Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

@PolAmKrakow
That's centrist though. What you oddly call "the freakish left" are just a sort of social neoliberal. I'd bet that most of those people who spell white as "whyte" are financially privileged with investment portfolios. They've probably all got private health insurance.

Not left, and a distraction from the broad left which is this: workers' control over the means of production. The rising gap between rich and poor there is unsustainable and guaranteed to bring social unrest.


And they're doing it the old way, throwing meat at the front line.


There, they like "ordnung". Pathologically so. This can have benefits and drawbacks. In times of stability, there are both. In times of change and uncertainly, only drawbacks..

Order is a good thing to have, both in good and bad times. Brits will be watching the entire show from the back seat whilst Poland and Germany will have to take the red onslaught on our own muscular, hairy chests, so show some respect, Jon.

@jon357
That is not centrist in the opinion of the vast majority of American people. The rising gap between the wealthy and poor is resulting from Democratic policies concerning inflation, COVID, unemployment benefit extensions, direct payments for subsidies, and making it more profitable to not work. Biden polocies has destroyed the middle class. Your take on whats left and right are not those of 90% of Americans.

Where I am the last few days, fast food places are paying $20 and hour to start. 80 zl an hour in a town the size of Zakopane. Plus free meals, plus vacation, plus supplements paid toward daycare if needed. And people are not taking the jobs because they have more money in their pocket by not working and sucking off the tite of the government. Gas is cheaper than in Poland yet food prices are insanely high for even $hit food. 85 zl for 12 chicken wings for lunch yesterday. These are the results of Biden.

Workers controlling production? Like the autoworkers who have driven the price of a new car to a point that only the wealthy can afford? They are making an average of $60 an hour, while someone making $20 an hour cant afford to buy a new car they produce. Materials to build a new care are 47% of cost, and labor is now almost 25% of cost after the new contracts last month, up from 22%. So car prices go up another 3% putting them further out of reach of poor people, due to the actions of the working class. Does an auto worker on the line deserve $100 an hour after 20 years just for turning a fvcking screw? The entitlement system set up by labor is breaking the governments who have had to bail out labor time and again.

The freek show left are the one who actually believe the politicians in the democratic party. Thos same politicians who are making hundred of millions on insider trading that goes unpunished. Like those democrats GAF anout the poor? And it is those same freakshow supporting democrats who are blocking aid to Ukraine when the Republicans are simply making reasonable demands to secure America before securing Ukraine. No different than Poland any any other country with a brain.

Where are the PF police???

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"their stated mission is to weaken russia.

this half assed effort at supporting and supplying ukraine against russia that resulted in the loss of ukraine against russia is going to get worse political fallout than just sending arm and armor that dont work to ukraine.

it just doesnt make sense to be halfassed to negate mild political fallout that will lead to greater political tsunami not just domestically in the US but globally in world geopolitics.

the moment ukraine declare their surrender is the moment the US's guarantee of security amongst friends and foes turn from a piece of paper into a roll of toilet paper,

if the people running the US are competent they'd give everyting and anything, including sending "americans" into ukraine to ensure it doesnt fail and fall.

anything less than this is a symptom the US is run by a bunch of incompetent people that will only successfully fail to secure their own survival.

maybe theyre all jéws, but that doesnt matter. because in the end they will fail.
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And now in Ukraine reports are starting to get out that the beachhead secured across the Dnipro stories are pretty much bull$hit. Soldiers now speaking to Ukraine and western press saying it is a suicide mission and that some bodies have been laying in the mud for up to two months. Thank the NYT for this news.

This is exactly the kind of bull$hit that Republican and now some Democrats are talking about. The lies coming out of Ukraine military mouths have to stop. As much as Moscow is a propaganda machine, Kiev was taught by Moscow how to do the same.

@PolAmKrakow

My advice to you is not to enter conversation with this degenerate.

@Bobko
I see who he is now and remember. Pedo is not welcome here.

You just beat me to it.


I don't know when that moment comes in a man's life when he discovers the true meaning of the word and the concept of "empathy". Your posts do that very well. No, I am not trying to be patronizing.

From Business Insider:

Ukrainian troops fighting on Dnipro river say official claims of success are misleading: 'There are no positions. It's a suicide mission'
Ukrainian soldiers and marines told The New York Times that the Dnipro river front is brutal.
They contradicted official reports that they have gained a foothold on the eastern bank.
They said that Ukrainian soldiers are dying in huge numbers and that it is a "suicide mission."

Out of respect for those who died, I will leave the above without a comment.

War criminals (def.) - those who prolong a war with a known outcome for profit or to feel good.
Your own mental disorders or bad childhood memories are not an excuse.

Even if it is feel good of POTUS and profit of their son?

War criminals - those who bomb civilians, steal kids, loot burn and rape as part of an illegal invasion

You definitely are antisemite!

The Overton Window is unnaturally far to the right there.


One place in a large country with low wage and living standards for too many.


Further proof that you are doing it wrong.

But I think Israel is also committing war crimes. Why wouldn't I hold them to the same standards?

