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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7



mafketis
25 Sep 2023  #2551

obko and Velund, in your opinion, .... objectives and plan for ending this war?

(gets popcorn) I cannot _wait_ for this....

Let's here the 12 dimension chess master plan!

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2552

Seriously?

Russia puts international court's top leadership on wanted list

politico.eu/article/russia-international-criminal-court-icc-president-piotr-hofmanski-wanted-list/

...Russia's ministry of internal affairs has placed International Criminal Court (ICC) President Piotr Hofmański on its wanted list, according to the ministry's online database.

The site does not specify what Hofmański is wanted for, but it states he is "wanted under the article of the Criminal Code," reported Russian state-run news site TASS. Alongside Hofmański, the ministry also added ICC Vice President Luz del Carmen Ibáñez Carranza and judge Bertram Schmitt to the wanted list....


Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2553

My favorite Ukraine-related headline of the week.

"Canada's House speaker apologises for praising Ukrainian Nazi veteran."

The Speaker took it on the chin, and claims nobody - including Trudeau - had any idea that he had decided to invite a literal Nazi to Parliament during Zelensky's visit.

In doing so, this Speaker accomplished what thousands of photos of Azov soldiers with swastika tattoos could not. He's made clear the link between the current Ukrainian regime and literal banderist Nazis.

Now Google News and Twitter is full of normal civilians in the comment sections, that haven't shown a particular interest in this war up until now, asking "Why did Trudea and Zelensky give a standing ovation to a Nazi?".

Good question, children! To us Russians, this also is bewildering. Perhaps ask your government some hard questions about why there are Ukrainian Nazis living as refugees in Canada. Because truly, this is a PR disaster decades in the making. Maybe Canadians should finally pay closer attention to all the peculiar "monuments" to the 1st Galician, Shukhevich, Bandera, and others - permeating Canada from Vancouver to Ottawa?

Thank you, clueless Trudeau!


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Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2554

Na ja.....a very old Nazi, from a time where lines were often blurred.....compared to those Neo-Nazis who truly should know better, what's worse?

jon357
25 Sep 2023  #2555

a very old Nazi, from a time where lines were often blurred

He wasn't even that. SS Galitzien were just kids, brought up in what would now be considered an information vacuum, who knew nothing about politics. Some of them had survived the Holodomor, seen family members die of starvation around them and sometimes seen their families resort to cannibalism to survive. Their elder brothers had been taken by the Red Army and they joined up with the ones who weren't trying to kill them. They knew zero about the Nazis sick racial ideology and in any case were regarded as subhuman by them.

If we're looking for the heirs of evil and deluded nationalistic brutality, there's plenty to find in r*SSia.

However Bobko is just clutching at straws because things are going very badly for r*SSia and will only get worse. Everyone knows about the twentieth century history of Ukraine, most of us without needing to resort to google and like most countries in continental Europe, had its dark chapters.

The twentieth (and sadly the twentyfirst) century history of r*SSia is far far worse.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2556

They knew zero about the Nazis sick racial ideology and in any case were regarded as subhuman by them.

*nods*

That's what I meant!

Especially regarding how many Russians support the "Wagners".....not even hidden Neo-Nazis.....all this screaming and finger pointing at old ukrainian Nazis is so fake!

Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2557

SS Galitzien were just kids

This is a fresh new take, that I'm not familiar with. Just kids, were they?

Himmler saw in them more than kids, but trustworthy allies!

In a speech to the soldiers of the 1st Galician division, Heinrich Himmler stated:

Your homeland has become so much more beautiful since you have lost - on our initiative, I must say - those residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia's good name, namely the Jews ... I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles ... I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway.

Also, just in case you are unaware - in the International Military Tribunal's verdict at the Nuremberg Trials, the entire Waffen-SS organisation was declared a "criminal organization" guilty of war crimes. Notice the word "ENTIRE". Why was this not enough to stop Canada granting them refugee permits en masse?

