Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

The ruble lost its value.

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 23, 2023

Serbian president Aleksandar Vučić, addressing the citizens of Serbia, reflected on the talks in Athens, as well as the meeting with Volodymyr Zelensky.



President Vučić emphasized that the most important topic for him was the discussion about Kosovo and Metohija situation.

Speaking about the declaration informally adopted in Athens, Vučić stated that no informal dinner can change anything, but it can indicate what thoughts and relationships are like. He emphasized that the discussions lasted for days before the meeting.

"We received the first version, and we had objections to it. One article was removed, which concerned sanctions against Russia," said Vučić, adding that "under very difficult conditions, we managed to secure an approach that is best for Serbia."

About the conversation with Zelensky and the statements by Viola von Cramon:

Vučić responded to a question about Viola von Cramon, who said, "Vučić pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Athens and blackmailed him not to recognize Kosovo, in exchange for selling him weapons."

"All of you are satisfied with the way Serbia behaved, and then comes Viola von Cramon, after whose words everything becomes clear... She should explain to us that we don't need lithium, she fights for an independent Kosovo, and she said that Serbia is a global leader exerting pressure on Ukraine, if it weren't sad, it would be funny, but that speaks to the extent of her hatred towards Serbia. I talked to Zelensky about everything, about the war in Ukraine, about Kosovo and Metohija, territorial integrity... Zelensky looks out for Ukraine's position, he knows his job. We had a decent conversation, unfortunately, I didn't mention von Cramon, but I will next time."

About the arrest of Vladimir Putin:

President of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić also addressed allegations that he supported the arrest of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"We agreed that war crimes and other atrocities must not go unpunished. Whom are you kidding, liars? Where does it say 'Putin, Russia'?... Is there anyone sane who wouldn't accept this? But we lie and keep lying and don't care. Is there anyone sane in the world who wouldn't sign this? You have something in the drafts that wasn't adopted. People who have been targeting me for days to impose sanctions on Russia, for me not to meet with Putin but with Zelensky, they tell me this. Is there any ideology here?" said Vučić.

About pressure and sanctions against Russia and the request for a UN Security Council session:

"We will request a UN Security Council session because of the events in Kosovo, I won't explain, we'll choose the best moment, like when someone presides, we'll ask for it soon," he said, and added, "Every day they ask me to impose sanctions on Russia, there's not a day someone hasn't told me this: It's time for Serbia to change its stance."

About sanctions against Russia:

"Every day they ask me to impose sanctions on Russia, it's been going on for a year and a half. If you think it will be easy, no... The situation on the Ukrainian front, unless there are major events in Moscow and Kyiv, the situation won't change soon. Every day you have somebody speaking on some TV channel saying 'Vučić, impose sanctions on Russia because Serbia is suffering'."

Fake news.
You messed up a bit and went too far ahead of yourself, boyo, the cemetery will remain, but it will take on a new look, it will be leveled, concreted and black pyramids will be placed.

US 'cynically' using children - Russia
Russia has accused the US of "cynically" using children to settle geopolitical scores after the White House announced sanctions on a youth summer camp in Crimea.

I have an idea...The US should drop cluster bombs on that summer camp. That will teach 'em, bastards...Summer camp when there is war going on nearby...How low can those evil Russians fall...

In the democratic US, children are free to spend their times on the street, use drugs and go to prison. In Russia, they go to summer camps in Crimea and Siberia to interact with each others and learn skills and be indoctrinated that there are only two genders. Can you imagine THAT? Just two...Those poor Russians can't afford more...

And even out of this two, that poor people can have only one... ;)

@Bratwurst Boy


It probably slowly sinks in that no matter the war goes from now on, Russia will be in no state afterwards to assist Serbia in any meaningful capacity.

russsian neo-nazi responsible for many deaths in Ukraine arrested in Finland....

his neo-nazi group (rusich) is upset and went on strike...

