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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 14



Bobko
30 Aug 2024  #121

how is the non war going nowadays?

Quite well actually, thanks for asking!

Seven kilometers left to Pokrovsk.

Miloslaw
30 Aug 2024  #122

Reports have surfaced claiming that foreign mercenaries are participating in the ongoing conflict in Russia's Kursk region.

Probably true.I am certain that British Special Forces and not just mercenaries have been helping Ukraine for quite a while now.

mafketis
30 Aug 2024  #123

Seven kilometers left to Pokrovsk.

How much was the check to Jake "I Luv russia" Sullivan?

Novichok
30 Aug 2024  #124

Seven kilometers left to Pokrovsk.

No!!!

You mean Ukraine is not winning??? I am shocked!!! That's all I hear on PF.

I get it. Ukraine is evil because they ...

...are still in Donbas ... a Russian territory, dumbass...

To their great credit, Russians are doing their very best to convince them to leave with the minimum civilian losses. That's why it takes longer...

Velund
31 Aug 2024  #125

You mean Ukraine is not winning???

You misheard. Ukraine is whining.

Novichok
31 Aug 2024  #126

Hey, Z, you have a lot of nerve to have your troops in Russia kill Russians and bit*ch that the US is not providing enough stuff to defend ... Ukraine. WTF!

So here is my suggestion...Take your guys in Donbas back to Ukraine and you will be amazed by the results. Those evil Russians may actually stop shooting!!!

Novichok
31 Aug 2024  #127

Ukraine shows us, never ever choose a comedian as President.

You will be better off with a puppet or a retard...

PolAmKrakow
31 Aug 2024  #128

An F16 crashes either due to pilot error, or mechanical failure, and Zelensky fires the Air Force commander. Just another level of stupidity from Z. How TF was this commander, who for nearly 3 years has done one hell of a job, responsible for one plan crash while on a mission?

As of this morning, Russia is less than 8 km from Pokrovsk. One report estimating that the city will fall in a few days. This is a critical city for Ukraine to hold, and its now looking like the Ukraine move to Kursk is not the best decision. And Russia just keeps sending more men. Ukraine keeps losing more men to smuggling out of the country. I am guessing if Trump wins, Vlad loads up men for a last big push before Trump gets in office, and if Harris wins, Vlad just keeps plugging awa until Harris is dumb enough to trigger WW3 and then we are all fvcked.

Alien
31 Aug 2024  #129

Harris is dumb enough to trigger WW3 and then we are all fvcked.

Why such fatalistic thoughts. This war is just a local conflict that is mainly about testing new technologies. It will last for some time. 5-7 years?

Bobko
31 Aug 2024  #130

A perfect Russian morning...

You wake up, and see Poles and Ukrainians going after each other on Twitter. This follows on the heels of another masterpiece of Ukrainian diplomacy yesterday, where foreign minister Kuleba again stepped in a deep pile of sh*t.

This account, WarVehicleTracker, used to have a Ukrainian flag in his profile for the first two years of the war. Very much a pro-Ukrainian fellow for most of the time. But even the most patient people have limits, hahaha.


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Bobko
31 Aug 2024  #131

Fine, fine weather today!

Lechite and Hoholite sh*t is boiling.


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PolAmKrakow
31 Aug 2024  #132

@Alien
You clearly dont know Kumala and the MIC of the United States. So, allow me to predict how a Harris admin will react to Ukraine. They will double down on sending existing equipment from US stock piles. Then in the name of "support" the US will send more teams of "advisers" to work in the field in Ukraine. Then some US advisers will be killed, and the the Democratic party of never ending wars will send actual troops in from Rzeszow, where there are now about 40K waiting. Then things will really get exciting.

This war wont go on for 5 to 7 years. Ukraine will be out of men by then. The only way this ends is either negotiating that is forced on both Russia and Ukraine, or WW3. There is no middle of the road solution.

