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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 18



cms neuf
2 Feb 2025  #841

I am talking clearly about US imports.

And yes it will take them time to replace things. in my own industry high spec production is concentrated in Japan, France and Italy. It would take the US maybe 3 years to build similar facilities.

But as I said little point in arguing with you

mafketis
2 Feb 2025  #842

Until the 20th century, the US was funded on tariffs, not taxes. It was the best of times in the US.

In a lot of ways, the best time of the US was the Great Compression. Both Trump and I are children of that. It was a time of low immigration and less stratification* and more optimistic rather than pessimistic and some long standing problems were addressed (worker rights and civil rights first and foremost).
Almost everything that the neoliberal era brought was trying to roll back good things about the Great Compression (mexican immigration exploded under Reagan) and create a more divided society (as in our Neo-gilded Age).

One of the arguments against large scaled immigration is that it inevitably increases stratification and if not well-managed can create an underclass were there was none before it.

cms neuf
2 Feb 2025  #843

The implication being that Mexican immigration is somehow worse than Irish or Polish or Italian immigration ?

With Americans, even smart ones, politics always comes back to race at some point

mafketis
2 Feb 2025  #844

Mexican immigration is somehow worse than Irish or Polish or Italian immigration

Not at all... large scale Irish and Polish and Italian immigration also absolutely increased inequality which is one reason that immigration was drastically reduced in 1921.

Find a place that has large scale immigration without increasing inequality.

cms neuf
2 Feb 2025  #845

Don't know - Australia maybe, Canada, NZ ?

Certainly not the US or Argentina etc

cms neuf
2 Feb 2025  #846

Back on topic, it seems the starving North Koreans have left the front line - Kim's idea was that they gained battlefield experience

And indeed they did - getting quickly wiped out by drones, missiles and modern artillery. I genuinely feel sorry for those poor wretches

mafketis
2 Feb 2025  #847

Australia maybe

bsl.org.au/news-events/media-releases/poverty-is-persistent-and-growing-in-australia/

Canada

cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-highest-level-income-inequality-recorded-1.7349077

NZ ?

inequality.org.nz/understand/

Bratwurst Boy
2 Feb 2025  #848

Interesting....that headline just showed usually good informed german BILD:
(Google translation though)

Kim's soldiers suddenly disappeared

bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/kursk-laesst-er-putin-im-stich-kims-soldaten-ploetzlich-verschwunden-679ce710d72ca12c3499b79d?source=puerto-reco-2_bild-V17.0.D_NewInterestModel

...Ukraine says it believes that North Korean soldiers stationed in the western Russian region of Kursk have been ordered to withdraw.

▶︎ Because: "In the past three weeks, we have not seen or detected any activity or armed clashes with the North Koreans," said the spokesman for the Ukrainian special forces, Colonel Olexander Kindratenko, according to the portal "Ukraijinska Pravda".....

.....

North Korea expert Frederic Spohr, director of the Friedrich Naumann Foundation in South Korea, explains in BILD: "Whether the North Koreans will actually withdraw has yet to be conclusively assessed. What is clear, however, is that Kim cannot sacrifice too many soldiers in order not to come under domestic political pressure. If the losses are too great, this could lead to him only supplying weapons to Russia."....


johnny reb
2 Feb 2025  #849

Where is YOUR area? Are you anywhere near New Hampshire?

No
I am located about 16 hours West by road from New Hampshire.
Over 1000 miles away. (1600km)
Europeans don't understand how big the United States is
Bring Lenka with as I would like to meet her in person

Ironside
2 Feb 2025  #850

Bring Lenka with

lol! Ask her to come, if she agrees she can come with me.
I'm not going to look for her on the islands.
Then what? - I'm going to kidnap her, take her to the US, and drive 16 hours with her in my boot.
Don't you think it would be a tad too harsh on her?
I'm great but I'm not James Bond or Transporter.
Anyway, it is just under a two-hour flight so it is not so bad but I digress.
I do realize Johnny that your intention behind that invitation was mockery aimed at Novi, I did not take it seriously. I was curious if your location is agreeable which I meant convenient for me in the US. It isn't, it is as out of the way as Chicago.

johnny reb
2 Feb 2025  #851

she can come with me.

She can come by herself with a direct flight right into Detroit.
As untrusting as the poor girl is however, I think that would be a slim chance and slim just left town.

I do realize Johnny that your intention behind that invitation was mockery aimed at Novi,

It was as he has to buy his friends by giving them guns or buying them lunch.
How many times have you heard him desperately use that line, "I will buy lunch or coffee if you will meet with me."
I would still pick up the tab for a night out on the town by chance we ever did meet just because you have always been a friend to me here.
I didn't have to buy you first like Y.K.W.

Tacitus
2 Feb 2025  #852

@Bratwurst Boy

What is clear, however, is that Kim cannot sacrifice too many soldiers in order not to come under domestic political pressure.

Interesting, isn't it? One would assume that Kim could easily afford such losses. I mean what are a few thousand lifes to someone like him? However I've read some time ago that most NK soldiers are in fact needed to literally keep the economy running. Most of them work on fields with simple tools, and NK is always one bad harvest away from a famine. So yeah, losing too many (for NK standards) fit men could become costly in the long run.

