Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Stats on toilet number is true, while military production - false. Could you be a bit more cosistent?

@Tacitus
I respectfully disagree. The climate with the US population is like nothing I have seen before. Trump may well be in jail. The Democrats are making a mistake by politicizing Prosecutor Smith, a very big mistake that is motivating republicans and independents against Biden. The US is an absolute disaster economically, and socially. The people are not going to take it any more. Ukraine does not line up with US values when US citizens have a homeless epedemic that you would not believe. Ukraine does not line up with US values in spending. I go to the US every month, and all the cheer leading in Europe over the US doing everything is not well received in the US. The EU is not spending like the US and people are tired of it. The same is true in Canada. Putin knows this. Putin is hanging on and he knows what will happen. Ukraine needs to big wins in these 16 months. I agree in war its a long time, but in the voting cycle its no time at all.

Could the orcs lie less about their military failures...

The answer of course is no.

It's not quite that simple... sometimes semi-truths or even facts are slipped in, but yes, there are patterns and their announcements can be interpreted (never as simple as the surface message).

A general rule is that the better Ukraine is doing the more the shills (like Scott Ritter or that Mershsiemehsime guy) announce imminent Ukrainian defeat and/or calls for 'peace' are made through other russian servants (like Orban).

When russia is advancing it's much quieter.....

Is this the whole US would you say? Are there any rays of hope in some places, for example in red states?

Impossible. It is utterly exhausted. That will be greater disaster for US than Vietnam and Afghanistan combined. US will barely survive this failure.

I've noticed that too. And it's perfectly mirrored on newspaper BTL fields and to an extent here too.

On the BTL fields, the ones with fake English names and English at the level of 'constantine k' or 'velund' pretty well all have a daily script that they have to stick to. Sometimes it's quite transparent since they all appear at the same time of day when their shift starts and all vanish at the same time of day when it ends.


They are mostly the poorer ones, and in any case, a wise politician there or anywhere else follows the advice of their generals,

@PolAmKrakow


That was certainly true for the first year of the war, but by now Europe including the UK are spending more on Ukraine than the US (and that is excluding costs for e.g. refugees).

app.23degrees.io/view/5V9AdDpw1pmLxo1e-bar-stacked-horizontal-figure-1_csv

It will be interesting to see the next update of the Kiel Support tracker in 2 days.

As for American interests and fighting homelessness.... Sure, the US could spend the money on fighting homelessness. I would argue though that spending money on the welfare state is not exactly the norm in the USA and even of it was, there would be a lot of things the USA spends money on ineffectively that should be cut first before arguably the most efficient use of ressources in US foreign policy im the last 70+ years.

quote]US will barely survive this failure[/quote]
Kiev could fall tomorrow yet the USA would still have succeeded in severely weakening Russia. The best Russia can hope for is a very, very costly Pyrrhic victory.

Highly doubtful taking into account those astronomical sums the US gov is spending on the war which is already lost for the Ukraine and the US. I would rather suggest that this war is like Balkans wars before WW1, i.e. just first tremblings before the real quake. Under this view Russia is just preparing itself for the future conflict by developing military production and training its army. US is spending its reserves and will come to this conflict in bad shape.

If anything, that's the complete opposite of the truth.

And of course WWI didn't end well at all for r*SSia.

It depends.... Russian Revolution was ginormous and beneficial for Russia

It wasn't though, was it...

One set of vile autocrats swapped for another and not a sniff of democracy or prosperity in sight.

Biased opinion of a man who has no understanding of Russian history

The US has spent around 70bn on the war, a paltry sum relatively to its' size which it is likely to recuperate through additional weapon sales to its' partners. Russia is spending more than that directly on the war per year, despite its' economy being only a fraction of the size. Not to mention the many, many negative long-term consequences of the war for Russia.

Actually they have already spent 150 bln. Well, perhaps150 bln may be insignificant sum, provided you have it. US has 30+ trillion debt and this means they do not have these 150 bln.