Novichok
25 Sep 2023  #2558

hard questions about why there are Ukrainian Nazis living as refugees in Canada.

Simple. Canada is a fascist and despotic state screaming to come out of the closet while pretending that it is a democracy to fool the naive.

Why was this not enough to stop Canada granting them refugee permits en masse?

Same reason as above. It's hard to be a fascist state with only the flower people.

Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2559

how many Russians support the "Wagners".....not even hidden Neo-Nazis

Wagner is not Neo-Nazi. The photo of "Utkin", with the tattoos of German epaulettes, wasn't even a photo of Utkin. Wagner are mercenaries, like in the 1700s. They fight not for racial purity, fatherland, or God... They fight for money. Their Tao is war itself.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2560

....then why the name Wagner?

I mean I love Wagner's Ring and all but sadly so do Neo-Nazis....for all the wrong reasons!

And who was the Neo-Nazi in those Wagner-photos?

Novichok
25 Sep 2023  #2561

Ukraine Advances on Russian Defenses as US Battle Tanks Arrive

The irony...Maybe those US tanks will serve as a wake-up call to the Kremlin to finally start a real war - the kind that Russia can actually win. Convincingly and quickly...

What is going on is bullsh*it...

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2562

...no more "hearts and minds"? ;)

Novichok
25 Sep 2023  #2563

It didn't work very well in Iraq. Did it?

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2564

...it was crap propaganda then and it's crap now.

If Putin COULD he would had brought out the big guns by now....he gives as much about the civilians as the West did back then.

Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2565

....then why the name Wagner?

"Wagner" was Utkin's nom de guerre. Then, when the organization expanded, his name began to be used by journalists to describe the whole operation. After journalists began using the name, the people inside Wagner decided to adopt the name for themselves.

Utkin was like you, BB :) Members of the Wagner Group have said that he was a Rodnover, a believer in the Slavic native faith. A Pagan, basically!

In any case, whether Utkin was a Pagan, a Neo-Nazi, a fan of Wagner's operas, or an admirer of Hitler - is not important. Prigozhin ultimately was the head of the organization (once it left its embryonic stages), and even he received his orders from the GRU. One Pagan/Neo-Nazi commander, does not make a Nazi organization.

Wagner had Jews, Koreans, Buryats, Tuvans, Russians, Ukrainians, Congolese, Syrians, Azeris, Chechens, Cubans, Kyrgyz, Belarusians, and Kazakhs serving in it. The main motivation was not "to keep Russia white", but to make fat stacks of cash while living outside all norms of society. Furthering Russia's interests was merely a bonus.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2566

Jews too? Interesting....

But....has Russia ever been "white" in the first place with half of it asian? I never got the russian Neo-Nazis, seriously.....what are they fighting for?

jon357
25 Sep 2023  #2567

but trustworthy allies!

Or cannon fodder.

In a speech to the soldiers of the 1st Galician division, Heinrich Himmler stated:

Believe him, do you?

International Military Tribunal's verdict

War crimes trials are of course important, as plenty of r*SSians will soon find out, however there were many thousands in the SS and those 'subhumans' who were added to it a cannon fodder were the least of the problem.

And meanwhile, here's the latest news from the war.


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Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2568

Jews too? Interesting...

Yes, very interesting ;)

The Jerusalem Post caught quite a lot of criticism, for listing Evgeniy Prigozhin amongst its list of 50 Influential Jews.

A strange war.

never got the russian Neo-Nazis, seriously

Don't ask me. They're a bunch of idiots. Scum of the Earth. When you have neo-Nazis in a country like Russia, or Israel - it's best to simply liquidate those people. That's my opinion.


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Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2569

...crazy!

edit:

Bild: Ukrainian military needs 3 months of training for Taurus missiles

kyivindependent.com/bild-ukrainian-military-needs-3-months-of-training-for-taurus-missiles/

If BILD is now thinking loudly the decision to give Ukraine the TAURUS should fall soon....helped by the US to send their ATACMS missiles and Kiew promising not to target russian territory!

