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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8



Crnogorac3
10 Dec 2023  #901

NATO equipment does not burn (Video)

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Velund
10 Dec 2023  #902

It was not NATO equipment anymore. And in Ukrainian hands everything burns - from wood to statehood. ;)

Crnogorac3
10 Dec 2023  #903

Even among the homeless in the USA there are different castes. From those who engage in prostitution in that "survivor" and give blood to survive... to these homeless "aristocrats" (God forbid and may it be as far away from anyone)...



This is just one of the many symptoms of a deeply sick society and state (the USA), and they would like to rule the planet and impose their "values" on others. 🤔

PS.





Novichok
10 Dec 2023  #904

This is just one of the many symptoms of a deeply sick society and state (the USA),

...where a Supreme Court justice is afraid to answer the question: What is a woman?
This affirmative-action black bi*tch knows the answer but is scared to give it. Just like some bootlickers here...

jon357
11 Dec 2023  #905

Some nice news. The Royal Navy has just given two ships to Ukraine. Minehunters which do a lot else besides.
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/11/royal-navy-mine-hunting-ships-ukraine-navy-black-sea/

While 'truckers' associations infiltrated by the FSB block the borders of an invaded land, while other unions across the Atlantic allow their own parliament to delay support packages and still other unions yet allow so-called 'member states' to block support, a union of four countries on some windswept and undefeated isles show themselves once again to be the adults in the room and continue to deliver.

PolAmKrakow
11 Dec 2023  #906

Z is visiting Biden today, and will meet with some in congress. Unfortunately he is likely to find out, that its Biden who is blocking Ukraine aid because he is too stubborn to give the republicans anything on illegal immigration. This as a report that Pennsylvania, will be giving voting registrations with every drivers license it issues. The only want to not be registered to vote with the license is to opt out. This means, any illegal can get their license and be registered to vote even when they are not citizens. Pennsylvania already tried this once years ago, and thousands of illegal aliens were registered and voted. Go figure, another Democratic leadership doing anything it can in order to secure votes.

One has to wonder why Biden wont make a deal on illegal immigration. The republicans have made multiple reasonable offers. Biden who has the worst approval numbers in history, is playing politics when he should be making deals. Great leadership with a senile 81 year old puppet.

jon357
11 Dec 2023  #907

Today's official statement from the MoD:

"As reflected in official Ukrainian public release data, on some days approaching 40 per cent of all combat engagements have likely taken place in this small sector," it said.

"The Russian offensives have continued to be characterised by largely dismounted infantry assaults, often by Storm-Z penal units."

The MoD added that Ukrainian forces have "likely conducted" successful counter-attacks.

And in better news, Ukraine ha got round the PiS/r*SSia lorry drivers' blockade by switching to rail for logistics.

Tacitus
11 Dec 2023  #908

Has the (hopefully soon) incoming new Polish government made any statements on how they plan to resolve the drivers' blockade?

PolAmKrakow
11 Dec 2023  #909

While Z is in the US begging for money, FM Kuleba is stating that if Ukraine not given the green light to begin negotiations for EU membership it will be devastating. When what would be devestating is if the EU actually did green light talks and then Ukraine completely lost. That would damage the EU more than anything. The EU is playing too loosely with Ukraine, and needs to tighten things up. Slow things down. Then the EU and US need to tell Z to either do as he is told or to FO.

Korvinus
11 Dec 2023  #910

russian logic

But, but, but no one needs a defensive alliance against Switzerland.

Now, if you live close to a country which attacked every single neighbor except Mongolia and broke every single deal except Molotov Ribbentrop, such alliance is existential...

IDK what is worse, a Burn Loot Murder militant who believes that private security is a treat to his security or Russia believing that NATO is a threat to its security...

jon357
11 Dec 2023  #911

Has the (hopefully soon) incoming new Polish government made any statements

Have the incoming government?

No, and I'd not expect them to say anything just yet. It's a very stormy week.

At least supplies are now getting through by rail, a better way anyway than loading things onto individual lorries to clog up roads.

But, but, but no one needs a defensive alliance against Switzerland.

