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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



mafketis
27 Aug 2023  #931

Denis Zakharov, a rare, honorable Russian says something that I realized very early on..... russians hate their soldiers (doesn't matter what war, they hate them....)

twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1695811379905585387

Tacitus
27 Aug 2023  #932

The only actual 'success' I can think of that they've had in decades

They have at least some experience in operating independently while the British militarily is usually restricted to a junior partner role for the US military.

and the size of their army is more of a drawback

Lack of size is certainly a drawback as well. An army that is unable to field a single armoured division can hardly be called a leading army.

gbnews.com/news/british-army-facing-untenable-future-and-cannot-field-single-armoured-division-in-europe-amid-ukraine-war/325780

For now the French are strongest military force in Europe, perhaps to be replaced by Poland in the future.

jon357
27 Aug 2023  #933

They have at least some experience in operating independently

Hardly. Mostly small numbers of them in the desert watching others operate. On the (few and isolated) situations where they've been forced to act alone, the outcome has invariably been an embarrassment to them

while the British militarily is usually restricted to a junior

Except that is not of course true.

For now the French are strongest military force in Europe

No, they aren't, and although the two armies (and navies and airforces) do cooperate extensively, in training, efficiency and quality, Britain's is certainly the leader.

Crnogorac3
27 Aug 2023  #934

FORMER UKRAINIAN ATTORNEY GENERAL: Biden gave a billion dollars for my dismissal

foxnews.com/politics/former-ukraine-prosecutor-makes-explosive-claims-joe-hunter-biden-new-interview

Novichok
27 Aug 2023  #935

"All three pilots, unfortunately, died.

Why "unfortunately"? They were trained to kill. Fewer pilots, fewer dead people.

Korvinus
27 Aug 2023  #936

twitter.com/astraiaintel/status/1695774263834292397

I think cautious optimism is more than warranted. There are a multitude of good indicators that Ukraine has achieved what they have been trying to set up these last 2 months.

1.) Depending on the map, Ukraine is already at or has even begun breaching the second line, although where it is closest to the first. The Russian defenses don't really form exactly into 3 distinct and totally separate lines. And it took them about a week or so after breaching the first line in force, so the second line, as expected, is not nearly as strong as the first line. Ukraine has been making meaningful advances in the area for more than a week straight now. Primarily because:

2.) Many of Russian units defending that area are heavily degraded. They have been fighting for months without rotation, and have been forced out of strong defensive positions. A sign of this is that Ukrainians are reporting encountering and fighting logistics units. It is unlikely that Ukraine has penetrated to Russia's operational rear (we would see a lot larger and more rapid gains if that were true), but it does mean that some Russian units are having to use their support units to hold the line at places due to too many of their combat line units being too degraded to fight effectively. Also, that Russian forces are getting stretched because:

3.) Russia's operational reserve appears to be depleted. All the reinforcements we have seen in Ukraine on the Russian side recently have been lateral transfers of units from one front/battle to another. In particular Russia's firefighting units (not literal firefighting, but those sent to the hot spots to try to contain the situation) the VDV.

Russia defenses haven't collapsed in the area and Ukraine hasn't broken through, but the more degraded Russian defenders are and the more Ukraine is able to force them backwards, the more quickly Ukraine is going to be able to degrade them further, or even get the chance to destroy some of them. And that can easily lead to a breakthrough.

If Russia doesn't move significant forces to reinforce that area, Ukraine is probably getting pretty close to an actual breakthrough. Russia still has the option of laterally transferring large numbers from other areas, but at the cost of weakening the Russian forces/defenses at those places. Which could lead to interesting developments in those places.

Although, there is still the question of how much does Ukraine have left in reserve to exploit a breakthrough. All of the 12 new spearhead/breakthrough units Ukraine had formed have already been committed to battle, but Ukraine still has other reserves. The Offensive Guard (8-9 brigades, or about a corps) has not been seen much yet, and the length of the offensive so far has provided enough time for some of the Ukrainian units involved in defending Bakhmut, and other areas, to have rested, refitted, and retrained. So Ukraine may still have quite a bit left to exploit a breakthrough, even if it is probably more motorized and light infantry than mechanized.

I would note that despite Russian claims, the 12 brigades Ukraine formed to lead the offensive are also not destroyed or out of action either. If the 47th Brigade, which had a not that great first week and has been doing much of the heavy work breaching the first defensive line near Robotyne, is still in the fight and hasn't had to rotate off the line yet (although some of their battalions may have had to rotate off the line), their losses aren't anywhere near as severe as Russia try to claim. If their claims of Ukrainian losses were true the 47th should have been annihilated several times over.

