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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 14



Velund
15 Sep 2024  #661

Russia had many ways to prevent Ukraine ascension into NATO without a direct war.

But when large amount of shell crates was unloaded right on ground near artillery positions surrounding Donetsk, time to other ways is come to an end. There was another intel that Zelensky got "Go" command from their "curators" to "finally solve Donbass question".

8 years and 14000 dead civilians on a Donbass side is a proof that all another ways was tried, unsuccessfully. Kiev not even started to implement any agreements from Minsk (II) accords to that date.

Miloslaw
15 Sep 2024  #662

Remember that one of the possible objectives with Kursk invasion(force RU to take troops from frontlines)

Ukraine 1 Russia 0.

Scott Ritter: Catastrophic NATO Losses in Ukraine - A Thousand Soldiers Wiped Out!

Total Russian propaganda!

Ukraine 2 Russia 0.

Douglas Macgregor: Kursk Devastation - Ukraine's Forces Crushed Beyond Recovery!

Yet more Russian propaganda that Crow has obviously fallen for!

Ukraine 3 Russia 0.

Great post!

Official Poland`s attempt to weaken Russia is a mistake at the moment when Russia offering sincere partnership to Serbia,

How many times do I have to ram it into that thick head of yours? SERBIA DOES NOT MATTER! NOBODY CARES ABOUT SERBIA!
SERBIA IS NOTHING!

Crow
16 Sep 2024  #663

What Russia has, except delusions of grandeur, to justify is position as great power of multipolar world?

But, Russia forcing NATO and EU into defensive. Russians developing BRICS, gather free world around it, while advance on front in Ukraine no matter all NATO and EU doing to stop them.

Spot >

LIVE News | Putin's Masterstroke: BRICS Challenges NATO's Military Dominance Over Ukraine



Jaishankar Openly Calls Out G7, Reveals Why BRICS Was Established: 'We Formed Our Own Club' | WATCH



Senior Chinese Diplomat Attends BRICS Meeting, Meets Putin, BRICS Officials



See?

The only reason Russia is mostly left alone is the Pax Americana.

Russia is sovereign and serious power. Same as the USA (if we exclude influence of the black nobility from Vatican) and China. These three powers shape the world.

Velund
16 Sep 2024  #664

Donald Trump assassination attempt suspect Ryan Wesley Routh starred in a Ukrainian propaganda video in support of the terrorist Nazi battalion Azov in May 2022

In addition, Root was involved in recruiting foreigners into formations fighting on the side of the UAF.

Kiev is preparing a staging of an alleged "strike by the Russian Federation" on a children's institution with the help of the USA

This was reported by the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation.

Main statements:

▪️ It is supposed to stage a "Russian missile strike" on a hospital or kindergarten on Kiev-controlled territory with a large number of casualties.

▪️ A wide media coverage of this tragedy with the involvement of international media is planned.

▪️ The Kiev regime wants to raise the morale of the AFU in this way, justify the removal of Western restrictions on the use of missiles deep into the Russian Federation and attract support from the countries of the Global South.

▪️ At the same time, the United States plans to use this provocation to increase pressure on Iran and North Korea - the strike will be "struck" allegedly with their missiles.

mafketis
16 Sep 2024  #665

Iran and North Korea

russian allies are garbage fire countries..... why do no decent countries want to have anything to do with you?

Velund
16 Sep 2024  #666

decent countries

List some, please...

cms neuf
16 Sep 2024  #667

Let's start with Poland.

And then our good neighbors in Czech, Lithuania, Sweden, Finland.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the NN intelligence services are not the most trustworthy source. These are the people who brought us the sightseeing in Salisbury story.

mafketis
16 Sep 2024  #668

List some, please...

What about the top ten least corrupt countries.... how many of them are russian allies?

Going in reverse order: Ireland, Luxembourg, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Singapore, Norway, New Zealand, Finland, Denmark

How many russian allies there?

Velund
16 Sep 2024  #669

What about the top ten least corrupt countries....

Who is making this list? I'm sure that North Korea would be one of least corrupt ones, even on Switzerland background. But disqualified, by well known reasons. Western elites don't like regime, so any virtues don't count. ;)

Lithuania

It is one that recently offered full-scale attack to Russia by NATO forces? Decent case for a mental health doctor, hard to find other decency ;)

Alien
16 Sep 2024  #670

sure that North Korea would be one of least corrupt ones,

Nonsense, corruption at every turn, typical of totalitarian systems.

Velund
16 Sep 2024  #671

Nonsense, corruption at every turn, typical of totalitarian systems.