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1695018702578524457


who gonna pay for it?

US lawmakers rail against more Ukraine aid - Politico

At least two US lawmakers have objected to earmarking additional funds to support Ukraine, arguing that Washington has failed to articulate a clear strategy in the conflict, Politico reported on Friday, citing a draft letter.

I can articulate a strategy so clearly that even Biden will understand:

We will support Ukraine for as long as it takes and spend as much as we can print. Or till the last Polish "volunteer" is in a body bag.

Simple, isn't it?

Is this some sick joke, they are moving Orthodox crosses and placing pyramids, and they are black, a typical Masonic symbol, without religious symbols. Freemasonry x 2.

Really, what Christian would die lying under a pyramid without any religious symbol, from a distance you would think it was some kind of Soviet memorial cemetery.

This without the pyramids and with the pyramids speaks of the state of Christianity in Russia.
Russia, defender of Christianity, marriage and family, which normally has no real Christians, but that is why it has the highest divorce rate in the world. Abortions too.

Neither information is correct.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_abortion_statistics

Russia is successfully regressing in terms of the number of abortions, i.e. is improving

calculate the number of divorces per 1000 but it does not make sense, it is necessary to count the number of divorces on the number of marriages.

in many countries people don't get married at all, but live wildly and break up every now and then.

in such countries, the number of divorces per 1,000 is very low, simply because you can't get a divorce from something that hasn't even taken place.

for example Luxembourg, Portugal and Spain have a higher divorce rate:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

only because fewer and fewer women are getting pregnant.... haven't you noticed what russia has been doing to its breeding age males (that is.... getting them killed in Ukraine).


We know they're throwing away the crosses and flowerss... there's no real information on what will take their place, just a fake picture....


Finally! You are on the right side! Slava Ukrajini!

I have given you the real data, today, Russia has a lower abortion rate than the USA and a number of European countries.

Now do preganancy rate (or fertility rate by ethnicity or 'nationality' as they call it in russia).

These are serious allegations. The character is the former Chief Prosecutor of Ukraine and probably knows what he is talking about. Shouldn't Joe get criminal charges for this after his term ends?

Former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin said in an interview with Fox News that Joe and Hunter Biden received bribes from Ukraine.

The White House called these claims false and "repeatedly refuted them."

In an interview, Shokin, who led the investigation into Burisma, the company Hunter worked for when Biden was the vice president, said he lost his job under pressure from Washington.

"I don't want to deal with unproven facts, but my firm personal belief is that this was the case," he added. "They were bribed. And the fact that Joe Biden gave a billion dollars in American money in exchange for my dismissal, me getting fired - isn't that just a case of corruption?"

...but our Bolsheviks are not capable of shame.

Bidens are as likely to see the walls of a federal prison as Putin spending one day at the Hague.

350,000 Ukrainians are dead.
14,000,000 Ukrainians left the country.
The probability of Ukraine getting C, D, and L back in this century - less than .00000001.

Fu*cking brilliant...

You are looking in wrong direction....

Germany is in azzhole, and many big businesses fleeing to US (reindustrialisation is a must, before war with China for asian markets). Arsenals is nearly empty, and US taxpayers will have to pay to MIC for years to refill them. Russia is busy fighting with ukis, and there is always a lot of polish cannon fodder if needed (they even pay for military toys from their own budget, frajerzy)...

Really Fu*cking brilliant at a first view... But now is time for a second view... ;)

Polish?

The problem is, Velund, that Russia doesn't have enough cannon fodder. The times when you could throw waves after waves of infantry at your enemies are over.

You have population lower than Java Island and a huge country not only to defend but first and foremost to populate and maintain.

With low birthrates and massive emigration, throwing thousands of men to their deaths is the last thing Russia should be doing, but I understand that the situation in Ukraine is complicated.

That's why Russian patriots should push towards Sarkozy solution: internationally recognized referenda in various Ukrainian regions - to justly divide the lands according to majority of population (like in Kosovo) - instead of phantasizing about war against a NATO country.

