Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Can you post your views on the subjects we discuss here in coherent and logical order, and in simple English?
Include the list of posters you agree with and those you don't. Right now you are an enigma...which is fun but up to a point.

Take me as a model poster. Many here hate me but have no doubt about where I stand.

Hey thanks!!:D
A nice badge! Its shape represents your brain's waves activity.
No wonder you are sleepy.. night!


Look dude, I don't know what you are up to. If you want to ask me something ask away. Just make it simple!

Respectfully, if its a minority, there is no need to vote and they can move to Russia. If it is a minority, they cannot achieve a majority vote as proclaimed in all the other bull$hit Russian referendums. I am all for a full vote on where things go, under UN eyes, and with all local registered residents eligible to vote no matter where they may be at the present time. Let the real chips fall where they may as long as both sides agree to these terms, no one can complain.

Were all Brits allowed to vote in the referendum to separate Scotland? How about Canada and Quebec? I don't know so I am asking.

A referendum to separate that would require the entire country to vote makes no practical sense.


OK. How did you feel about Russia vs. Germany in 2021? Warmer, the same, or colder? If not the same, why?

"Ukraine has NO men left and now they're recruiting women to fight"

youtu.be/v9lWI2REeOA

Hey, ladies, tell them that you self-identify as cats, dogs, or rats. Since Ukraine is now the 51st US state, they may leave you alone. Yes, America is that stupid today so there is a chance my suggestion may work.

And on the same 'YouTube channel' there are videos about 7 foot aliens from a UFO base in Antarctica, claims that children murdered in school shootings were 'crisis actors' and about a 100 videos pushing so-called cryptocurrencies.

Not a great source, but at least he wastes his time watching that tripe,

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" In 2019, Clayton Morris moved to Portugal from the USA. Some sources claim it is due to numerous lawsuits against him for defrauding people with his real estate investment company. They report that he is trying to escape the financial judgments against him. Regardless, he and Redacted are based in Portugal"

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This "minority" is a majority in Donbass and Novorossia even after decades of brainwashing (it's why banderites started program of moving families of AFU servicemen from western ukraine to Odessa in 2014 - just like lithuanians once moved peasants to Vilnius to "dilute" Polish/Jewish majority). I already written about this - mother of one of my lithuanian friends tell me what she was remembered from her mother memories).

So, people that live on this land for centuries decided to move to Russia Crimean way - together with the land of grandfathers. ;)

Good point, Velund.

If the only option is to go and leave everything behind - land included - no self-determination referendum would ever be possible or make sense.

The same.

What are we denying kania? Iron mentioned WiN many other AK units that decided to keep fighting after the soviets took over Poland. Just cause your family was moved to the west don't deny polish resistance to soviet communist occupation. Also Ukranian partisan activity till the mid 1950s.


I'm sure your soviet fathers told you that, is that what you jerk off to sleep, along with dreams of your tranny gf on holidays?

I appreciate your response.

In your opinion, what was more justified - (1) the US invading Iraq or (2) Russia invading Ukraine?

the same!

That was not one of the choices since nothing is ever the same. Even you are not the same today as you were yesterday.

If the US invasion of Iraq is the same, then 300,000 civilians killed in Iraq is the same as 10 thousand killed in Ukraine. It's not, even on this forum.

You asked me about justfication.
I guess you are asking me an ethical question. Hence my answer - from the moral point of view both cases are not justfied.
Unless you are asking me which party listed better excuses for an invasion.
In that case I admitt that Russian excuses were better.

Thanks. Now I know where you stand on this one. I just happen to agree with you.
The last one at the risk of annoying the mods...Do you agree with Putin's decision to ban LGBT activists from Russia's schools?

Who's denying resistance? All I said is that quite a few of those "resisters" were common bandits.

How many Soviet or LWP soldiers did those brave resisters killed in battle? Is that number higher than the number of civilians they murdered? Teachers, farmers, civil engineers and administration clerks?

You want a tiny part of their crimes list? Here...

https://polishforums.com/news/poles-start-feel-arrogant-superior-southern-54481/6/#msg1927786

How do you call an armed formation that murders more civilians than enemy soldiers? I said 'bandits' and it wasn't the worst word I could have used.


What?


Oh, right, you're in your retard mode again. *yaaaawn*

This...

