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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19



Alien
5 Mar 2025  #1561

Hungry

Hungary....are not hungry yet.

Przelotnyptak1
5 Mar 2025  #1562

Cut down on Muchmory consumption, I am sure your halucinations will subside.

Miloslaw
5 Mar 2025  #1563

By arguing it is better to be dead than to have a Russian passport - you are arguing an extremely niche position

No,I don't think so.My family were sent to a camp in Siberia,we know what Russians are like.Better dead than Russian......

Hey, Milo, I knew many people in "communist" Poland. Nobody committed suicide because we were red

No, they just got on with their lives as best they could.I had family there in the Communist times.Don't bullsh1t me or the other readers of this forum!

The proposal would have granted the United States $500 billion in profits from Ukraine's rare earth minerals as wartime compensation.

Yanks want to PROFIT from Ukrainan suffering???? My God!What has happened to America?

I finally figured out why Euros hate Trump. They hate him because he wants good relations with Russia.

True.

I am a genius...again...

No, you are the idiot again.

Przelotnyptak1
5 Mar 2025  #1564

I would call him the most level-headed analyst, not afraid to point out Russian wrongdoings.

Joker
5 Mar 2025  #1565

Yanks want to PROFIT from Ukrainan suffering???? My God!What has happened to America?

Its the same thing the Euro countries have done.Except biden was too stupid to make it a loan just like the UK, Germany and France did.

Britain signs $2.84-billion Ukraine loan deal as Zelenskiy visits

reuters.com/video/watch/idRW558602032025RP1/


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Miloslaw
5 Mar 2025  #1566

@Joker

Mate, a loan is not the same as profiteering.A loan just needs to be repaid,with interest.Just like what the Yanks did to the UK during WW2.
What Trump is doing is disgusting.The Usa and Canada loaned money to the UK to fight WW2, we finally paid it off in 2006, 61 years after the war ended!
To be fair, they only charged us a 2% interest rate, but it was not free money!

Barney
5 Mar 2025  #1567

Except biden was too stupid to make it a loan

Except it was all loans and some loans were backed by using the interest from seized Russian assets.

Much more aid was given to US billionaires in Trumps tax gifts and he proposes to do the same again. These so called tax cuts did not benefit the middle and working class, by and large they didn't even benefit wealthy Americans. Trumps aid to billionaires went to help...billionaires.

Hey let's drain the swamp and use the worlds richest individuals to do it what could go wrong

Vesko Vukovic
6 Mar 2025  #1568



Russian TV stations wish Russia a happy New Year by eliminating Santa Claus

😁

Vesko Vukovic
6 Mar 2025  #1569

America Strong (Remove Soy)



Who would have thought that Americans would one day be in a similar situation.....

johnny reb
6 Mar 2025  #1570

My God!What has happened to America?

We have kicked you Eurps off the gravy train and just listen to you howl now.
Father Trump is the best thing since sliced bread.
And the best part is that he has just got started.
Much more aid was given to US billionaires in Trumps tax gifts

Yes, the same billionaires that bought the ports at both ends of the Panama Canal to keep them out of China's control.
I love those billionaires.
Since Ireland only has three small time billionaires it is understandable why you are so jealous of our 750 plus big dog billionaires.
Trumps aid to billionaires went to help...billionaires

Remember when Billionaire Trump bought Ireland and turned it into a golf course.
You are still vexed about that aren't you. Hoot !

Przelotnyptak1
6 Mar 2025  #1571

Hey let's drain the swamp and use the worlds richest individuals to do it what could go wrong

They did not ask the financial genius, the vizard named Barny, for a piece of advice; that's what went wrong

Novichok
6 Mar 2025  #1572

I had family there in the Communist times

Where is "there"?

We have kicked you Eurps off the gravy train and just listen to you howl now.

The louder they howl, the surer I am that they have been useless parasites and a burden.

Novichok
6 Mar 2025  #1573

the worlds richest individuals to do it what could go wrong

Nothing. The richest individuals already have theirs and - pay attention - THEY CANNOT BE BRIBED! Duh!