Ironside
31 Aug 2024  #133

Foreign Minister Kuleba

I wonder if he is stupid, arrogant, primitive beyond belief, or retarded, or maybe works for Moscow.
I mean he is a minister he should be self-disciplined about issues even if he thinks what is on a subject.
I don't even mean Wolyn and his interpretations of the issue but he talks about Ukrainian land talking about land that is a part of the Polish state, Is he questioning borders is claims to some Polish lands? I mean he can believe any nonsense he wants but he is talking as a representative of his country. How are we supposed to understand it?
Of course, our planks called politicians didn't say much.

mafketis
31 Aug 2024  #134

They will double down on sending existing equipment from US stock piles.

While placing crippling restrictions on how they can be used....

he only way this ends is either negotiating that is forced on both Russia and Ukraine, or WW3

This is basically a dress rehearsal for WWIII which both russia and China want.... the best option for the west is for them to go after each other....

There's been a strong drift toward dictators and dictator like figures (very much like the run up to WWII)

Dictators = wars

GefreiterKania
31 Aug 2024  #135

land that is a part of the Polish state

According to him, in Akcja Wisła Ukrainians were resettled from Ukrainian lands*. And this is not the first time when Kuleba stirs sh*t.

works for Moscow

Quite likely. There are few politicians whose actions would be so damaging to Polish-Ukrainian relations.

our planks called politicians didn't say much

It's an old phenomenon, quite widespread among Polish politicians - it's called cowardice.

* Закерзоння, and all that...

Zakerzonie

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakerzonie

Mr Grunwald
31 Aug 2024  #136

According to him

Another victim competition... Big deal?

Winged Hussars didn't win at Vienna by thinking their victims of Ottomons.

Whether it's true or not.

This mentality needs to be burrowed, put a cross over and never be visited again.

This just give us the opportunity to demand human excevations before any deal or anything get's signed. Maybe then "im rozum do głowy przyjdzie"

Ironside
31 Aug 2024  #137

And this is not the first time when Kuleba stirs sh*t.

If he works for Moscow how come others didn't notice and keep him in the government?
As well you know I'm all for getting back our ancient Poland lands with a crown jewel the Polish city of Lwów from those upstarts but I would not say so in any official capacity unless it was an official line of my state.
So my question i are they ignorant and arrogant people or that is an official line of the Ukrainian state?

GefreiterKania
31 Aug 2024  #138

are they ignorant and arrogant people or that is an official line of the Ukrainian state?

It's not an official Ukrainian position.

After the whole sh*t storm in the social media, Kuleba said that Ukraine doesn't have any territiorial claims on Poland and that by "Ukrainian lands" he only meant those that were inhabited by large groups of Ukrainians (by this definition Wrocław and Gdańsk, for example, are Ukrainian now :)).

If he is not a Moscow's agent, then he definitely is a person who should be more careful with his choice of words.

Ironside
31 Aug 2024  #139

After the whole sh*t storm in the social media, Kuleba said that Ukraine doesn't have any territiorial claims on Poland

BS, sounds like they do.
Do you think he just casually said what he said?

mafketis
31 Aug 2024  #140

I'm all for getting back our ancient Poland lands with a crown jewel the Polish city of Lwów

Would you make a deal with the russians for that?

What about Vilnius? Would you invade to 'reclaim' it?

GefreiterKania
31 Aug 2024  #141

Do you think he just casually said what he said?

He probably didn't bite his tongue when he should have done so.

One thing is Ukraine's official stance (no territorial claims on Poland) and another is what some of their politicians might think. One thing is certain, Kuleba should be replaced with someone more skillful in diplomacy... or, on the other hand, maybe it's better to keep him here. Keep your friends close and enemies closer, and all that.

PolAmKrakow
31 Aug 2024  #142

While placing crippling restrictions on how they can be used

And this is exactly why the US has no business being involved at all in this war. Period.

There is not a strong drift toward dictators, there is a strong drift against the globalists positions. There is no such thing as differences uniting people, it is differences that keep people divided. Africans have no business in Europe, and Europeans have no business in Africa. It is not the US responsibility to save Ukraine, it is Ukraines, and Europes if Europe so desires.

