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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 21



Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #241

Why do otherwise intelligent people say dumb things...

No one wins militarily, solution will come at the negotiation table - South African FM Ronald Lamola

Hey, Ron, when you are at a negotiating table, it's proof you are a loser.

Winners sit down at unconditional surrender tables. See WW1 and WW2.

Memo to Putin: Do NOT NEGOTIATE. They will lie to you as they did before and will later.

If you decide to negotiate, lie and negotiate for time - just as they did to you...

Alien
18 Apr 2025  #242

Memo to Putin: Do NOT NEGOTIATE

Fight to the death...

PolAmKrakow
18 Apr 2025  #243

And just like I said, Trump is getting ready to say fvck it edition.cnn.com/2025/04/18/europe/rubio-russia-war-in-ukraine-us-talks-intl-hnk/index.html

Can Europe sustain Ukraine in this war on their own? Simple answer is not a chance. Two days to Easter, and I think that may be the deadline.

cms neuf
18 Apr 2025  #244

You and your deadlines

The NNs will still be just outside Pokrovsk this time next April.

Who cares if Golden Cow is going to walk away? They have bought nothing to the process except incompetent amateurism . He is yesterday's man and nobody except his toadies thought he could deliver peace.

Tacitus
18 Apr 2025  #245

How many Germans are willing to die to cause the downfall of Putin's regime?

Sending weapons to Ukraine means no German needs to die for that ro happen.

mafketis
18 Apr 2025  #246

Who cares if Golden Cow is going to walk away?

For all his big talk... he's proven to be impotent.... unless.....

There is a chance that if he can lure Iran away from russia and get Iranian oil onto the market.... oil prices plummet and russia faces the gaping may of economic collapse.
Will that happen? Probably not... but there's a shot there (since he's unwilling to really stand up to the russians).

For idiots that believed russian propaganda about 'best performing currency'.... the ruble is still not freely convertible so exchange rates are set by the government and meaningless.

PolAmKrakow
18 Apr 2025  #247

@cms neuf
Who cares? The EU, Ukraine and Russia. If the US walks away, the EU cannot support Ukraine on its own, and definitely cant re-arm itself. Russia because no more US made weapons means a real opportunity to over run the front lines this summer.

@mafketis
Iran. Trump would not allow Israel to attack Iran's nuclear facilities the other day and stated he wants diplomacy. You may be onto something.

Korvinus
18 Apr 2025  #248

If the US walks away

Honestly, if all that US will do is refuse to SELL air defense systems to protect Ukraine and pressure Ukraine to sign its humiliating suicide, is better if US leaves.

"We will no longer give you free stuff, because its bad for us. Europeans will have to learn to pay for what they get!"
Can we pay for it and buy it at market price?
"No."

Most coherent foreign policy ever.

Tacitus
18 Apr 2025  #249

Can we pay for it and buy it at market price?"No.".

The great deal maker.... .

Another thing. Europeans were ordering American weapons like crazy after February 2022. Everyone wanted the F-35 and the patriot systems.

Now they are having second thoughts about it (understandably). France is thrilled that their planes and SAMP/T have suddenly a shot.

Przelotnyptak1
18 Apr 2025  #250

Oh yeah, but your excuses reminded me of the famous Wanka Wstanka.:::)))

Przelotnyptak1
18 Apr 2025  #251

Fight to the death...

Yeah, Alien, I would fight to the last drop of your blood ::))

Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #252

Sending weapons to Ukraine means no German needs to die for that ro happen.

I am so glad.

Using Ukrainians is OK. Let them die, azzholes...

Did I get it right?

France is thrilled that their planes and SAMP/T have suddenly a shot.

Why does France need planes? To stop migrant invasion?

Napolean has been dead for over 200 years...So what's going on?

I would fight to the last drop of your blood ::))

Me too...

Tacitus
18 Apr 2025  #253

Did I get it right?

You never do.

Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #254

Wait a minute...

I just agreed with you that watching Ukrainians die for your cause is smart and that's what I get?

Alien
18 Apr 2025  #255

Yeah, Alien, I would fight to the last drop of your blood ::))

Me too.

I'm glad you like me, boys.

Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #256

Fight to the death...

Whose death?

If it's yours, who would I yell at?

Tacitus
18 Apr 2025  #257

Using Ukrainians is OK. Let them die, azzholes...

The Ukrainians are fighting of their own will. Because their hope is that if they prevail, they get to live as comfortably as you do.

All we are doing is to increase their odds of winning.

Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #258

The Ukrainians are fighting of their own will.

No, they are not. They are drafted and sent to die. Often within hours. A process similar to walking into a gas chamber in Auschwitz.

Also...They are smart enough to know that Z-P=0. In plain English: The difference is not worth dying for.

How many Germans in the Soviet-controlled part committed suicide?