Przelotnyptak1
6 Mar 2025  #1574

I wonder who is removing quotes from my posts. Without the quotes, the posts make no sense .

Przelotnyptak1
6 Mar 2025  #1575

Exactly, Ptak!! You missed to mention pawian in your long post as you always do. What`s wrong???

Pawian,do you feel neglected? I'm sorry. I was busy composing the long answer, not to you but to Torq in post #1523.
See, I have a problem with some swine removing quotations from my posts; that makes you even more confused than you already are

Novichok
6 Mar 2025  #1576

I love those billionaires.

I do, too.

Nobody was ever hired by a poor guy.

Ukraine has received about 800 tanks from the West,

...and Russia will win anyway.

Long live Russia. God bless Putin. Death to Russia haters.

Amen

Przelotnyptak1
6 Mar 2025  #1577

Hungary....are not hungry yet.

Would you be satisfied if I called them Magyar? :::)))

Vesko Vukovic
6 Mar 2025  #1578

Obama and Medvedev did really get along famously. Medvedev went on a whole tour of America

Medvedev is acting. He had the opportunity to prove himself in 2008 when the South Ossetian conflict broke out but he was totally incompetent so Putin had to step in, even if he wasn't the president at that time, he had to fly back from the Beijing Olympics and take the situation into his own hands.



Medvedev was also quite pro-western and liberal during his presidency and he earned quite a bad reputation amongst the Russian people. He is considered soft and weak. This is why he is now trying to redeem himself by acting tough, but I doubt that the Russian people will give him a second chance. There are also some rumors that Medvedev has a problem with alcohol so I doubt that the Russians want another Yeltsin.

Medvedev is now just a mouthpiece. He is saying out loud what the Russians (including the Russian leadership) really think. That's the job they gave him now and he is actually good at it, but don't be fooled that these are his own words, a whole team is putting together those statements.....

You can say what you want about Putin but no one can deny that he is exceptionally intelligent, brave and a great patriot. Yes, like everyone, he also makes mistakes but he is a way more competent leader than Medvedev. The Russian intelligence service again has to choose wisely the next leader of Russia, just like they did with Putin.

Ironside
6 Mar 2025  #1579

Now the UK start to think about using frozen russian assets....

They will never touch Russian frozen assets. That would happen only in the case of an outbreak of the WW III.
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We would prefer f

Man, is that you weekly talk some rubbish routine.? What up? Ukraine failed to conquer you so now you are getting cocky?
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The proposal would have granted the United States $500 billion in profits from Ukraine's rare earth minerals as wartime compensation

It is a good solid plan. It gives his base supporters a resemblance of the solution. For the US economy, good injection of capital, give to Ukraine weapons, and a good chance for the US protection.
I don't understand why someone would think it is a bad plan. Plans like that make me respect Trump, not his style or his hairedo.

Paulina
6 Mar 2025  #1580

I would call him the most level-headed analyst, not afraid to point out Russian wrongdoings.

LOL

The richest individuals already have theirs and - pay attention - THEY CANNOT BE BRIBED! Duh!

True, they bribe others, POLITICIANS, for example, duh, hahahaha :D

Nobody was ever hired by a poor guy.

You're missing one detail here - those billionaires want to replace people with AI.

brave

Yes, sure, that's why he visits RuSSian soldiers on the frontline on daily basis, haha :D

mafketis
6 Mar 2025  #1581

Without the quotes, the posts make no sense

Did they make sense with the quotes? you can try copy paste quotes if the usual method is misfunctioning....

Feniks
6 Mar 2025  #1582

It is not about supporting Trump but about supporting or understanding his policies.

What I am understanding is that Trump is not always truthful about the things he says, but those supporters of his are either blind to his lies or know full well that he isn't honest and that's why when I ask very simple questions of his supporters, they will not answer them.

Torq
6 Mar 2025  #1583

Trump is not always truthful about the things he says

... and the award for the Understatement of the Year
goes to... FENIKS. ;)

mafketis
6 Mar 2025  #1584

Trump is not always truthful about the things he says

Just don't pay any attention to what he says... I keep saying that and people keep ignoring that because they get an adrenaline rush from reading about his latest outrage.