Damn it Korvinu. You beat me to it; I'd just saved that one to pot here.

Novichok
11 Dec 2023  #912

But, but, but no one needs a defensive alliance against Switzerland.

No one needs a defensive alliance against Monaco, either.

Iraq did against Western "democracies" - including Poland.

Mr Grunwald
11 Dec 2023  #913

@Novichok
Monaco isn't excactly banging on about WoMD, invading Kuwait or anything close to tho is it? It's a princedom too if I remember correctly.

More a chance to lose money in a casino there then for it to start Wars with Spain or France.

Bobko
11 Dec 2023  #914

A beautiful article in the FT. How I wish they had not waited for 650 days to write something like this...

Some quotes:

Zelenskyy sees an optimistic message as the only way to reassure Ukraine doubters in the west and shore up the confidence of Ukrainian businesses, a vital source of tax revenues for the war effort.

"If we are pessimistic, we can expect [people] to stop developing their businesses in Ukraine and stop paying taxes, and we will not have enough money to keep fighting," said an official.


Zolotar said the current strategy had left audiences in the west asking why they should contribute their taxpayers' money if Ukraine was always "about to win".

Other communications advisers say the strategy shields Ukrainians and western public opinion from the urgency of the situation and undermines trust.

"Sometimes the fight - communicating what's happening in real life - tells more than just a beautiful photo of the fight," said one former senior staffer.


Looks like Zelensky's lies are starting to catch up with him.


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mafketis
11 Dec 2023  #915

russian priorities....

a- improve living standards for citizens

b- invade other countries.....

it always goes for a, so people in russia live like this...

youtube.com/watch?v=DGlGiEwcBHU

that's what russia wants for other countries to live in rotting houses with no plumbing....

russian world = poverty and degradation

Bobko
11 Dec 2023  #916

russian priorities....

I would suggest to other NATO trolls to learn from Mafketis' example.

Once the amount of negative news surrounding Ukraine became impossible to ignore, Maf deftly shifted from predicting a Russian defeat to rather more abstract discussions of the country's misaligned priorities.

As a Russian, it is heartwarming to realize that there are kind and thoughtful gentlemen living in the West - worrying about our missed opportunities for self betterment. All I can say to such altruists as Maf, is "we will try harder!".

Now, some cynics might say, that one should first establish order in his own house, before teaching others how to live. But that's why they're cynics.

I think, it is totally normal for a person to on the one hand wish for the disintegration of Russia into a dozen pieces, and on the other provide helpful advice about how it should order its national priorities.

The only thing I'm worried about, is that some episodic pro-NATO visitor to our forum will see Maf write in response to my post - "Russia = poverty and degradation" - and decide that Maf has given up on a military victory for Ukraine.

amiga500
11 Dec 2023  #917

ncoming new Polish government made any statements on how they plan to resolve the drivers' blockade?

tUSK said they will both fufill the polish trucker union wishes, the ukranian trucker union wishes (owned by the transnational conglomerates) and the eu wishes from brussels.. lolzo

PolAmKrakow
11 Dec 2023  #918

While Russia has started their own winter offensive with more missiles and attacks to take more land, it is Ukraine that is digging in to defensive positions. Hungary is not going to give in to pressure from Brussels to let Ukraine into the EU or begin negotiations. Z is in the US and republicans told Biden again today that they want the border secured, and they want real plans from Z that spell out exactly what 61 billion will get accomplished. No more bull$hiting about making headway and gaining ground. Conclusive plans with some metric for a measurable rate of return on this investment. All the while Ukraine is asking for long range bombers, long range missiles, and new F-18 hornets! The F-18 is more advanced and more expensive than the F-16 and mush more advanced technology. Ukraine seems to think that the US is some open aid targ where they can just ask for and buy what ever TF they want. The ask is fvcking unreal, they got a lot of balls or are really stupid.

Republicans are showing how real government holds people accountable. Not writing blank checks and not believing a comedian's schict. And dont look now, but Kiev's Mayor is now opening critical of big Z and how many things have been done. Looking more and more like Z is not the man to finish the job, or to end the stalemate.