I am glad I didn't. Instead, I was grateful for whatever they gave me - my education included.

It's better to be "red" than dead. Redness may end. Deadness will not.

Tacitus
18 Apr 2025  #259

They are drafted and sent to die.

You are confusing the Ukrainians with the Russians. The Ukrainians aren't using meat wave tactics.

The difference is not worth dying for

They seem to disagree. No doubt that unlike you, they can actually see the difference.

They witness the consequences of living under such a regime every day when there is yet another video of poorly trained Russian soldiers being slaughtered by the Ukrainian defenders. It is utterly inhuman tactic that only a regime that has no accountability to its' people can use.

You always go on about how you'd use your weapons to defend yourself and your family against an intruder. But then you'd insult the Ukrainians who are actually fighting intruders right now.

mafketis
18 Apr 2025  #260

poorly trained Russian soldiers being slaughtered by the Ukrainian defenders

Here, a kamikaze ground drone finds some russians hiding underground... and makes sure they stay there...

x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1913192986181054788

cms neuf
18 Apr 2025  #261

As with the tariffs that has been a really weird few weeks work by Golden Cow

- the front line hasn't moved inside Ukraine
- in Kursk and Belgorod there are still Ukrainian forces
- the US has upset and insulted all its closest allies for no benefit
- huge long term impact on the US defence industry and not a good one
- loss of moral authority, voting alongside NK, Iran and Eritrea at the UN
- a "mineral deal" that is one page long and gives them no minerals, no money and has a much detail as a birthday card to Babcia
- Putler able to flex in the third world that he faced the US down

Why didn't someone try and talk him out of this "strategy" ?

mafketis
18 Apr 2025  #262

a "mineral deal" that is one page long a

Ukraine is trying to make it clear that it wants to deal so that Trump will be forced to openly side with russia... that will go down well with those that like to parrot Cucker Tarlson but it won't do the US any good anywhere else.... (least not Poland which is already asking for French nukes).

Miloslaw
18 Apr 2025  #263

No, they are not. They are drafted and sent to die. Often within hours. A process similar to walking into a gas chamber in Auschwitz.

You truly are bonkers.What you posted is more appllicable to Russians and they can't find enough of them so are now sending North Koreans and Chinese troops into their meat grinder.

Talking about Novichock's post;
You are confusing the Ukrainians with the Russians. The Ukrainians aren't using meat wave tactics.

You always go on about how you'd use your weapons to defend yourself and your family against an intruder. But then you'd insult the Ukrainians who are actually fighting intruders right now.

A great point!You highlight Rich's hypocrisy!

mafketis
18 Apr 2025  #264

Russians and they can't find enough of them

Supposedly signing bonuses have been drastically cut and supposedly this has to do with the increasingly empty government coffers.... another rumor is that there has been an unpublicized decret passed that drastically limits cash that people can take from banks....

Przelotnyptak1
18 Apr 2025  #265

With you, it is always someone; you should try harder yourself..No little farts. Large caliber is what you need

Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #266

Hey, azzholes, you are not entitled to use Russians to advance your arguments why it's worth to die in that war.

You represent Ukraine and Ukrainians so shove that fake concern about Russians where the sun don't shine.

You are supposed to justify Ukrainian deaths on the basis of what is good for Ukrainians only. Never mind Russia and Russians. That's their problem, not yours.

As a reminder...Ukraine is down to 20 million and dropping fast...The country is close to being erased.

All because an American warmonger told a British wh*re to tell Zidiot to fight to the last Ukrainian - for Z-P=0.

Sorry, Bobko, I tried to be nice, but it didn't work...My bad...

Tacitus
18 Apr 2025  #267

Ukrainians dont want to live under a regime that throws its' own citizens away in meat wave assaults.
Ukrainians know better than anyone how little Putin's regime values Russian lifes. They are smart enough to realize how their odds would be under the Russian regime.

They fight in the knowledge that if they don't, they'll be fielded in the first assault line in a few years when Russia invades the Baltic states and Poland.

Hence their immense bravery endurance.

.The country is close to being erased

Source trust me bro and RT.

Novichok
18 Apr 2025  #268

Ukrainians dont want to live under a regime that throws its' own citizens away in meat wave assaults.

You don't know what they want.

The only way to find out is to take them to a safe and neutral place and give them a choice: Kiev or Moscow. The same job and pay.

Assume the guy is married and has two kids.

Give me your estimate how that referendum would come out today.

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #269

Ukrainians know better than anyone how little Putin's regime values Russian lifes

Please do tell...

How many Russians were executed in the last 10 years?

Alien
19 Apr 2025  #270

How many Russians were executed in the last 10 years

The death penalty exists in russia, but the execution of this penalty has been suspended. But People fall out of windows or die in labor camps.


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