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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19



Ironside
2 Mar 2025  #1111

You are being too much of an optimist.

I' a realist but I don't panic or get excited by some rumors.
We will see what will happen. So far, there is always a space for a good negotiation and deals.
If you know what you're doing, that is not a big deal.
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Conservatives have just won the election in Germany.

That is good for us because they won't push green agenda in the EU? Will they give a fair deal to Poland - doubt it, conservatives or liberal, still they are German.
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Trump wants

Who knows what Trump truly wants, also plans change and are modified. It is a good time to make deals, but it needs someone who knows what he is doing, not some random characters, aka Polish politicians.
Nobody in Ukraine wants "

Geez, you are embarrassing, will you go back to the kitchen and stay there?

Bobko
2 Mar 2025  #1112

first you lure countries to your side, giving them false feeling of safety

This kind of irritates me, because it goes at the heart of this war. Our Ukrainian brothers claim also daily that they were lured, and now feel abandoned.

Nobody lured you fools, you set yourself on the hook.

And even if you were lured - are you a child?

In Ukraine's case she got lured by an old fat woman with literal cookies (Victoria Nuland). If a clutch of cookies is enough to lure you, maybe you are not thinking very strategically?

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Don't say you were lured, because everyone saw how cynically you lot behaved.

Normal countries, that actually fought with America side by side through some of its toughest moments - had refused to follow the American lead into Iraq. But Ukraine and Poland - champions of American freedom - they send their forces to Iraq.

Along with countries like Micronesia, Uzbekistan, Tonga, Nicaragua, Mongolia, the Marshall Islands, and others that joined Bush's "Coalition of the Willing".

Micronesia and Honduras were also "lured", I presume, by American offers of protection against a potential Russian invasion.

No Paulina. All the late entrants joined NATO for very self serving reasons.

For some it meant whitewashing a corrupt regime that was on the verge of being turned into an international pariah.

For others, it was a clever way of demonstrating to Russia that "we have options". In other words, using the threat of NATO as a means of extracting concessions out of Russia.

Finally for others it was a gamble that America might renew their armed forces essentially for free - by passing on American hand me downs in exchange for legacy Soviet equipment. For many of those that went into Iraq this gamble paid off.

Nobody lured you.

Vesko Vukovic
2 Mar 2025  #1113

What the Heck Was Zelensky Thinking?

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This was a colossal miscalculation by Zelensky. Trump has never accepted the idea that Ukraine is doing the United States a favor by fighting Russia as a way of justifying unlimited aid. Perhaps Joe Biden found that argument persuasive, but Joe Biden is not in office anymore. Russia is not going to invade the United States or any NATO country (if for no other reason than a lack of capability), and using that as a type of blackmail for support was never going to play.

redstate.com/bonchie/2025/02/28/zelensky-just-made-one-of-the-dumbest-most-self-destructive-decisions-in-foreign-policy-history-n2186129

Ironside
2 Mar 2025  #1114

This kind of irritates me

Why are you debating people who can't distinguish between propaganda and reality? Is that because it is easy to feed them your propaganda?

Paulina
2 Mar 2025  #1115

So far I don't even know what this peace deal is supposed to look like and what are the conditions of both sides and what they're willing to agree to.

And whether RuSSia even actually wants a peace deal right now... And what is Trump's plan exactly? Sucking up to RuSSia, repeating their propaganda, sh1tting on Zelensky, Ukraine and the US allied countries? Is that his "genius plan"? I'm asking because he claimed he'll end this war in a day - noone else claimed that...

Our Ukrainian brothers claim also daily that they were lured, and now feel abandoned.

So do RuSSians claim that they believed the West and the West cheated them (NATO enlargement). So, were you children or what? :D

Don't say you were lured

I'm talking about empty promises that apparently the West isn't willing to fulfill. Like Ukraine in NATO, in the EU, etc. Why give such countries hope and then throw them under the bus? This is what not only irritates me, but pisses me off. Besides this costing human lives it makes the West look bad.