Same problem with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which seemed to excel mostly in killing women and old men. Same problem with the Chechen "independence" fighters, that post-1999 killed a lot more school-age children and theater goers, than Russian soldiers.

FARC in Colombia, always seemed to me to be more interested in terrorizing innocents and controlling the narcotics trade, than fighting the Colombian military.

Come to think of it, it also applies to the US occupation-era Afghan Army, which killed a lot more innocent Afghans than Taliban fighters.

The opposite of this, would probably be organizations like ETA in the Basque Country, the Real IRA, Brigate Rosse in Italy, and the Rote Armee Fraktion in Germany. These seemed to put a good deal of effort into avoiding civilian casualties, and instead actually targeting government officials, police, and military.

Like the orcs, except they rape the women and children (and sometimes the men) first.

A lot y loud bangs in occupied Crimea tonight, including the total destruction of r*SSian occupying army headquarters.

I didn't want to toot my own Russian horn, but in this current war Russia must be setting some kind of historical record of excellence in terms of military to civilian deaths ratio.

Absolutely no one can accuse us of avoiding the Ukrainian military, and focusing on hurting innocents instead.

Rather, it's the Ukrainians that are shielding themselves by mixing with civilians, and routinely turning cities into fortresses.

It's all understandable, of course, because if they met us in the field (like we have met their counteroffensive right now), there would be no Ukrainian military left to speak of.

That's why the ratio of military to civilian is 40 to 1. But that doesn't stop Russia haters and stupid PF women from High Moral Ground acts like "Oh, look here, a dead baby".

@Bobko

Maybe Russia should have announced what they plan, giving Ukraines military the chance to prepare and then meet in the field?

I guess it was the same situation for the german troops in Russia...to many russian civilians and fortified citiies....really Bobko???

cluelessness? moral blindness? Spending 8 (or was it 10) million dollars to kill a child?

Meanwhile, in Crimea...

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1700573883277930836

Oh... and there's this....

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1700583218594959510

If russia turned things around tomorrow and took over most of Ukraine within a few months.... it would just make normal people despise russia all the more.... all that potential and only ever used to kill people and steal things....

It must suck to be russian and know that your entire cultural heritage boils down to violence and dishonesty....

That is correct.

I compared the Ukrainian civilian casualties in 18 months of this war to Polish civilian casualties in just one month of 1939 before, so I won't repeat the calculations here but the numbers say it all really - whatever one thinks of Russian motivations in this war, ein totaler Krieg against civilian population is certainly not one of them.

Certainly plenty of orcs are dead and this must be a record for one of the most disastrous campaigns ever.


No, they are at home in their own country. r*SSia is illegally invading.

Great that the new longer range weapons are arriving, to strike any point in temporarily occupied Crimea.

Stalingrad - yes. There we retained a hold of a small pocket, on the wrong side of the river, and kept pouring soldiers in from the other side, in order to prevent a German breakthrough. Hardly a case of using civilians to cover ourselves.

Then we would have not fought in front of Moscow (rather than inside it), or retreated out of Kiev without torching the place.

Most of the critical battles of that war, did in fact happen in "the fields".

That's how Germany wrapped up the Polish campaign in a couple of months while this one has been dragging on forever...

I like the German approach and the US shock and awe better. My guess is that Ukrainians do, too.

Putin planned rather a kind of "Anschluß" for Ukraine....if he truly had taken Kiew in six week with this "special operation", who knows....he even might have been successful.

But every week longer, and yes...every new dead baby is killing that plan!

What exactly is your argument? That if you get invaded, it's fair game to hide behind civilians? That you should invite the destruction of a series of your own cities, for the sake of a "moral" victory over the aggressor?

Thankfully, this doctrine has not been employed by most countries that had been invaded throughout history - this is some "new" wave of thought.

The French might have taken it to an extreme - waving the white flag at the mere thought of their precious cities being damaged... but then so did the Dutch, and Danes, and Belgians, and so on and so forth....

This bears repeating again and again because many russians seem to have a mental block there..... Ukraine =/= russia, russia does not belong in Ukraine and Ukrainians will not consent to be russians.

Vlad Vexler points out that dying empires have a very hard time figuring out what is and isn't inside the empire.....

Again, using innocent people as a meat shield is fair game, if you get invaded?

Correct?

Burning Moscow after Borodino, had the purpose of leaving the French Army without supplies and winter quarters. It wasn't done so that we could point at what a terrorist Napoleon was.