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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



GefreiterKania
9 Sep 2023  #1771

every week longer, and yes...every new dead baby is killing that plan!

Indeed.

It would take some serious mental gymnastics to try and think of a positive ending of this war for Russia, even if they "win" eventually.

One way or another - so much of our great Lisbon to Vladivistok plan, eh? :-/

jon357
9 Sep 2023  #1772

hide behind civilians

In what way are they hiding? They're fighting orcs.

Vlad Vexler points out that dying empires have a very hard time figuring out what is and isn't inside the empire.....

And of course no empire has lasted for more than about 3 centuries. They've had their day now.

using innocent people

They are all innocent.

There is only one guilty party and that is r*SSia.

mafketis
9 Sep 2023  #1773

, if you get invaded?

DON'T INVADE, YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!

Why is a simple principle like 'dont' invade' so hard for russians to understand?

I'm really curious... two simple words with no extra weird meanings attached when you put them together.... but russians seem unable to comprehend... is it something in the water or is the urge/instinct towards violence and theft so strong that it overrides every other instinct?

serious mental gymnastics to try and think of a positive ending of this war for Russia, even if they "win"

There's no possible positive outcome for russia at this point... and still they're keeping at it.... so stupid, so very, very stupid.....

Bobko
9 Sep 2023  #1774

serious mental gymnastics

How about this:

1) Right on the heels of a humiliating pullout from Afghanistan, and after making a disaster of Iraq and Libya - America's reputation is finally shattered for good after it leaves Ukraine hanging high and dry following a Republican victory in the 2024 elections.

2) The Germans, French, and Italians get yet another taste of the wonderful consequences of dancing to Washington's tune.

3) Russia acquires vast reserves of mineral resources (the largest in Europe outside of Russia), and even more important farmland (again, the best in Europe).

4) The Azov Sea is made into an inner Russian lake, while our Black Sea coast line more than doubles.

5) Neighbors, from Belarus to Kazakhstan, will now think long and hard about how best to conduct foreign policy towards Russia.

6) Our companies, which struggled for years to compete against Western competitors, will have a crucial stretch of time to husband our market and develop their own supply chains.

I could think of plenty more upsides :)

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1775

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jon357
9 Sep 2023  #1776

There's no possible positive outcome for russia at this point... and still they're keeping at it..

And it is not only getting worse for them step by step, it's very much going to be disastrous for them when the long range missiles go online.

GefreiterKania
9 Sep 2023  #1777

I could think of plenty more upsides :)

:)

Yes, I'm quite sure you could, because your imagination and creative thinking skills are matched only by your literary talent.

I, however, being a simple man and a realist by nature, can't really see that happening.

Novichok
9 Sep 2023  #1778

I could think of plenty more upsides :)

Compare your list to what the US got from Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan. 7 trillion bucks!

...in debt...

Bratwurst Boy
9 Sep 2023  #1779

can't really see that happening.

....maybe if that original Anschluß - plan would had worked....

But this war shapes up to become a full blown occupation of enemy territory and a hostile population....long term that means only losses!

..in debt...

That! Not to mention the humiliation....

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1780

POLISH DEFENSE CHIEF SHOCKS HOST WITH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT READING OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY

Polish Defense Chief Andrzejczak lays down cold hard truth on Americans, stating he's not surprised at ferocity of Russian troops fighting in Ukraine and warns West NOT to underestimate Moscow, telling bewildered show hosts they can't compare Russian forces to Western standards.

Polish General says Russian soldiers don't back down from hardships and press on through even the most difficult situations - something Andrzejczak implies is notably absent in NATO forces.


WATCH

bitchute.com/video/YVSoNeG9RE6e/

Zonder
We can see how insane the Polish political class is. They seem eager to enter into this conflict. Maybe this is a direct sign that their military leaders do not think the same way. They know what the reality is and have better judgment. One can only hope.

Bobko
9 Sep 2023  #1781

can't really see that happening.

Well... out of my list, #s 3,4 and 5 are probably the most meaningful ones. They are also the ones that have already happened - no need to imagine anything.

Of course we could still lose it all, if the Ukrainians stage a successful counteroffensive. Right now, that seems a little far fetched.

Novichok
9 Sep 2023  #1782

of enemy territory and a hostile population....long term that means only losses!

C, D, and L are not hostile and Russia has no plans to occupy Western Ukraine. Only to make it very unattractive as a member of NATO.

Even NATO's own rules preclude applications with border disputes. It's like buying life insurance with Stage 4 cancer. No go...

Bratwurst Boy
9 Sep 2023  #1783

Of course we could still lose it all,

How exactly looks a victory to you? Russian troops staging a victory parade in Kiew? What?