All the late entrants joined NATO for very self serving reasons.

Well, duh! lol Everybody is joining NATO for their own security and what did you think? o_O

Vesko Vukovic
2 Mar 2025  #1116

Duda says, Zelenko must be obedient. 🙂

After the scandal in the White House, Polish President Andrzej Duda called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to return to the negotiating table with the United States. He does not see any other power in the world except the USA that would be able to stop Russia's aggression, Duda said in Warsaw.

pawian
2 Mar 2025  #1117

Zelensy doesn`t need to apologise to MAGA gangsters. The US has an obligation to extend any help to Ukraine tjhat she needs.

Torq
2 Mar 2025  #1118

He does not see any other power in the world except the USA that would be able to stop Russia's aggression, Duda said in Warsaw.

But he told Putin not to sh*t himself - is he now, without such evident American support for Europe, perhaps regretting the hasty words? Or maybe he was genuinely worried about his fellow president's regular bowel movements and we - as usual - misinterpreted his brotherly concern. :) Ah, "the world is a comedy" as someone wise once said.

The US has an obligation

What? The Budapest Memorandum? Unfortunately, everybody now sh*ts on the international legal rule based order, so Budapest Memorandum is no more than a toilet paper (and a low quality one at that).

pawian
2 Mar 2025  #1119

Unfortunately, everybody now sh*ts on the international legal rule based order,

OK. So when Am crazy MAGA gangster demands apology from Zelensky, I will offer to shyt on him and we`ll see how happy he will be. hahahaha

keep em coming

OK, our feces is flying towards you!!! Enjoy!!! hahaha

Paulina
2 Mar 2025  #1120

Unfortunately, everybody now sh*ts on the international legal rule based order

And that's what actually may probably lead to World War III at some point in the future, I'm afraid...

jon357
2 Mar 2025  #1121

Am crazy MAGA gangster

The orcs and the orc sympathisers always spam this thread when things are going badly for them

PolAmKrakow
2 Mar 2025  #1122

@Paulina
You really are just another left wing nutcase. Z was demanding and disrespectful. He is no equal to a United States President or Vice President. He is a beggar and a fool who was used by Boris and Biden. Now his time is coming to a merciless end, thank god.

Its long over due that not only Z but every other EU leader understand where they are in the pecking order.

jon357
2 Mar 2025  #1123

was demanding and disrespectful

And trumpet and his sidekick vance weren't??

He is no equal to a United States President

No. He is head and shoulders above that orange sociopath.

pawian
2 Mar 2025  #1124

fool who was used by Boris and Biden.

And Americans of 1990s.
Kania suggested it is allowed to shyt on American gangsters. We are doing it now. Ha!!!

jon357
2 Mar 2025  #1125

it is allowed to shyt on American gangsters

It is the moral duty of all right-thinking people.

Torq
2 Mar 2025  #1126

every other EU leader understand where they are in the pecking order

:)

You're not a very good psychologist, are you? Have you ever been humiliated by anybody? If yes, then what were your feelings and possibly later actions towards this person? So maybe - just maybe - you might want to reconsider whether you really want to humiliate "every other EU leader".

pawian
2 Mar 2025  #1127

It is the moral duty of all right-thinking people.

Exactly!!! In the name of decency!!!! Shyt on you, MAGA gangsters!!!! Now I am turning on my fan to reach you faster!!!! hahahaha buhahaha

While remembering there are millions of decent Americans. Hats off to them.

Paulina
2 Mar 2025  #1128

You really are just another left wing nutcase.

No, I'm not. Tell me what is "leftwing" or "nuts" in my comments? You just claim that because I disagree with you.

Z was demanding and disrespectful.

No, he wasn't. He was just reacting to disrespect coming from Trump and Vance and he was explaining Ukrainian point of view.

He is no equal to a United States President or Vice President. (...) Its long over due that not only Z but every other EU leader understand where they are in the pecking order.

