist and the word "believe" is not in my lexicon. I deleted it years ago.

do you really believe that 500k + Russian soldiers have been killed so far?

Call the US Department of Defense. They should know. Or Mr. Z. He would be screaming from the tallest building in Kiev if that number was correct.

Korvinus
14 Oct 2023  #3353

10,000 dead Ukrainian civilians as proof how nice Russians are

Novichok you have no idea how much this post makes clear to me how you are still very much influenced by that Soviet education system and indoctrination you received

No, its not normal to eat people, to torture people and to behead people in times of war. These are called war crimes. And my hope is one day you will realize this

While we're at it, there is another thing related to war in Ukraine. Russian invasion. Everything bad that happens to Russians in Ukraine is the result of the fact they're invaders. In other words...

Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

Tacitus
14 Oct 2023  #3354

On which source do you base your 500k dead Ukrainian soldiers? A few weeks ago you cited a source with 350k dead Ukrainian (and 500k dead Russian soldiers)? Since then an additional 150k Ukrainian are supposed to have died?

Let us be real here, the scale of the fighting simply does not support such casualties.

It is probably around 100-150k dead Ukrainians and 150-200k dead Russians.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3355

that Soviet education system and indoctrination you received

My war education came from the US.

Iraq - 300,000 civilians dead. Not nice. Ukraine - 10,000 civilians dead. 30 times less not nice.

PolAmKrakow
14 Oct 2023  #3356

@Tacitus
The US is not on board. The Republican far right will be running congress soon, and with that you will have reduced funding and some sources completely elimintated. Get caught up with the news. I am telling you time is running out for Ukraine. 15 months and that is being generous.

amiga500
14 Oct 2023  #3357

15 months and that is being generous.

That is being quite generous. end of european winter and they'll make em negotiate. this thing from an american context is becoming a distraction. esp with that isr/gaza massacre coming up, not to mention usa internal problems.

Novichok
14 Oct 2023  #3358

Hey, Mr. T, read 3359 and 3360 and wise up. You are annoying.

Tacitus
14 Oct 2023  #3359

@Novichok

I'd be less annoying if your posts stood up to scrutiny.

15 months and that is being generous.

Provided of course the Democrats do not win the election.

And even then, European defence companies are steadily increasing their production. Even if the USA cuts all support by 2025, we might be able to keep Ukraine afloat.

Things would get tougher for Ukraine, but Russian losses might be severe enough at this point to offset the end of American support.

Crnogorac3
14 Oct 2023  #3360

👍 Russia blows away more US/UK NATObot 'advisors'

youtu.be/nUUkEBHzg7Q

NATO instructors eliminated by Russian troops in Ukraine. US+UK, NATO advisors killed in a strike.

Kharkov cafe struck by Russians was another mercenary gathering spot

youtu.be/qcZNYMJTzdo

Facts revealed! Russian strike on cafe of Groza in Kharkiv


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