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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 14



GefreiterKania
25 Sep 2024  #961

nuclear weapons (...)

Geez, we get the point. Only make sure you don't use Sarmat missiles against Poland - the naming of them was an act of gross cultural appropriation in itself; using them against us would be just wrong.

Bobko
25 Sep 2024  #962

naming of them was an act of gross cultural appropriation in itself

We should have named it «Шляхтич». That would be very nice.

GefreiterKania
25 Sep 2024  #963

We should have named it «Шляхтич».

That would be taking the game a bit too far. :-/

mafketis
25 Sep 2024  #964

Main points:

big pile of meaningless word salad meant to frighten the gullible
.... russia couldn't nuke another country if it wanted to.... and it doesn't want to because the psychotic murderers that run russia know they've be the first targets...

ussia.... seeks to prevent the "proliferation of nuclear weapons and their components

I guess that explains the failed sarmat launch...

Miloslaw
25 Sep 2024  #965

big pile of meaningless word salad..

I could not agree more..... Russia does not scare anyone anymore, we see how useless you have been in Ukraine,you will suffer even more against a stronger enemy...... bring it on Russia.... if you really think you are strong enough..... LOL!!

gumishu
25 Sep 2024  #966

I could not agree more.

well - maybe it's just a scare but doesn't Russia sitll have nukes? - maybe you haven't heard but Putin openly said some time ago "Why do we need a world if there is no Russia in it" (I interpret it as: if Russia is no more, the world does not need to exist any further. Sounds pretty ominous to me, considering it was uttered by a leader of a nuclear power)

Novichok
26 Sep 2024  #967

maybe it's just a scare but doesn't Russia sitll have nukes?

Don't worry...Putin is bluffing since they don't have nukes. If they do, it's just rusty junk that won't work.

BTW, that 50 mega-ton bomb they allegedly blew up in 1961 was just a CGI trick. Trust me.

So proceed with those long-distance rockets and bomb the crap out of Moscow and the Kremilin. Even Russians don't like that old drafty building...

cms neuf
26 Sep 2024  #968

It's Ok to bomb Kiev but Moscow is out of bounds ?

In any case Ukraine wants to attack only military targets in North Nigeria

Joker
26 Sep 2024  #969

.Putin is bluffing since they don't have nukes. If they do, it's just rusty junk that won't work.

Putin wont use nukes as the wind will blow the fallout right back at him, duh. Hes keeps bluffing and NATO is petrified as ever. Biden looked like a blathering idiot again today.

Trump will have the war over soon after he is elected... Harris = WWIII

PolAmKrakow
26 Sep 2024  #970

And along the line of talking about Nukes, Vlad just said yesterday he is lowering the bar for using them. If he feels as though Ukraine is attacking Russia with the aid of western powers, he will take it as a dual attack and can authorize the nukes at that time. So, as I have been saying, I think Vlad is quickly approaching a point where he will lose patience with the west and Ukraine. I think a little targeted nuke where he doesnt anticiapte capturing in Ukraine would make Ukraine fold like a house of cards, and the west would say nothing more. After Z's publicity stunt yesterday which was nothing more than a planned democratic election photo op, I think the republicans will now dig in deeper to resist anything for Ukraine.

After Z got done doing his campaigning for Kumala, the republicans are now calling for the removal of the Ukraine ambassador for his part in the photo op and campaigning. Some already calling this stunt election interference. The democrats are sure pulling out everything to make sure the killing doesnt end.

Joker
26 Sep 2024  #971

Vlad just said yesterday he is lowering the bar for using them.

Hes been saying that for a long time now and NATO does nothing at all. So, who going to stop him, Biden? LOL

Perhaps, France will fight back this time?

NATO is a joke and I hope Trump pulls us out of it:)

Novichok
26 Sep 2024  #972

NATO is a joke and I hope Trump pulls us out of it:)

NATO is our enemy. It adds to our risks and nothing to our defense.

Unless Estonia promises to send both of its aircraft carriers to the Golf of Mexico if we get attacked by Panama.

PolAmKrakow
26 Sep 2024  #973

All the people saying "go ahead" and use a nuke are really fvcking stupid. I just read, and did not know, that Europe, has no early warning system at all for any nukes! None! Europe is a sitting duck, and even with nukes, Europe might not be able to launch them with no early warning system. WTF are people thinking? All it takes is for Vlad to say F it and launch a tactical nuke over some city and flatten it and there is not a thing Europe or Ukraine could do about it. Just the thought of these idiots in power messing with the worlds largest nuclear power and thinking of allowing Ukraine to use long range weapons in Russia is beyond belief.

How the fvck doe Europe not have an early warning system after the last 30 years? No one asks that question but everyone wants Ukraine in NATO and the EU? Thats absolutely brainless thinking.

Velund
26 Sep 2024  #974

Unless Estonia promises to send both of its aircraft carriers

For now, estonia decided to ban russian schools in Ida Virumaa region (where about 90% of population is russian speaking). Probably they love ukrainian experience in this matter.

cms neuf
26 Sep 2024  #975

They just tried to flex their missiles with a launch test.

It blew up on the launchpad - 4th time in a row.

There is a high risk, maybe 20 percent, that any nuke launched will explode in North Nigeria itself.

Putler's military will kill him rather than fire a nuke. They are bluffing.