Novichok
25 Sep 2023  #2570

he gives as much about the civilians as the West did back then.

Numbers don't support your claim. Quoting:

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 13 August 2023, OHCHR recorded 26,384 civilian casualties in the country: 9,444 killed and 16,940 injured.

Now the US contribution or direct cause...Quoting:

How many civilians has the US killed in the Middle East?

432,093 civilians have died violent deaths as a direct result of the U.S. post-9/11 wars. An estimated 3.6-3.8 million people have died indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, bringing the total death toll to at least 4.5-4.7 million and counting.


Those numbers are not even close..430,000 vs. 10,000. On the Russian side, that 10k is a rounding error for the US and other mostly peaceful "democracies".

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2571

....give it time!

If Russia is going for it for another decade....and you could add the victims in Chechnya or Georgia and other countries Putin did send his troops in too!

Crnogorac3
25 Sep 2023  #2572

giving american money to jewkraine causes inflation for americans

youtu.be/SympEOWHWwY

youtu.be/vVew6MC3-KE

Crnogorac3
25 Sep 2023  #2573

Swatch CEO Comes Out and Condemns Hypocritical American Global War Agenda

dailystormer.in/swatch-ceo-comes-out-and-condemns-hypocritical-american-global-war-agenda/

Lavrov's UN Speech Identifies US as "Empire of Lies"

dailystormer.in/lavrovs-un-speech-identifies-us-as-empire-of-lies/

Novichok
25 Sep 2023  #2574

Chechnya or Georgia

Very, very close...
K, V, I, and A - very, very far away...

Mexico - very, very close but untouchable. You know...drug and people smugglers causing US deaths into 6 figures and trillions in expenses... Still, not one shot was fired...In fact, the US assists them in climbing over the chicken wire pretending to be "the wall"...

Russia has its blind spots but is not that suicidal. Hence, C and G...right next door...

BIG difference...

Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2575

could add the victims in Chechnya or Georgia and other countries

Do the homework, and see how many got killed in those places by Russians.

In Georgia, I'd be surprised if it was more than a few dozen dead civilians. Yes, mere dozens. In Chechnya, of course, there was more. The majority, again in Chechnya, were however our own citizens that died at the hands of terrorists. How do you want to count that?

If it's Syria, then again it is hundreds of civilian Syrians. Not even thousands.

Compare this to America's stellar record of hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq alone.

Then, maybe, your eyes will begin to open up to the full magnitude of Western hypocrisy.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2576

How do you want to count that?

That's a slippery slope, you know?

After WW1 there were many german minorities in Europe....if you go with that: "Where my people live there I can meddle and invade!", Hitler was right to start WWII.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Second_Chechen_War

....again, give it time....if Putin stays longer in Ukraine the numbers will add up.....and who knows, if he wins he could be convinced to rescue the russian minorities in the Baltics next...and so on....

Novichok
25 Sep 2023  #2577

Hitler was right to start WWII.

Did Germany fire the first shot? Yes.
Did Germany start the process? No.

Bobko
25 Sep 2023  #2578

if Putin stays longer in Ukraine, the numbers will add up.....

Fundamental question: do you think we want to kill Ukrainians?

This is our blood, they are our relatives (for the majority of Russians), former colleagues, friends, and comrades in arms.

There is zero - repeat "zero" - desire to kill Ukrainians.

jon357
25 Sep 2023  #2579

There is zero - repeat "zero" - desire to kill Ukrainians

So time to stop doing it and to withdraw the orcs' illegal and unprovoked invasion.

Though they're losing anyway and this will only accelerate.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Sep 2023  #2580

Armed conflicts tends to radicalize people...you see it even here on the forum!

Yes, there are Russians who want to see Ukrainians killed, as many as possible....and there are more and more Ukrainians who cheer every dead russian soldier. It's a consequence of war, and the longer that war lasts the bigger that hate becomes...it's only human!


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