Novichok
2 Feb 2025  #853

large scaled immigration is that it inevitably increases stratification and if not well-managed

You don't manage invasions. You shoot to kill the invading hordes. See Poland.

So yeah, losing too many (for NK standards) fit men could become costly in the long run.

...but not to Ukraine where dying for "freedom, democracy, and corruption" is the most patriotic thing a man can do.

If he refuses, he should be called a surrender boy and shot.

Hey, Tacitus, before you post, always think if it can be used against you.

Dumb *******...

Miloslaw
2 Feb 2025  #854

When the US slaps tariff X on German cars, X is a tax on German cars payable by Germany to the US Treasury.

It won't stop Yanks buying German cars, current American cars are crap and Yanks will continue to buy German and Japanese, just as we do in the UK.

Alien
2 Feb 2025  #855

continue to buy German and Japanese, just as we do in the UK.

I read that the Lexus LS has only sold 3 times in the last year in the UK, which is why Lexus has crossed the LS off its list.

Novichok
2 Feb 2025  #856

continue to buy German and Japanese, just as we do in the UK.

I read that the Lexus LS has only sold 3 times in the last year in the UK,

Three reasons:

1. It's not an EV
2. It's not an SUV
3. It's a V8

Three reasons why I like mine.

johnny reb
3 Feb 2025  #857

Three reasons why I like mine.

Should stuff like that be posted on Face Book and not here.

Meanwhile to get back On - Topic........
Russia has issued a stern warning that any assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin would trigger a nuclear response, echoing an expert's warnings that a 'collapsing' Russia could resort to nuclear war.

Novichok
3 Feb 2025  #858

Should stuff like that be posted on Face Book and not here.

Get off my back, azhole...

Why the fvck didn't you say the same thing in response to #855, Sheriff? Duh!

Tacitus
3 Feb 2025  #859

@Novichok

but not to Ukraine where dying for "freedom, democracy, and corruption" is the most patriotic thing a man can do.

Yep. Ukrainians are fighting for these things in a war that has been forced upon them by Russia in their country. NK are sent to die in a war that has nothing to do with them, at the other side of the globe, by a leadership that keeps them at near-starvation levels so that the fat Kim can enjoy his life in luxury.

Novichok own goal, 1000+x.

Novichok
3 Feb 2025  #860

Yep. Ukrainians are fighting for these things in a war that has been forced upon them...

How are Ukrainians currently living in Crimea less free and less democratic?

Name three things...

johnny reb
3 Feb 2025  #861

How are Ukrainians currently living in Crimea less free and less democratic?

Seriously ? does face palm plant

Should stuff like that be posted on Face Book and not here.

Get off my back, azhole...

Oh, do we have double standards here now.
Do as I say, not as I do. lol

polishforums.com/off-topic/random-chat-88757/25/#msg2012870

I was just mocking you posting the same exact line but you can't take it can you. Hoot !

Novichok
3 Feb 2025  #862

Oh, do we have double standards here now.

Only a masochistic azhole applies the same standards to his enemies and himself...

Get married, adopt a kid, and then tell me something about standards not being the same...

What a moron...

johnny reb
3 Feb 2025  #863

tell me something about standards

I just did.
You posted to play god and diminish me with:
Telling everybody about fishing, boating, and what he had for dinner is good for Facebook, not this forum.

So then when I turned the table on you and put the shoe on the other foot with:
Three reasons:

1. It's not an EV
2. It's not an SUV
3. It's a V8

Should stuff like that be posted on Face Book and not here.

You have a meltdown and cry foul.
Now you want to change the subject since I have your feet to the fire and your defense attorney Joker is not here to gang up on me and bail you out with his diminishments.
You should know better than to go one on one with me Dummy. 🤪
You ain't as smart as you claim you are.

PolAmKrakow
3 Feb 2025  #864

rferl.org/a/ukraine-labor-shortage-refugee-return-unity-hubs/33300521.html

Another read for all the war supporters. Ukrainian people are not going to leave the west to go back and rebuild. Why would they? They can work earn, save, and not have the burden of trying to do that while also rebuilding in Ukraine. Ukraine women are getting married to westerners and they sure wont be going back. As we reach three years into this war, the prospects for Ukraine are not becoming brighter.

mafketis
3 Feb 2025  #865

Another read for all the war supporters.

Define 'war supporters' and explain how Ukraine is responsible for prolonging the war.....

cms neuf
3 Feb 2025  #866

They are even less likely to return to Ukraine if it is overrun by drunk rapists who defecate in their gardens and will have looted their homes

mafketis
3 Feb 2025  #867

As we reach three years into this war, the prospects for Ukraine are not becoming brighte

Thank you Moscow Rose.

amiga500
3 Feb 2025  #868

Thank you Moscow Rose.

It's called reality, as in facts and not your feelings.

PolAmKrakow
3 Feb 2025  #869

@mafketis
War supporters.....those of you who want Ukraine to keep fighting instead of trying to negotiate. In other words, those of you who support a generation of Ukrainian people being wiped out for the sake of keeping Russia off of Polands doorstep. Thank you for once again showing your true name calling colors. You put the TARD in Retarded.

cms neuf
3 Feb 2025  #870

But Putler has said, this week, very clearly that he won't negotiate with Ukraine's internationally recognized leadership.

North Nigeria clearly wants to continue fighting


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