Novichok
11 Dec 2023  #919

thoughtful gentlemen living in the West - worrying about our missed opportunities for self betterment.

...that patronizing fake concern...where is my barf bag???

Biden again today that they want the border secured,

The border is secure. The problem is that it's open to 7 billion useless scumbags that should never be allowed in here.

Velund
11 Dec 2023  #920

Rich, calm on. Nobody of that 7 billions will steal your border. It will be at the same place where it was placed after they pass. ;)

Bobko
11 Dec 2023  #921

All the while Ukraine is asking for long range bombers, long range missiles, and new F-18 hornets!

Yeah was a little surprised at that.

From Reuters:

the list has a few surprises including big-ticket items like C-17 Globemaster transport jets made by Boeing (BA.N) and the C-130 Super Hercules made by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N). Boeing's Apache attack helicopters made the list, as did the Black Hawk helicopter made by Lockheed Martin's Sikorsky unit.

But the Ukrainians did not stop there. The documents show Ukraine is also seeking F-18 "Hornet" fighter jets, three types of drones made by General Atomics including the MQ-9B Sky Guardian and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) air defense system made by Lockheed.


I genuinely wonder where they are planning to fly on their C-130s? Those things will be shot down the minute they take off from an airfield.

I think they're just asking for everything at this point, looking to what see what will stick.

After all, a C-130 can be sold for good money after the war is over.

Torq
11 Dec 2023  #922

...that patronizing fake concern

The concern is not at all fake. Think about it: it is in the best interest of citizens of NATO countries for Russia to be more efficiently governed and Russian standard of living to be high.

Why? It's very simple; when Russians get as rich and as fat as the Swiss, they will be just as warlike and aggressive as the Swiss. :)

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However, for that to happen Дядя Володя has to f*ck off and take his entire kleptocratic mafia with him.

espana
11 Dec 2023  #923

the polish flag is like the white flag . (associated to surrender).

CANT HELP

Torq
11 Dec 2023  #924

polish flag is like the white flag . (associated to surrender)

Hey, Espana - Poland won almost as many battles as Spain did...

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vividmaps.com/4500-years-of-battles-in-5-minutes/

... but we had to fight Germans, Russians, Mongols, Swedes and other hardcore motherf*ckers whilst you inflated your counter with victories over some poor Peruvians, Filipinos or Africans, so show some respect, pendejo. :)

espana
11 Dec 2023  #925

but we had to fight Germans

so do you call "drop a flag " ...........fighting??????

PolAmKrakow
11 Dec 2023  #926

@Bobko
I think Z believes he is "Elmer J Fudd", and he owns a mansion and a yacht. This ask list is simply beyond imagination. They have been promised F-16's, but when will they get them into action? They wont be coming from the US either. Again, why doesnt this idiot move to full mobilization and full war time economy? That would show me he really wants to win, and it would show US congress too. But I doubt it will ever happen. A friend of mine going to Lviv to party and see friends this weekend. Thats how scary the war is now.

Bobko
11 Dec 2023  #927

This ask list is simply beyond imagination.

Saudi Arabia is the second largest weapons importer in the world (after India), and it pays in cash for everything.

I think it would take Saudi Arabia a good decade to pay for a shopping list like this.

Alien
11 Dec 2023  #928

the polish flag is like the white flag

It is only half white and half red, like the spilled blood of enemies.

Mr Grunwald
11 Dec 2023  #929

@espana
No, we consider impaling elite Spanish trained artillarymen with lances while riding up hill fighting.

Spanish soldiers were brave enough to not hoist any white flags and got inpaled or ran away with tail between their legs :)

Sure write more, and make relationship more sour between Spain and Poland. Perhaps you will finally have enough naptime from your Siesta

Bobko
11 Dec 2023  #930

Hey, Espana - Poland won almost as many battles as Spain did...

The American number of battles is outrageous, and beggars belief.

It includes every engagement with various Sioux, Apaches, and Seminoles.

By that count, if you include Russia's march through Siberia and Turkestan, you'll get 5,000 battles.


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