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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 20



Przelotnyptak1
3 Apr 2025  #1621

And it is predatory to lay claim to the country's economic future with no security guarantees given in return....
@ mafketis

You must be talking about rare earth minerals. American involvement and the presence of American experts are guarantees in themselves, don't you think so?
Or you prefer the guarantee given for destruction of Ukraines nuclear weapons? Look how well it is serving Ukraine's interests. Do you think Russia would dare to invade a third nuclear power?

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1622

Do you think Russia would dare to invade a third nuclear power?

North Vietnam kicked the first and the mightiest nuclear power on the ass.

So did the Taliban. Nukes are worthless.

Korvinus
3 Apr 2025  #1623

That
Nothing in Europe is worth even one American life.

So if China ever invades you, we should smugly sit behind the ocean telling you to give up if fighting and destruction bother you so much.

But I know you are not representative of most Americans. You are one of the dumbest ones.

cms neuf
3 Apr 2025  #1624

What would she presence of American "experts" do to help.

First sign of any bother and they would get a taxi from the Marriott to the airport and be on the first flight out.

I can't believe this is being used as an argument for the Mineral Robbery - it's pathetic

PolAmKrakow
3 Apr 2025  #1625

@Korvinus
LMFAO If China invades the US, they have to worry about American citizens more than the military. More guns owned by citizens than the military. Fvcking hilarious, China invading the US. Like Poland might invade Australia. LMFAO

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1626

So if China ever invades you,

Hey, stupid, did you actually read my post or just glanced?

Let me try again:

Nothing in Europe is worth even one American life.

Feel free to list what in Europe is worth how many American lives.

Like this:

Our general happiness - 50,000 dead Americans

Sipping wine at lunch - 20,000 dead Americans

You get the drift...Go for it...prove me wrong...

Korvinus
3 Apr 2025  #1627

I know you're retarded cattle, no need to drive the point home.

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1628

You can't name one fvcking Euro thing that would be worth, say, 100,000 dead Americans? WTF...

I can...For example, removing homeless addicts, their excrement and needles from LA - 20,000 dead Europeans.

Paying off 20T of US debt - 1 million dead Europeans.

See? It can be done so don't be shy...

Przelotnyptak1
3 Apr 2025  #1629

So did the Taliban. Nukes are worthless.

In the case of Russia and Ukraine, I am pretty sure Russia would play smart and stay away from Ukraine.

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1630

I am pretty sure Russia would play smart and stay away from Ukraine.

If Ukraine had nukes or was in NATO?

Why didn't the US try to win in Vietnam in a day by dropping a nuke on Hanoi? Instead, we lost 58,000 dead as well as 250,000 wounded and scarred for life.

Miloslaw
3 Apr 2025  #1631

If Ukraine had nukes or was in NATO?

Why didn't the US try to win in Vietnam in a day by dropping a nuke on Hanoi?

Be careful for what you wish for.

I think Ukraine are getting close to having nukes.

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1632

I think Ukraine are getting close to having nukes.

To quote Poloniusz:

No.

Miloslaw
3 Apr 2025  #1633

I think Ukraine are getting close to having nukes.

To quote Poloniusz:

No.

I think you are wrong.

Bobko
3 Apr 2025  #1634

I think Ukraine are getting close to having nukes

I think Miloslaw is a one-legged Bangladeshi transvestite.

Velund
3 Apr 2025  #1635

one-legged Bangladeshi transvestite.

Probably you forgot "AIDS infected"... ;)

Miloslaw
3 Apr 2025  #1636

I think Miloslaw is a one-legged Bangladeshi transvestite.

Probably you forgot "AIDS infected"

You two are now on my "Idiot List".

Two complete and utter morons that are incapable of debate so have to resort to base insults,however stupid.because they have nothing else to respond with.
Weak, pathetic wimps! At least Rich/Novichock has the balls that you are obviously lacking to come back at me with proper arguments.

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1637

It seldom gets better here...Bobko and Velund...posting...

I think you are wrong.

I am never wrong.

OK, I was wrong once when I said I was wrong.

I was right about this war before Putin said "Go!". And that Z-P=0 ... pure genius ...

Two complete and utter morons that are incapable of debate so have to resort to base insults

Milo, you were the first one to cross the insult red line.

Bobko and Velund are just learning so take it easy with them...