Russia doesnt want another world war, but I believe Vlad wants another cold war. Cold war was good for Russia and the US, while keeping China starving. China's economy is collapsing, and thats another reason both China and Russia fear Trump. Terrifs on China goods, and the threat of a war with Trump after losing all those men and equipment will make Vlad think twice about anything.

Bratwurst Boy
31 Aug 2024  #143

Now it gets interesting...Putin is losing support since/because of Kursk!

....The Public Opinion Foundation, a Russian state-owned polling institution, published a poll on August 30 that it conducted on August 25 showing that 28 percent of respondents expressed outrage or dissatisfaction with the actions of Russian authorities over the past month.[13] This is up from 25 percent and 18 percent in polls that the Public Opinion Foundation conducted on August 11 and July 28, respectively.[14]

Respondents to the Public Opinion Foundation poll have not expressed such high dissatisfaction since polling conducted in November 2022, following the first month of the deeply unpopular partial mobilization in Russia.[15] The Russian state-owned Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) noted that Putin's approval rating fell by 3.5 percent to 73.6 percent between August 12 and 18 - a record fall in Putin's approval rating, even among Kremlin pollsters, since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.[16] ....


understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-30-2024

I guess these approval ratings will sink even further the longer the Kusk-disaster goes on....are they to low then it will become dangerous for those "high above"!



johnny reb
31 Aug 2024  #144

And this is exactly why the US has no business being involved at all in this war. Period.

But look at all the $$$$ money the U.S. military complex is making off it without losing U.S. soldiers or equipment while testing all their new weapons.
This war is making a lot of people wealthy.
The U.S. hasn't been able to justify their involvement however NOW they are using the old weapons of mass destruction excuse that they used in Iraq that Russia is using chemical weapons.
There are over 4,000 reports of chemical weapons being used on Ukraine's front line by Russia.
That could justify NATO's involvement if true.
And if Harris gets elected it will be a guarantee that we will have WW3.

mafketis
31 Aug 2024  #145

ussia doesnt want another world war

The evidence points to russia wanting exactly that.... why invade if they don't want war? Why engage in imperialist rhetoric for years if they don't want war?

War against neighbors is an inherent part of russian identity and the russian socio-political system (why both are so retarded).

PolAmKrakow
31 Aug 2024  #146

@mafketis
There is zero evidence Russia wants a world war. The only evidence of anything is Russia claims Ukraine is theirs and that their statehood is pretty much illegal. War against neighnors inherent part of Russian identity? What about Germany and Frances identities? All the feelings in the world provide no proof of facts that Russia wants a world war, or that China wants one.

Russia knows the US has way too many soldiers stationed in Europe. And its those soldiers that are the deterant, not anyone elses. No US militatry in Europe? Then thats a different situation.

Novichok
31 Aug 2024  #147

why invade if they don't want war?

Russia didn't invade anybody. Russian troops are at home - in Russia. It's the UA that is an invader and a squatter that refuses to go home.

Even the US and the UN don't claim that Russia invaded anyone since it's impossible to invade yourself. Duh!

If Kosovo, Canada, and Scotland can have a self-determination referendum so can Donbas and Crimea.

Is every Polak an imbecile?

......showing that 28 percent of respondents expressed outrage or dissatisfaction with the actions of Russian authorities ...

What???

Some Polak here told us recently that if you criticize Putin you end up in a gulag forever...

So the POS lied?

Bratwurst Boy
31 Aug 2024  #148

...yeah....I pondered that myself.....are these real polls as in the West?

But even if not, and only selected people are asked....and even if these people can't answer truthfully....these numbers are astounding.

Novichok
31 Aug 2024  #149

And this is exactly why the US has no business being involved at all in this war. Period.

Couldn't say it any better...

I will add this: The US has no business being in NATO and playing the world's dumbest cop who takes risks but doesn't get paid.

With me as president, NATO would be the most profitable US operation ever or we are done and gone...

are these real polls as in the West?

Western polls are like this:

Should we close the border and make little children cry?

Ironside
31 Aug 2024  #150

Putin is losing support since/because of Kursk!

does he? It is always the same he faces criticism if he loses or it appears that he loses, that is the way with Rusian Tsars and always had been.


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