Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19

I agree that due to the 2 hour news cycle and societies insatiable need for mindless stimulation due to social media addiction, people are having a pavlovian response to what trump says and performs.
As Steve Bannon said, the enemy is not the democrats, the enemy is the media, and we just need to fill them with sh*t.

He was elected because of the cost of living crisis and a lot of working class people lost faith in traditional party politics the kind of people who voted for Obama. Then you have the cult, who like groupies follow their chosen one.

He hasnt done anything in over 4 years as president. Threatening ethnic cleansing cos he smells a dollar, witholding stuff for Ukraine cos he smells a dollar etc is not doing anything. Israel is a client state of the US so it doesnt matter what ideas I or anyone else has about Gaza and the Palestinian state. The US will continue to fund and encourage genocide and blame the victims.

Oh really.
He has got you European's off your dead asses on defense spending.
Its your fault for giving Trump the finger in the first place on NATO spending's and it wouldn't have come to this.
On Monday, Von der Leyen announced an unpresedented defense package - dubbed ReArm Europe - and said that Europe was ready to "massively" boost its defense spending "with the speed and the ambition that is needed".
Von der Leyen said the three proposals outlined in the ReArm Europe plan would both support Ukraine and "address the long-term need to take much more responsibility" for European security - likely referring to the fact many Europeans feel the continent can no longer automatically rely on the US to come to its aid.
Like a child that doesn't listen, Father Trump gave Europe a tune up of what happens when you don't listen and give the finger.
Deal with it and hopefully you learned from it.

@johnny reb
The cult is strong in you...

In a way it's a win for Europe: we finally realised that we should ditch USA and do our own staff.
That doesn't help Ukraine but gives a chance to the rest to prepare.

Which is exactly what Father Trump was trying to pound through your thick heads.
All of a sudden Europe is very nervous about their security.
Is Trump a genius or what.


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By proving he is not an ally and we should stay clear? Yes, he did.

No, by proving that your old ally was done paying for Europe's security.
Looks like it sure got your attention by all the howling and crying that has started by you Eurps. trying to play the blame game.

@Lenka
Most astute observers have known that the US is never to be trusted for a long time, its nothing to do with Trump. Trump has however made an enormous series of errors which is a gift to the world. Even the unenlightened now know exactly the kind of people Americans choose to represent them.

Do you think that should be done gradually - with some transition time to work out the interdependence between US and European forces and the risks for both sides ?

Or do you think it should be done immediately, in the middle of an election in the biggest European country, and with a bloody war on the borders?

And the question no Americans can answer clearly. Without NATO is it OK for any European country who wants them to buy or develop their own nukes?

Sounds like the TDS cult is strong in poor Barns with his tears this morning.

Did you see the headlines this morning yet....
Macron - Russia now a threat to France and all of Europe !
As I said in my post #1593 above


Better get Father Trumps permission first is my advise.

The Michigan Mystic has spoken.

If we can't count on an ally's help in a war what's the point in being an ally?

But getting American permission was the old way

If the US isn't going to protect us, then rather do what Israel and North Korea have done - develop nukes and then present it as a fair accompli.

What Europe? Are you talking about German EU?
Let's talk about Poland.
It is our chance to ditch that fallen project and continue with countries of the region with the US alliance.
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Bingo! After ten years you finally catch up with me.

I find it hilarious when people here blame Trump for things, and then say he hasnt done anything. He is ending this war, and its being done on his terms. He is forcing Europe to defend itself and spend money on defense. He is telling all of Europe that the free ride is over. Smart leaders are understanding this. Ukraine will never be in NATO now. Russia will do a deal with the US if Ukraine doesnt hurry up. Either way the end result is the US getting paid back all the money. That is pretty smart.

Poland not buying into the group of "willing" countries to defend Ukraine is the right thing. Same for Italy and Hungary. Smart countries will second guess everything coming from Brussles now. Too many politicians there want to keep the war going.

TDS is apparently a real problem here. Trumps tariffs got Honda to not build a plant in Mexico, and will build one in Indiana now. Apple is investing 500 Billion in factories in the US now because of tariffs. All the American automakers who were bailed out by the government are now looking at moving a lot of production out of Mexico and Canada and back to the US. Investigations into corruption in the US government are ongoing, and all the democrats can do is complain that the corruption was discovered, and not that it was taking place. Every democrat in congress voted against no taxes on tips, overtime and social security. Every one of them. And all the lefties here want more left wing nut jobs in power?

Another great post PolAm
To bad they don't sink in with some people.


No need to, Macron has come to Europe's rescue with his nukes.
Macron has said he will discuss with European allies the possibility of using France's nuclear deterrent to protect the continent from Russian threats, amid concerns over potential US disengagement.

Take note to the word, "old".


You have been told Barns 🤣

yep, a society centred around a medieval caste system can only progress so far.

What willing countries?
They are posing and making noise, it is not serious.
Those countries are far away from Russia, what's more, those countries won't be able to send more than 50,000 soldiers, which is not enough to defend anything in Ukraine.

@PolAmKrakow
Thats one way of putting it. Another would be that Trump has done nothing except reveal to the world the true nature of the US and its avaricious nature, they put mammon before everything else.


Thats a funny way of saying political purges.

Europe as in continent.
And why form an alliance with USA? They seem very unreliable atm .

Wait until you hear this one to cry about.
Trump plans to revoke legal status for 240,000 Ukrainians who fled the war.
Another mess biden created.
Maybe Poland will take them instead.

Poland took in 1,500,000.
But yeah, revoking rights for people who actually do fleed the war is something right Trump's alleyways. No surprise there.

Poland has about two million, Its translates for the US 20 million.
or England where Lenka lives.
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You are in the wrong class. Here we teach geopolitics, you are looking for a geography lesson.

And how many of them left for other countries or went back to Ukraine ?


That is right, I forgot about that.
Does she have a British citizenship ?

There are no better options.
It is only temporarily until Poland will build up its strength and alliances in the region.
Unfortunately, the last 30 years was wasted by the post-communist waste called politicians.
It is time to get Poland's sh't together, not to rely on others.

I am not in class at all. Especially if you are supposed to be the teacher.


But what for? USA seems to be a fair weather friend so alliance is pointless.

Poland should be preparing but having partners and allies is still essential

Your reluctance to learn anything new is legendary.

Legendary in your head? Possibly as it's so empty every imagined little thing grows to enormous proportions.

Geez, nothing is either back or white, a fact that there is no ironclad guarantee, (and this is true of any alliance at any time in history.) doesn't nagate the value of the US alliance for Poland.