Velund
3 Apr 2025  #1638

to come back at me with proper arguments



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Miloslaw
3 Apr 2025  #1639

I am never wrong.

We will see..... I think you are wrong this time.
But thank you for not being an insulting moron like Bobko and Velund, who couldn't create a brain between themselves.....

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1640

Bobko and Velund, who couldn't create a brain between themselves.....

I never met either but something tells me that you pick your targets poorly.

May I suggest cymes, maf, and pawian?

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1641

I have to go now...Say you are sorry to Bobko and Velund and be good.

Velund
3 Apr 2025  #1642

and pawian

Rich, it is not a good idea to publicly promote bestiality. ;)

Bobko
3 Apr 2025  #1643

Bobko and Velund, who couldn't create a brain between themselves.....

So you are not from Bangladesh?

Novichok
3 Apr 2025  #1644

Rich, it is not a good idea to publicly promote bestiality. ;)

I didn't ask medium or well-done.

Przelotnyptak1
3 Apr 2025  #1645

Why didn't the US try to win in Vietnam in a day by dropping a nuke on Hanoi?

Well, Rich, if you ask me, the way should have been done, not the nuclear bomb but a serious bomb in the center of the DC would have been effective because politicians lost the war, not our soldiers.

Przelotnyptak1
3 Apr 2025  #1646

Who am I to argue? If one-leged is accurate, we should enroll him in an ar*e kicking contest

Ironside
4 Apr 2025  #1647

I would argue that it is more important to avert the worst case scenario than to getter a better deal while using methods that make the worst case scenario more likely.

I don't see the connection here. I think it is a prefect opportunity to make some deal while they depend on our willingness to help. Are you saying that Ukraine would rather cut off its foot than compromise on a few small matters?
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it stands to lose from having a more than 1000km long border with Russia.

It depends. Anyway you are going from zero to the extreme in less than two seconds. If you have been an engine, you could have been installed in a sports car.
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It just seems in bad taste and premature to squabble

Well, negotiations are like that, squabbling and arguing over issues all over the place. Do you think it looks like a dignified seminary at some university?

Tacitus
4 Apr 2025  #1648

I think it is a prefect opportunity to make some deal while they depend on our willingness to help.

That is what Trump thought as well. Blackmail Ukraine while they depend on American aid,surely they will fold immediately?

Instead he ended up sabotaging the Ukrainian war effort. Which may not concern him much, but is hardly an outcome that would be in Poland's interest.

Each day that Ukraine continues to resist Russia is a good day for Poland. Why jeopardize that?

Anyway you are going from zero to the extreme in less than two seconds.

An Ukrainian defeat may be an "extreme" position but it is sadly not an unrealistic one. Trump is unlikely to approve further aid for Ukraine once the weapons approved by Biden have been delivered, and even if the Europeans step up ( a big if), they simply can not compensate for everything the USA provides Ukraine with(like intelligence information).

that, squabbling and arguing over issues all over the place

There is a time and a place for that. Blackmailing Ukraine would undermine Poland's standing in Europe and add further credence to those who are against further aid for Ukraine on principle. Furthermore Poland would squander the goodwill that Poland has earned with the Ukrainian people thanks to its' support so far. You may scoff at that, but this kind of soft power will be invaluable for Poland in future dealings with Ukraine and for Poles doing buisness in Ukraine.

Novichok
4 Apr 2025  #1649

politicians lost the war, not our soldiers.

I didn't mention the third party - the voters. They had enough of that nonsense so the politicians did what the voters wanted and ended the war.

The real scandal is that nobody who started it was charged criminally.

Novichok
4 Apr 2025  #1650

That is what Trump thought as well.

You don't know what Trump thought.
Blackmail Ukraine

You don't know what the word "blackmail" means. Learn English or take Law 101.
Instead he ended up sabotaging the Ukrainian war effort.

You don't know what "sabotaging" means, either.
Poland's interest.

Poland's interests are irrelevant to the US.
is a good day for Poland.

...but not to the thousands of dead Ukrainians. Who gives a fvck about them, right, stupid German?
Europeans step up

Europe can print money as easily as the US. Plus, you can sell Greenland to us.
Blackmailing Ukraine

Nobody is blackmailing Ukraine.
Poland would squander the goodwill that Poland has earned with the Ukrainian people

How much is that good will worth in dollars?


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