....not from a position of weakness, Torqi!

When Russia plans such knowing it will otherwise surely lose, everybody else will know it too...and never in history has a loser of an initiated military conflict gained territory! *shrugs*

And that Ukraine will accept such a compromise just for peace is doubtful...would Poles?

That's true. Russia would have to gain some visible victories for it to happen.


The difference is, BB, that Poland doesn't hold or claim any territories with Polish minority. Even Silesia and Kashubia have overwhelming Polish majorities. Can Ukraine say the same about Crimea or Donbass?

....they probably will let them chose....move out our assimilate and become Ukrainians!

The baltic countries have a similiar situation with their Russians...they will have to assimiliate in time too.

(I wonder how the GDR avoided that situation....to move ethnicities aka plant loyalists deep in difficult foreign territories to gain influence and change politics was a longstanding modus operandi by Moscow)

Were Albanians in Kosovo told: "move out or assimilate and become Serbians"?

It's a tricky situation, BB, and the sh*t there has potential to hit an even larger fan. :-/

Absolutely! Ethnic conflicts are the worst....

@Novichok


How many dead Russians in your opinion?

berliner-zeitung.de/news/gegenoffensive-ukraine-bestaetigt-geheimes-treffen-mit-nato-generaelen-li.382782

Ukraine confirmed that a secret meeting with senior NATO officials on the strategy of the counter-offensive took place on the Ukrainian-Polish border. ...

Something is brewing!

....The aim of the five-hour meeting was to help reset Ukraine's military strategy - top of the agenda was what to do about the halting progress of Ukraine's counteroffensive, along with battle plans for the gruelling winter ahead plus longer-term strategy as the war inevitably grinds into 2024.

Particularly notable was the presence not just of Nato's military chief, the American Gen Christopher Cavoli, but also Adm Sir Tony Radakin, Britain's most senior military officer, who is now acknowledged in Washington and Kyiv as an increasingly important actor in helping Ukraine overcome the Russian invaders.

Nor was it the first such conversation....

theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/26/how-uk-military-chief-became-key-nato-liaison-in-ukraine-tony-radakin

I do wonder what kind of insights Western generals can give Ukrainians though (aside from intelligence reports). The Ukrainians are forced to conduct an offensive no Western military has any experience with: Against a numerical superior foe without air superiority.

Admiral Radakin does after all lead the best trained armed forces in the world and certainly Europe's leading army. General Cavoli is far from inexperienced in the matters of both strategy and tactics too.


I'm sure they've taken this into account.

L-39 Jet Trainer



On August 26, 2023, the Ukrainian Air Force reported that JUICE was killed on August 25, 2023 in a collision between two L-39 combat training aircraft in the Zhytomyr region, Ukraine.

"We are sad to announce that on August 25, 2023, a terrible plane crash occurred in the Zhytomyr region. During the performance of a combat mission, the crews of two L-39 combat training aircraft collided in the sky, "the message says.

"All three pilots, unfortunately, died. The investigation is ongoing. Among the dead is a well-known pilot of the 40th Tactical Aviation Brigade with the callsign JUICE.

us.firenews.video/culture-and-trends/who-is-andrei-juice-fighter-pilshchikov-and-how-did-he-die/

Well, I'd argue that spot belongs to the French army given their size and experience, but that is not really my point. The generals may have theoretical knowledge but they never conducted a war in similar circumstances. Which is something that Ukrainians are known to (justifiably) complain about. It is hardly the first time generals struggle to adapt to the changing nature of warfare.

And lack of general success and range of skill. I'd say their experience is restricted too, and the size of their army is more of a drawback to them than any benefit.The only actual 'success' I can think of that they've had in decades I'd the sinking of an unarmed Greenpeace ship while in harbour in New Zealand.


Their practical skills are very wide-ranging, both in strategy and tactics.