You're talking like a classic RuSSian imperialist. This kind of mentality and treatment is exactly why we don't want to have anything to do with RuSSia. I see that your American mask is off... I guess better now then later. Poland will have more time to prepare.

Ironside
2 Mar 2025  #1129

OK, our feces
OK, circums came to town, we can enjoy monkey performance.
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jon3[quote57]It is the moral duty of all right-thinking people.[/quote]
You mean to say left-thinking people.

Vesko Vukovic
2 Mar 2025  #1130

Zelensy doesn`t need to apologise to MAGA gangsters. The US has an obligation to extend any help to Ukraine tjhat she needs.

and the migrants in EU will convert to Christianity and all problems will be solved, the hungry will be fed, the thirsty will be watered, the blind will begin to see.

Bobko
2 Mar 2025  #1131

Why are you debating people

Paulina is one of the few women who seems to be willing to engage with this subject. Lenka doesn't bother. Neither does Atch.

It's interesting to me what women think. It's always surprising, haha!

Is that because it is easy to feed them your propaganda?

I don't think Paulina is a good example of someone who has been consuming Bobko propaganda in disciplined fashion.

No no, instead witness my most prized student. My proudest achievement - PolAmKrakow!

From "HAPPY GULAG B*TCHES" to "shut the f*ck up Zelensky".

As someone said in the Bible - "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

Torq
2 Mar 2025  #1132

From "HAPPY GULAG B*TCHES" to "shut the f*ck up Zelensky".

:D

We should go easy on the guy - his head is still spinning after the U-turn.

Bobko
2 Mar 2025  #1133

:D

I'd like to imagine that what I do here is not propaganda.

Propaganda is for the masses. It is retail. It is dumbed down for the lowest common denominator, and is by necessity a numbers game.

Instead, I would prefer to imagine a friendly conversation in a smoke filled den - where questions of recruitment are decided.

When recruiting, you do not want to deal with propaganda. The fish most likely to end up on the other side of the hook would be a fanatic then, and these are notoriously unreliable. At least, that's what John Le Carre has taught me.

pawian
2 Mar 2025  #1134

circums came to town

Exactly! Hurry up to get circimsized at last!!! it has been your dream for decades!

I see that your American mask is off

It was a huge mistake to give him a Polish passport.

my most prized student. My proudest achievement - PolAmKrakow!

Can you take him back to the US??? We have enough homo sovieticuses of true Polish origin. Why do we need to accept foreign ones???

Bratwurst Boy
2 Mar 2025  #1135

Ukraine: Leaders vow to keep up support at London summit

dw.com/en/ukraine-leaders-vow-to-keep-up-support-at-london-summit/live-71796609

I wonder what will come out of it....they are all there!



PS: Merz made his first "inaugural visit" as soon-to-be-Chancellor to Macron in Paris....observers say the difference to not-much-longer-Chancellor Scholz was considerable.
Maybe a new start for the french-german thingie! :)

Novichok
2 Mar 2025  #1136

Nobody in the EU wants the war to continue, including Poland.

BS. The best way to continue a was is by taking refugees. Then the war can drag on forever...

But to the stupid broads like you men are expendable.
It's interesting to me what women think.

I don't give a fvck what women think about wars.

When they will be draftable, I will.give a fvck.

Bobko
2 Mar 2025  #1137

Can you take him back to the US?

I think that the only correct place to take him would be the GULAG, no?

Jokes aside. It is the sign of a weak intellect if you cannot change your mind about something.

I think this shows PAK in a good light, if anything.

johnny reb
2 Mar 2025  #1138

And that's what actually may probably

Which is it, actually or probably ?
what actually may probably lead to World War III at some point in the future,

Its already started
Putin struck a cargo ship with missiles to "sink" it after unconfirmed Russian sources alleged that the ship carried British weapons to aid Ukraine.

Ironside
2 Mar 2025  #1139

I wonder what will come out of it.

A big pile of manure, we all will have to eat.

pawian
2 Mar 2025  #1140

A big pile of manure

Thanks!!! I am turning on my fan on MAGA gangsters and bullies!!!


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