Pat attention to what he does and the results.

Part of the oval office kayfabe was to get Europe more united and to finally step up more and take their defense (including Ukraine) into their own hands.

Part of the Gaza as Trump hotel locaion psyop was to get middle eastern countries to think of Gaza in terms of prosperity and peace rather than eternal losing struggle and poverty.

when I ask very simple questions of his supporters, they will not answer them

they make the same mistake of paying attention to what he says and take everything at face value without understanding broader processes at play...

Barney
6 Mar 2025  #1585

@mafketis
Trump just doesnt have the cunning for some grand plan he is more "look squirrel".

The oval office shakedown was nothing more than Fat Tony on display. Most US presidents like to keep their threats/humiliation hidden occasionally allowing leaks (for eg bomb you back to the stone age) as it maintains the fiction that the US is something to be respected. Trump behaving in the way he does normalises barbaric behaviour and thinking and the cult suck it up.

Judging Trump on his deeds is very difficult as he hasn't done anything

mafketis
6 Mar 2025  #1586

Trump just doesnt have the cunning for some grand plan

Which is how he became president for a second time against an unprecedented media blitz against him...

He's not a 4-D chess player or anything but the clueless act is largely an act (not entirely, he does have a fragile ego that needs constant praise and tens to surround himself with yes men).

he hasn't done anything

He got middle eastern countries to start outlining a different future for Gaza beyond fruitless doomed 'resistance' that has destroyed it.

What's your great plan for Gaza (that people living there could possibly get behind)?

Ironside
6 Mar 2025  #1587

I would rather have sexual intercourse with a hedgehog.

You are oddly very specific.

amiga500
6 Mar 2025  #1588

Part of the oval office kayfabe was to get Europe more united and to finally step up more and take their defense

Since funding for NAFO has switched from USAID to State Dept you have been very hesitant to blame Trump for anything (unlike the rest of the forever war-pigs), resorting to mental gymnastics to explain the cataclysm. Ukraine currently not being to use its HIMARS and ATACMS due to lack of SIGINT is somehow a grand plan between Ukraine and USA to make Europe pay more? WTF?. Trump don't need Zelensky for that, in fact the disdain from Trump and Vance is palatable.

A more logical explanation is that USA is seeking a grand bargain with Russia, trying to convince them to abandon North Korea, Iran and China, fundamentally reshape the world order to resist Chinese primacy in the Asia-Pacific, and in light of this, Ukraine and Europe significantly drops down Americas list of priorities.

cms neuf
6 Mar 2025  #1589

Agree Amiga - many of Trump's chaotic actions have no discernible geopolitcal benefit - the tarriffs, Greenland, upsetting 100 year allies like Britain, France and Canada.

And at home what is the grand plan behind inflation, dismantling the justice system, firing anyone who happens to work in a federal building?

But I don't agree either with the idea that they can divide the world into three power blocks. India will become as important as China, Nigeria will have more people and more money than north Nigeria. Mexico and Brazil will quickly become global players.

mafketis
6 Mar 2025  #1590

you have been very hesitant to blame Trump for anything

Cause I don't know what's going on and prefer to hold my silence until more data is in...

Some people do think either than Trump is a russian asset/agent and/or Trump wants to return to the 19th century retarded idea of 'spheres of influence' (aka the world described in 1984--- and why that's supposed to a good idea is a mystery....) and/or Trump's primary goal is to try to break up the Dragonbear alliance (russia and china) by weaning russia away from china.

There's lots of data points out there for those and for other scenarios but I don't have the time or inclination to sift through it or the real expertise to make sense of it.

We're all blind men groping an elephant at this point in time. I'm not going to go all in on 'an elephant is like a wall' when that weird rope thingy is swinging around and brushing my shoulder...

India will become as important as China

Not gonna happen. It might become more important than it is now but it's long term potential is held back by lots of India-specific realities.


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