So you say. I'd add that you perhaps have even less since you're still trying to pretend that the Katyń crime was Germany rather than r*SSia.

Now you got it

You can't pull the wool over people with your orc lies. It doesn't work here.

There is not the slightest shadow of doubt that r*SSia was entirely responsible.

However you're just trying to deflect (as you so often do) from r*SSia's current dire predicament...

@ConstantineK
You sir are delusional. The US will not only survive, but when it spends this money at home it will thrive. China cant even catch the US economy now with their population shrink.

@Tacitus
The US has spent more than 110 Billion on ukraine. That money used at home not only solves homeless problems, but solves the border problems and pays down the deficit. These are the issues that the US citizens are concerned with.

I am a realist, not a follower like so many here. Both sides need to open their eyes. This war will end in 16 months or so, one way or another. The US gave enough, and if Europe matched then maybe this would be over. But Europe did not, they never have and never will. That my friends is the real issue for Americans. American people are tired of paying for everyone elses freedoms while Americans go hungry and cant pay their bills.

You think Americans are going to support new roads and highways in Ukraine when American infrastructure is literally falling apart? Anyone thinking this has no clue about what is going on in the US and needs to stop watching MSNBC online. All good things come to an end. The end of the American gravy train is coming, and Europe needs to prepare for it. While I dont see the US leaving NATO, the generosity is going to end.

The US is spending on freedom? What a nonsense you are saying. The US is jus laundering money on this war by putting tax money into pockets of US's military complex. There will be no end for this process.

@ConstantineK
Enjoy your ration of sprats comrade. You have no clue about the US and what is really going on there. The end is coming, one way or another this war will end soon. Ukraine needs to make some big gains quickly.

First combat loss of a Challenger (ever). The previous loss, was due to friendly fire in Iraq.

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Yes, your fellow orc troll was wittering on about that in order to try and deflect from r*SSia's current poor performance.

At least the crew survived, such a contrast to r*SSian 'tanks'.

I can only doubt it. Honestly, do you really see any perspectives for US in its present form with such politics like Biden or frozen Mitch? The US is speeding up towards new civil war.

Elon Musk spearheading a new green industrial revolution and era of space exploration, exciting times.

Russia is hopelessly losing the war in Ukraine.

Next summer, Zelensky will celebrate Ukraine's Independence Day in Yalta.

At this same time next year, Putin will stand trial in The Hague for crimes against humanity.

Zelensky is one of the greatest leaders of modernity. A courageous visionary, the likes of which we had not seen since Mahatma Gandhi and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

While Russia will descend into becoming a third-rate banana republic, Ukraine is fated to become a thriving, dynamic, and culturally influential country.

Sooner, rather than later, there will be a mass exodus of people out of Russia - worsening what is already a catastrophic demographic picture. At the same time, millions of Ukrainians will return to Ukraine - lured by the possibility of rebuilding the country with massive Western infusions of capital. Beyond just Ukrainian-born persons returning, millions from among the Ukrainian diaspora will return to their ancestral country as well.

Poland and Ukraine, together, will become the new economic engine of the EU, as the center of gravity shifts eastwards.

Ukraine will replace Israel, as America's number one ally outside NATO.

Let's hope so.

This is not a matter of hope, but a near mathematical certainty.

Every day, slowly but surely, the Ukrainian army is advancing against the orc untermenschen. Corrupt, drunk, incompetent and utterly unmotivated - the ruSSists stand no chance against Ukraine's heroic soldiers.

While Putin and his cronies are busy plundering their own country, Zelensky has marshaled the help of the entire Western world. Day by day, this support from abroad will strengthen, until finally the accumulated weight of aid will wash the orcs away like a torrential flood. Hopefully, the Ukrainians won't stop at the border, but will take the fight all the way to Moscow. I think that should be the real goal - since the Kremlin is at the heart of the problem.

There's still a long way to go, however Ukraine will certainly win.