That is why I think there is a lot of room for cautious optimism here.

mafketis
27 Aug 2023  #937

They were trained to kill. Fewer pilots

So you want fewer russian pilots.... what about russian soldiers brought specifically to Ukraine to kill? The fewer of them the fewer deaths happening in Ukraine....

Novichok
27 Aug 2023  #938

That is why I think there is a lot of room for cautious optimism here.

I will read your post when you make it 75% shorter.

In the meantime, whose side are you on? If NATO, why would you advise Russia on how to kill more Ukrainians? Isn't 350,000 enough - not counting permanently crippled and languishing in Ukrainian hospitals, already at capacity? Do you want more of both?

You are worse than just a common Russian troll.

Novichok
27 Aug 2023  #939

Sisters detained in Kiev for twerking on dead soldiers' graves

There is something about women I don't like...

Ok, I got it...They are morons.

mafketis
27 Aug 2023  #940

Sisters detained in Kiev

Kyiv.

And kind of a nothing burger. Misguided teens visiting the grave of their father murdered by the russians you admire so much with a misguided idea of honoring him.

Teens have a bad idea... hold the presses it's the scandal of the century!

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #941

Russian business activity soaring
The RSBI index was well above the 50-point threshold in July, a new study shows


Eat sh*it, Russia haters.

Scholz laments the state of Germany's economy
The country has borne the brunt of a weakening global economy due to its dependence on exports, the chancellor has said


Eat more sh*it, Russia haters...

BTW, did you, Western morons, think things through before imposing those "sanctions" on Russia...or did you act in a moment of kiddie tantrum?

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #942

Now readers' comments...

Scholz, pls keep on following the orders of Uncle Sam, you'll be 'prosperous' that way. Good luck!

Olaf Scholz gets his marching order from Buyden, since he's only Buyden's LAPDOG !!!!

Scholz needs to tell the Americans to get out of Germany and make peace with Russia. But, he's spineless and Germany is going through it's second Morgenthau plan.

"Scholz laments state of Germany's economy" that he himself has ruined by doing US bidding every step of the way. Wow. This is a truly stunning display of a complete lack of self-awareness.

Memo to German PF bootlickers: At least lick German boots, not Biden's and his LGBT "generals".

Tacitus
28 Aug 2023  #943

@Novichok

You quoted recently a source that gave the number of killed Ujrainian soldiers as 345k. How many Russian soldiers have been killed according to your source?

mafketis
28 Aug 2023  #944

Interesting.... explanation of why russia is doing so badly in defense

tldr: it's the russian way

twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1696030244660990009

longer explanation: rather than use the first line to thin the advancing enemy and withdrawing to the second line (so you'll have more people against fewer people) they throw everything at the first line because withdrawing to the second line means failure....

Also interesting... negative selection in a nutshell.... everybody who had any success in Ukraine is dead or in jail or fired.... meanwhile the massive failure known as vova putain.... is still in office and still being incredibly stupid....

twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1694468840296481272

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #945

I don't care about the Russians. They are evil.
I deeply care about Ukrainians - the good guys we, Americans, support and want to fight till only one is standing. Or until our money printing presses break down.

Tacitus
28 Aug 2023  #946

I thought you like numbers and simple answers?

Your source claims that 345k Ukrainian soldiers have been killed? How many Russian soldiers have been killed?

300k? 400k? 500k?

If so then surely you would have to reevaluate your opinion on Putin, who would have managed to get twice or more Russian soldiers killed within less than 2 years than all US presidents since WWII who send US soldiers to fight and die.

Alien
28 Aug 2023  #947

345k Ukrainian soldiers have been killed?

It's probably unlikely because there would have to be about 700 of them dying a day. Not enough is going on in this war for that.

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #948

I thought you like numbers and simple answers?

Did you read this?

I don't care about the Russians. They are evil.

If so then surely you would have to reevaluate your opinion on Putin

Putin and Xi will forever be Number One and Two in my heart for the way they deal with the scourge of LGBTism.

mafketis
28 Aug 2023  #949

I thought you like numbers and simple answers?

Never ask

a woman how old she is,

a man how much he makes,

a member of Konfederacja what happened to Rover,

a supporter russia to be logical or consistent.....

I don't care about the Russians

assuming that's about russian soldiers... that's the most russian thing I've ever read of his.... russians hate and detest their soldiers and don't care how many get killed... it's different, alien culture where human life belongs to the tsar and if the tsar says you go and die at the front for no reason.... you go and die for no reason....

jon357
28 Aug 2023  #950

All U.K. flights are currently grounded (and I'd guess it affects other flights that pass over Britain) due to a complete and sudden failure of all air traffic control systems. It could of course just be a technical issue but right now, the finger point in the direction of r*SSia.