But this thread is about Udmurtian war crimes. The list of which is long and growing - it will keep The Hague busy for years, but all the guilty will be served justice

Jon - you are out of date, US wages are outstripping European and British wages by a wide and growing margin and that gap is growing since lockdown finished. There is more investment, lower inflation and more jobs are being created

@jon357
You criticize the US, yet you want the US money. You make no sense. Your opinion of where the policy is left or right leaning makes no difference because it simply is what it is in the US. As for average wages in the US, you need to do some research. Wages are high, and jobs are plenty, it is the housing costs, driven by corporate purchasing of homes, that is way out of control. Thankfully new laws preventing this will be made next year and corporations will be forced to sell off homes as well. This will flood the market and drop prices. Proof of doing what wrong? Listening to unions and paying too much because of the unions or bailing out auto industry because they cant manage themselves financially or bailing out the pension funds for auto industry because unions got too much?

Regardless of these issues, there wont be any new funding for Ukraine from the US unless a deal is struck immediately. Everyone leaves for the holidays this week, and if that doesnt tell you how the US feels about being lied to by Z, then nothing will.

I don't.


There will.

,,,said I will always have the last word, no matter how stupid PF poster.

Give it more time and posting here will be a war crime - but only if in support of Russia.
Killings in Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq are exempt as those were for freedom and democracy so the victims died smiling.

@Bratwurst Boy
Germany will need to mechanise and automate military equipment, vehicles, ammonution and weapons it can afford to make keep producing.

With a shorter amount of workforce, it becomes the only option despite worker strikes.

I would focused on small arms production and small arms ammunition (preferably blank ammonution for training purposes and increase interest for para military groups being formed on local level)

Then when interest increases, voices for improving weapons, ideas and drive will prove what will be in need by itself down from society on their own initiative

@jon357
There will not cbsnews.com/video/congress-unlikely-to-pass-ukraine-aid-or-border-funding-before-2024/ Nice left wing news source for you.

The hypocrisy competition continues: Icelanders have appealed to the European Broadcasting Union to exclude Israel, following the example of Russia, which was excluded from the song contest last year.

The clowns at the EBU have already responded that "Israel strictly adheres to all the rules and regulations of the contest and there are no grounds for its exclusion."

The EBU emphasized that "the contest is among broadcasters, not governments," that they are strictly apolitical.

It remains to be understood for what reason Russia was banned from participating.

Didn't Putin recently subscribed an anti gay law? Where gays can be jailed for being gay?

I don't know if you know that but the ESC is the gayest thing in the whole of Europe....practically made by gays for other gays....a huge gay party, if you so want....just saying! :)

There's common sense and there's 'ordnung'.


It's because of their illegal and unprovoked invasion of another contestant. No other reason.


It doesn't.

...as opposed to the Russian girls who like playing tennis. Those were found to be FSB agents on a mission to subvert all events where small round balls resembling hand grenades are used.


Yes!
He had the nerve to tell the sexually disoriented to stay away from Russian kids and keep them uninformed about the joys of being sexually special.

UNESCO and UNICEF should issue an arrest warrant.


...said the Last Word idiot...

Zaluzhny is really digging into Zelensky.

Remember some months ago there was a scandal regarding widespread corruption in Ukraine's military recruitment centers?

People were paying bribes for fake deferrals, or permits to leave the country. Those that weren't able to pay their way out, were manhandled in the streets and stuffed into vans.

Zelensky's very much populist reaction was to fire the head of every single regional recruitment center.

Today in an interview, Zaluzhny was asked how he would rate the work of the new Western-style recruiting campaign that is supposed to replace the Soviet system of mobilization. He said it was too early to judge the effectiveness of the new approach, but at the same time believes it would be prudent to put back in place the old framework.

Zaluzhny said this was an urgent task driven by the needs of the mobilized men at the front, some of which have been fighting non stop since the start of the war. Someone has to replace those exhausted men - otherwise morale will continue to slide, and more territory will be lost.

Asked by the journalist what he thought about the corruption scandal related to those recruiting centers, and Zelensky's summary firing of every single regional head - Zaluzhny replied: "Those people were professionals that knew how to do their job. Now they are not there."

In other words - Zaluzhny has accused Zelensky of sabotaging Ukraine's mobilization efforts through his poorly thought out and populist decisions.

Quick brief on what Zaluzhny wants:

1) Soviet legacy recruitment centers to be re-staffed with the same people that had been working there prior to all being fired.

2) Lower the age limit on people without military experience that are eligible for mobilization from 27 to at least 25 years, or even better 19-21.

3) Mobilize at least 20,000 people monthly, in order to be able to form reserves, and reconstitute shattered brigades.

Zelensky is already 25 points behind Zaluzhny in the polls. If he starts taking people's 20 year old kids away, that have zero military experience, and sending them to the front - his popularity will tank even harder.

Another problem, just like in Russia, is that the generation of 18-27 year olds is very, very small compared to the generation of guys in their 30s and 40s. There were practically no kids born in the 90s and early 2000s. These are children that are literally precious to the continuation of both countries. Sending them into the meat grinder will be a harrowing decision.

No... Faggots can fcuk each other in their bedroom as long as they wish and can. Even not required to hide their orientation. What is anathema and will be prosecuted is indoctrination of kids to any forms of perversions.

That's what I mean....would a russian gay singer/group vanish in a siberian gulag after an appearance at the next ESC? For the crime of perversion?

That's not nice... Education is key!


My explanation is pure love...