How many people who visited NK you _personally_ know? I have at least 2...

cms neuf
16 Sep 2024  #672

I think the risk of being beaten into a vegetative state, and then released on National news bulletin, puts a few westerners off visiting

mafketis
16 Sep 2024  #673

one russian's idea of a non-corrupt country....

starves millions of people to death

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_North_Korean_famine

the same family is in charge and continues to starve the population to feed its pudgey dicator god....

ipdefenseforum.com/2024/02/north-koreans-starve-amid-regimes-military-spending-arms-deal-with-russia/

lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2024/08/20/north-korea-suffering-from-climate-change-and-from-its-own-refusal-of-foreign-aid-is-threatened-by-food-shortages_6718488_114.html

Has installed a commie style caste system

hrw.org/news/2016/07/05/north-koreas-caste-system

But if you're russia.... you remember 'beggars can't be choosers' and help the norks kill more of their population....

Im still waitinig for somehting russians like that doesn't come from a sewer or isn't stolen....

Velund
16 Sep 2024  #674

Im still waitinig for somehting russians like that doesn't come from a sewer or isn't stolen....

20 kt tactical nuke targeted to a London? ;)

cms neuf
16 Sep 2024  #675

Back to the rusty nukes again - the arm tart and end point for any conversation with North Nigeria

Britain has nukes too, probably theirs have been properly maintained and won't break up on launch.

Bobko
16 Sep 2024  #676

The annual Ukrainian "Yalta European Strategy" (or YES) conference is taking place right now.

There, Radoslaw Sikorsky sat down for an interview with Ukraine's leading national newspaper - "Ukrainska Pravda".

Attaching a link to the full video of the interview in English, below.

Some choice excerpts from Sikorsky's replies, for your enjoyment:

1) - I think you passed the law on mobilization at least a year too late. It was best to pass such laws when you had a lot of volunteers.

But still, what I see in Poland is a little surprising.

I go to a hairdresser in Warsaw, and a young Ukrainian barber cuts my hair. And I have a question for him: "What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be defending your country?"


2) - What is the situation with the announced Ukrainian Legion? The discussion was about creating a volunteer brigade in Poland...

- We have done everything on our part a long time ago. Now we are waiting for Ukrainian conscripts or volunteers.

As far as I understand, thousands of people in Poland have registered in your database to update their place of residence. That is, they reported that they are theoretically available.

But according to my information, there are still not enough volunteers ready to form a brigade.


3) - I have to ask about the so-called Czech initiative to purchase shells for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Gazeta Wyborcza writes that Poland, despite promises, is not funding it. What is going on?

- We have a political decision to allocate 50 million euros this year and another 50 million next year. But there are some technical, administrative and legal issues related to the state agency for strategic reserves.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has done its part. I hope that colleagues from other ministries will do everything too.


4) - ...why have you never attempted to shoot [Russian drones] down that enter Polish territory?

- This confirms my words: we don't even have the means to defend ourselves.

But I agree that we all need to do more together - both to protect Ukrainian nuclear power plants and to protect NATO borders.

I think President Zelensky said that there are air defense systems in Western Europe and beyond that need to be transferred to where they are most needed


These are some excerpts that touch more on the side of Polish aid. However, they also discussed the political problems around the Wolyn and Galician genocide. Will post that part in the appropriate thread.



Bobko
16 Sep 2024  #677

People are beginning to react online to the most explosive part of Sikorsky's interview, where he suggests that EU countries should follow Poland's example and stop paying welfare benefits to Ukrainian males of military age, that claim refugee status in the EU.

Ukrainians living within Ukraine, seem to be largely supportive of this initiative - though they are skeptical that there is any kind of significant number of Ukrainian men that claim welfare. The assumption is that most are working already anyways, and this measure will have no effect in pressuring them to voluntarily return home and enlist.

The Ukrainian men actually living in the EU, are boiling over with sh*t, in their anger at Sikorsky. A pretty typical comment is, "go and sit down with Zelensky in a trench, and wait for a shell to hit you on the head - Sikorsky". Another typical comment is, "War to the last Ukrainian."

In other words, Ukrainian men in the EU are not happy with Sikorsky's suggestion. Also, like their compatriots within Ukraine, they argue that there is only a vanishingly small percentage of men that actually depend on the $1,200 or so of monthly welfare benefits - and that it's impossible to support oneself on this kind of sum.

Long story short - it looks like no one is coming home, whether the welfare benefits are taken off the table or not.

If you want Ukrainians to go back home and fight, you need to actively start deporting them. When that happens, expect an avalanche of legal challenges throughout all the courts of the EU.

mafketis
16 Sep 2024  #678

20 kt tactical nuke targeted to a London? ;)

Mafketis's Law (hat tip to Godwin): As an online political discussion with russians grows longer, the probability of a nuclear threat from the russians approaches 1.