If they can break into the system there, could they do it in Poland too?

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #951

Not enough is going on in this war for that.

As a reference point, 10,000 Americans are killed every month by illegal drugs the US government deliberately allows through our borders.
That's 300 every single day...

Alien
28 Aug 2023  #952

That's 300 every single day

Yes, this is your civil war with chemical weapons.

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #953

So 700 a day with all the artillery and bombs does not look improbable. It's only 30 an hour or one every two minutes. BFD...

Tacitus
28 Aug 2023  #954

@Novichok

Did you read this?

Just give me a simple answer. How many Russians have been killed according to your source? Alternatively if you do not care to remember, could you please provide us with the source that mentions 345k dead Ukrainian soldiers, so that we might look it up ourselves?

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #955

Just give me a simple answer. How many Russians have been killed according to your source?

I am not your secretary. Google it yourself.
I already told you that I only care about "free and democratic" Ukraine.
They are so democratic, BTW, that they suspended the next elections to allow Ukraine citizens to spend more time enjoying their freedoms and democracy.
You should try this in Germany.

Novichok
28 Aug 2023  #956

Are we losing patience with this damn mess...Quoting:

US military believes Ukraine is wasting ammo - WaPo
Kiev's forces have fired some 2 million artillery rounds, exhausting Western stockpiles, according to estimates cited by the paper


The Pentagon believes that Ukrainian commanders need to alter their tactics and use artillery to hit only the most important targets, and avoid wasting ammunition, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius has said.

I have an idea...Let's ask tampons to self-identify as bullets.

Crnogorac3
28 Aug 2023  #957

WHAT A FU*KED UP WAR - 20 YO FIGHTS FOR AFU WHILE HIS FATHER FIGHTS FOR DONBASS - BOTH FROM LUGANSK

‼️The reality:
- Father fights for 🇷🇺
- Son fights for 🇺🇦
- Both are volunteers
- Both are from Luhansk

-> Families killing each other for Nuland and co ...


WATCH

bitchute.com/video/fOvPSsMXzHrZ/

ARESTOVICH ASKED - WHY AREN'T YOU AT THE FRONT?

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/uhw0Se1dQLO6/

ZELENSKY'S MOTHER PURCHASES GATED MANSION IN EGYPT FOR $5M

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/aakUBkf4gU59/

mafketis
28 Aug 2023  #958

Interesting Russian take on the reasons for the war.....

It's a bit convoluted and it makes more science if you replace 'science' with 'ideology' (because part of the point is science being replaced by ideology in both the west and rusia).

Basically the war is compared to ideologically (not scientific or rationally) motivated policy during the covid pandemic and the current pointless charge against 'climate change'...

"the division of the Soviet Union is considered in modern Russia to be the greatest historical catastrophe of the 20th century. According to the R-science, this splintering was an unnatural process forced by aggressive external capitalist forces (Soros, the US government, the British monarchy, etc.). Consequently, the R-science proves on this scientific basis that it is necessary to reverse this disintegration."

vit-r.dreamwidth.org/1192014.html

Paulina
28 Aug 2023  #959

You should try this in Germany.

Germany didn't get invaded.

US military believes Ukraine is wasting ammo - WaPo

In case someone was interested in reading the full quote:

washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/27/ukraine-counteroffensive-russia-us-support-holds/

"American commanders have long believed that the Ukrainians waste artillery fire in crushing barrages that emulate Soviet tactics*. By one U.S. estimate, the Ukrainians have fired about 2 million rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition since the war began, nearly exhausting Western stockpiles. U.S. officials urge Ukraine instead to weight its artillery fires toward the most important targets and use them to advance quickly toward their objectives.

Pentagon officials have also urged Ukraine to rely less on drones for battlefield awareness and more on ground reconnaissance forces, which can assess Russian positions better. And they have pressed Kyiv to give junior officers more latitude to exploit opportunities along the sprawling front. On all these points, U.S. officials believe the Ukrainians are responding positively. But the discussion has been prickly in recent weeks."

*It seems to me it isn't just typical for Soviet methods, btw - for example, in Afghanistan NATO soldiers had to train Afghan soldiers not to waste ammo when fighting the Taliban too.

Velund
28 Aug 2023  #960

full quote:

So, it is offered not to use ammo for counter-battery actions and to sweep mines on extensive mine fields by ground reconnaissance groups. Less survivors - less expenses later. ;)

Brzezinski said once that U.S. doesn't need more than 20 million people in Ukraine. Work is underway on that...


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