Russia has no plans to occupy Western Ukraine

Same question to you...how should a clear russian victory look like?

jon357
9 Sep 2023  #1784

Right now, that seems a little far fetched.

They've done pretty well today...

How's your three day 'special operation' going?

Bratwurst Boy
9 Sep 2023  #1785

Even NATO's own rules preclude applications with border disputes.

Don't forget, after talking Ukraine out of their nukes the West has given so called "security guarantees"....Ukraine can demand different stuff than other NATO applicants, and they will probably be granted alot more!

Novichok
9 Sep 2023  #1786

Simple...

All shooting stops.
Russia takes full control over C, D, and L.
A Russia-friendly regime is installed in Kiev.

Bobko
9 Sep 2023  #1787

What?

I just spelled it out above.

Donetsk and Luhansk were the industrial heartland of not just modern-day Ukraine, but also the entire Soviet Union. The coal and iron ore reserves there, is what allowed Ukraine to remain a top 10 country in mining and metallurgy. Now that is again Russian.

The Azov Sea, is now a Russian lake - unless Ukraine manages to liberate the coast somehow.

Crimea and Kherson, have allowed us to double our Black Sea coastline. That means all the offshore riches, all the port infrastructure, and everything else along that line is ours and our children's.

No matter what you think, countries like Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and so on - have measured this conflict up against themselves. They know, that nobody will help them like Ukraine was helped. They have to find ways to accommodate Russia.

These are all nice little victories that don't involve controlling Kiev (which would still be nice).

They've done pretty well today...

Every day, you write very mysteriously about how "Ukraine had a great day".

I then spend time fruitlessly looking for what the hell Jon could be talking about. I'm guessing you're referring to some rumors about ATACMS getting authorized for shipment, but really you should be posting some links.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Sep 2023  #1788

I just spelled it out above.

...not really, that are all wishes....probably the stuff Putin had in mind as he planned his short-term operation.

I mean a real victory....ending the hate....with the following peace, you know....with a victory parade of proud soldiers in front of happy, flower throwing civilians...the world welcoming and respecting a powerful Russia in their midst...Ukrainians embracing their russian brethren....the whole nine yard...

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1789

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Bobko
9 Sep 2023  #1790

not really, that are all wishes

Again, the things I listed have been achieved. Not sure I understand what you mean by "wishes".

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1791

Every day, you write very mysteriously about how "Ukraine had a great day".

youtu.be/C9vuyg7e0Ks

Ukraine Counteroffensive GETS WORSE as Russian Reinforcements Arrive

Bratwurst Boy
9 Sep 2023  #1792

Again, the things I listed have been achieved.

People are still dying, Bobko....

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1793

youtu.be/LqK78284rAU

Putin just changed EVERYTHING with this move and NATO knows it | Redacted with Clayton Morris

youtu.be/RNuYccOOduA

They're kicking Ukrainian men out of Poland, sending them back to fight" | Redacted News

mafketis
9 Sep 2023  #1794

I just spelled it out above.

Yeah you wanna steal what belongs to another country.... a russian with a great plan for grand larceny.... quelle surprise!

Meanwhile the US has far more internaional prestige than russia will ever have.... every ask yourself why?

Germany has far more international prestige than russia... ever ask yourself why?

People are still dying, Bobko...

Most human life has very low (or no) value to russians... haven't you figured that out yet?

jon357
9 Sep 2023  #1795

I then spend time fruitlessly

Like the orc army who only ever move backwards nowadays.

Clayton Morris

Is he still on the run?

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1796

youtu.be/pe7y1zBp55Y

SCOTT RITTER ON UKRAINIANS BEING DEPORTED FROM POLAND; WILL N@Z I EVER BE REMOVED FROM THE EARTH?

Bobko
9 Sep 2023  #1797

People are still dying, Bobko....

Unfortunately they are.

For Zelensky to negotiate:

1) He has to feel that he is at risk of losing Western support

2) Russia has to start making meaningful gains

3) He starts to fear losing support internally.

You decide which is more likely.

jon357
9 Sep 2023  #1798

@Crnogorac3
Nobody clicks on your links, you know...

Bratwurst Boy
9 Sep 2023  #1799

Most human life has very low (or no) value to russians

I'm not a friend of stereotypes for a whole people, maf....Germans have been in that situation themselves, maybe that's why....

Crnogorac3
9 Sep 2023  #1800

In the latest video Scott Ritter just called Victoria Nuland a Nazi. He never once called her a jew, not one time. I mean what a clown show this is on every level.


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