Ah, and now threatening little Estonia from the safety of the 24 hour sushi bar. Will that invasion go as well as the 3 day special operation ? Don't forget the GPS this time.

mafketis
26 Sep 2024  #976

estonia decided to ban russian schools in Ida Virumaa region (where about 90% of population is russian speaking).

Let's rephrase that: A sovereign state decided to ban primary instruction being carried out in the language of a repressive regime that sought to subjugate it in a region were unrepentant descendants of those brought in to erase the state's national identity are in the majority. They will obtain most of the education in the common national language now and are still free to use the language of the oppressor in their daily lives if they mostly want to stay in their ghettoes.

Velund
26 Sep 2024  #977

Let's rephrase that:

So, let's make things clearer. Government of Estonia fail to represent all people living on territory of Estonia, and cannot pretend to territorial integrity principle applied.
As per UN Resolution № 2625 (XXV) dated 24 oct 1970 (as I mentioned some time ago here), the principle of territorial integrity is considered there in relation to states that "respect in their actions the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples <...> and, as a consequence, have governments that represent, without distinction of race, creed or color, all the people living in the territory". Consequently, it can be concluded that the principle of territorial integrity is inapplicable to states that do not represent all peoples living on their territory, fail to ensure equal rights of the peoples living in it, and do not allow free self-determination of such peoples.

mafketis
26 Sep 2024  #978

Government of Estonia fail to represent all people living on territory of Estonia

Au contraire! The Government of Estonia is taking pains to make sure that all those living in the country are prepared for success by knowing the common, national language and not being restricted to a language ghetto.

Velund
26 Sep 2024  #979

prepared for success by knowing the common, national language

Russian language school had Estonian language as mandatory discipline and give enough knowledge of state language as a result.

But enforcing to learn (for example) Mathematics and Physics on Estonian from the start is problematic for kids from russian speaking families, and decrease quality of education for predominantly russian speaking kids. So, it is form of discrimination on a native language basis. See message above.

cms neuf
26 Sep 2024  #980

North Nigeria would invade a country because of he language used in maths lessons ?

mafketis
26 Sep 2024  #981

Estonian from the start is problematic for kids from russian speaking families

because..... not so smart?

Velund
26 Sep 2024  #982

because..... not so smart?

Equally smart to polish childrens that forced to learn Math in Finnish....

gumishu
26 Sep 2024  #983

Equally smart to polish childrens that forced to learn Math in Finnish....

I'm with you on the subject (even if somewhat begrudgingly)

mafketis
26 Sep 2024  #984

polish childrens that forced to learn Math in Finnish....

Polish children in Finland should absolutely be forced to learn Math in Finnish.

What about Uzbek kids in Moscow? Do they get Uzbek schools or do they have to learn math in very alien (to them) russian.

PolAmKrakow
26 Sep 2024  #985

@mafketis
By your argument everyone in the United States should be forced to speak English. Yet you would argue against that in another thread.

Ukraine has made Russian nearly illegal to use, and I dont think Russia has said Ukrainian is a problem. The west has a lot of double standards everyone likes to ignore. Like its ok for the US to bomb anyone it thinks it should, or that NATO shouldnt pay attendtion to Russia's claims, but Russia should pay attention to what NATO says is the right thing to do, and the people the US bombs just deserved it without explanation.

cms neuf
26 Sep 2024  #986

Is there somewhere in the US where the public schools don't teach English ?

Would Mexico invade California to force schools to teach math in Spanish ?

Estonians can run their country how they like, within the rules of the EU - they don't need drunks and rapists telling the, how to behave

mafketis
26 Sep 2024  #987

your argument everyone in the United States should be forced to speak English

No. My argument is that the public schools have a duty to make sure that students have a firm grounding in the common, national language. Outside of class people can speak what they want.

I am in favor of publicly funded bilingual education in some cases (in the US that would be for Native Americans, and heritage French and Spanish speakers in places where those languages predate US control (not everywhere) maybe a handful of others.

Immigrant groups who want their kids to speak their language should pay for that themselves.

In other countries you have to take historical factors into consideration.

I see no reason for the Estonian government to specially fund schools in russian. If the parents want to pay for extra lessons then okay.

Lots of room in russia if those in question would prefer life there....

Velund
26 Sep 2024  #988

Immigrant groups who want their kids to speak their language should pay for that themselves.

Russians in Narva and Ida Virumaa is not immigrant group. Narva with vicinity transferreed by Bolsheviks to not yet independed Estland guberny november 16, 1917, and was predominantly russian speaking (nothing changed since then - about 90% Russians). Locals live there all their lives, pay taxes, and have right to choose which language to use for main disciplines (other than state language) in schools. BTW - AFAIK there was monolingual estonian language school as well.

mafketis
26 Sep 2024  #989

Narva with vicinity transferreed by Bolsheviks to not yet independed Estland

That was then, this is now.

I wonder how much better for russians life would be if they weren't so bound and determined to live in the past...

russians in occupied Königsberg are immigrants. If you want countries to respect that border then you respect other countries' borders.

Why is this difficult?

Collectively russians are like the crazy old ladies in Grey Gardens... dreams of grandeur while living in garbage....


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Velund
26 Sep 2024  #990

russians in occupied Königsberg are immigrants.

Poles in occupied Pomerania and Danzig then immigrants as well. When you plan to return this lands to a rightful owners? (Modern Poland was one of most active destructors of Yalta-based world order that gives Pomerania to Poland, of course).


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