Bobko
16 Sep 2024  #679

Mafketis's Law

A corollary to Mafketis's Law:

"As an online discussion between Westerners and Russians grows longer, the probability of a Westerner employing a eugenicist or racist slur against a Russian approaches 1."

PolAmKrakow
16 Sep 2024  #680

@Bobko
Too many Ukrainian men of fighting age in Poland. The people that came here with money when the invasion first began are settled in and I dont see many of them returning at any point now. Lots of Ukraine women with Polish men now as well.

Ironside
16 Sep 2024  #681

You need to actively start deporting them.

They should be deporting the Ukrainians in Poland breaking the law.
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Bobko
16 Sep 2024  #682

They should be deporting the Ukrainians in Poland breaking the law.

That's not enough to staff even a company-size formation. Let alone a battalion or a brigade.

The initial discussion, was that Poland could train several brigade sized units.

That's what Sikorsky is gently poking fun at, when he says "on the Polish side we have done everything required, but the volunteers still fail to materialize."

You need to start sending all the Ukrainian men that Polish police can get their hands on, in order to provide real muscle to Zelensky.

With Polish training (at least several months, and Not 3 weeks like in Ukraine) and weaponry, the mobilized could become a lethal force on the battlefield in Ukraine.

However, I'm afraid that your Dutch, French, and German allies will throw a fit if Poland is seen loading train cars with Ukrainian deserters.

All of Ukraine, managed to supply only 3,500 men from their prisons when they finally made the decision to copy Russia (in Russia, the number was 40,000). The reason Ukraine mustered so few is because they refused to recruit rapists and murderers, and only drew on people convicted of violent assault, burglary, and fraud.

So I fail to see how Ukrainian criminals in Poland could supply more than 50 men.

mafketis
16 Sep 2024  #683

Not 3 weeks like in Ukraine

or russia.... a convict reports that after signing the contract he was given just three weeks training and that no matter the training given they're just shipped to the front, trained as a drone operator he didn't do that but found himself running from them.

he now says 10 years in prison is preferable to staying in the russian army

x.com/wartranslated/status/1835611038210830838

Crow
16 Sep 2024  #684

Nobody cares about serbia.... the least important country in Europe!

Serbia defended Europe, while papal players in the region allied themselves with worse Arab mujaheedines. Even Poland was monkeynized and via NATO collaborated with Islamic league on Balkan. NATO gave only sh*t to Poland. Awashed Poland in shame and fart.

Racowie still stand ! And Poland betrayed us !

Borghezio Lega Nord torna su Serbo Ratko Mladic : "Lui è un Eroe Nazionale, Garibaldi un Ladro"



Borghezio : "Serbo Ratko Mladic un Vero Patriota, Gigi D'Alessio un Cantante 'Etnico' " (La Zanzara, 27/5/'11)



PolAmKrakow
17 Sep 2024  #685

Putin now orders an increase in the military. Boosting troop numbers by another 180K, and he says he wants the war over by 2026. Right around 2026 is probably when Ukraine will run out of men and will have to lower the conscription age again. Meanwhile, the Kursk incursion and territory captured continues to shrink and Russia is taking back land quickly, while still making advances across the eastern front.

cms neuf
17 Sep 2024  #686

What advances have they made across the eastern front ?

For instance how many km are they from Pokrovsk ? 8 ?

PolAmKrakow
17 Sep 2024  #687

ISW reports have Russia advancing and taking a few villages yesterday in the east. And a rapid advance in Kursk. Now also reporting over one million dead between both sides. If that isnt enough reason to negotiate I dont know what is. A new Washington Post article says Ukraine is bleeding out and cannot fight on forever. Other reports out of Ukraine now saying IF Russia takes Pokrovsk it will be very damaging to whats left of the economy. Meanwhile Pokrovsk now has no water or gas. Regardless of how quickly Russia advances on the city, it is becoming a ghost town.

cms neuf
17 Sep 2024  #688

"A few villages" LOL

Why is it now in doubt that they will take Pokrovsk ? Thought it was a certainty by mid September and after that the open road to the Dnepr ?

mafketis
17 Sep 2024  #689

If that isnt enough reason to negotiate I dont know what is.

I repeat.... russia doesn't want to negotiate (in addiiton to having a proven record of breaking agreements made in negotiations...)



PolAmKrakow
17 Sep 2024  #690

@cms neuf
Ok. What ever your issue is with facts being reported, its your problem. But when Ukraine took some villages in Russia it was a big deal.

@mafketis
Whether Russia wants to negotiate, or not makes no difference. They are planning to fight through 2026 according to what Putin just said. Ukraine will run out of men before that. So Ukraine and Russia will be forced to negotiate eventually. And yes, they probably will break the deal in a few decades. But there is no need to kill off another million men while trying to predict the future of Russia.


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