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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 21



Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #271

How many Ukrainians were thrown out of windows or into labor camps for being Ukrainians since Feb 2022?

PolAmKrakow
19 Apr 2025  #272

Ukrainians dont want to live under a regime that throws its' own citizens away in meat wave assaults.

I would bet that if you ask a Ukraine citizen living in a war zone if they would rather live under Russian rule, or die and watch all their family members die while the war continues, they will chose life.

Living provides options, death is not an option most would chose.

Alien
19 Apr 2025  #273

Ukrainians since Feb 2022?

They are dying en masse, killed by russian missiles.... civilians, women and children...thousands of them.

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #274

Fvck you, hyphenated moron...

That was not my question, you weasel...

Alien
19 Apr 2025  #275

Fvck you

FU2
was not my question

however, the answer was fitting and progressive.

mafketis
19 Apr 2025  #276

if they would rather live under Russian rule

Is that possible? The first thing russians do is kill a bunch of people....

Why doesn't Trump even want to sell weapons to Ukraine?

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #277

This is why this war can end only one way...



...that will look like this no matter how many times PF morons will misspell "Russia":


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PolAmKrakow
19 Apr 2025  #278

Why doesn't Trump even want to sell weapons to Ukraine?

I am sure he would sell them. Who is going to give them the next hundred billion? If no one does, then how can the EU donate everything Ukraine needs when it cant even re-arm itself yet? Then again, any US made tech would need approvals to be sent to Ukraine prior to the EU sending them. Z has fvcked around too much, and Putin is simply being an a$$hole by not making a deal. In fact Putin is being pretty stupid by not making a deal that could get the easing of some US sanctions concerning SWIFT and oil sales.

If the US is out, there are only two scenarios that can end the war. Europe goes all in and empties its reserves of ammunition and missiles, or Ukraine will be over run. Unless the EU sends its armies, triggering WW3, these are the only two options if the US is out. Neither is good for Europe.

cms neuf
19 Apr 2025  #279

Reserves of ammunition and missiles are not finite - Europe can make more and already started

Swift is run by Europe, not the US. Putler includes that in his demands because he knows the US can't deliver it. Of course Putler doesn't want peace or even a ceasefire.

How had Zelensky "fvcked around too much" -Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire 5 weeks ago. If you are talking about the mineral robbery of course he is not going to agree to that

mafketis
19 Apr 2025  #280

utler doesn't want peace or even a ceasefire.

How had Zelensky "fvcked around too much"

You're questioning the maga party line- russia wants peace but is forced to fight because belligerent Ukraine refuses peace.... it makes no sense but no party line does.

Mr Grunwald
19 Apr 2025  #281

@mafketis


This video sums it pretty good. American military general of NATO in Europe around 2017 in an interview released only few days ago. He stresses European need to act independently of the U.S.A military. As there are over 5 conflicts globally U.S.A can't handle alone.

Also seems what has been norm in U.S.A to do internationally has been changed by the president of U.S.A and creates confusion among most of it's allies.

Korvinus
19 Apr 2025  #282

Trump has announced that he's getting ready to pull the US out of the peace talks if they don't succeed in a few days.
If I was Zelensky, I would tweet: "You walk away, we won't pay!"

This is after months of assuring that he could end the war very easily. From "I can end the war in 24 hours" to "We'll take a pass" 80 days after inauguration. To be fair, I never once got the impression that Trump knows what the has gotten himself into. He was truly walking through Wonderlad. But why should the world suffer this arrogant aggressive incompetence?

mafketis
19 Apr 2025  #283

I never once got the impression that Trump knows what the has gotten himself into

Very much the case..... he's no match for the russians when it comes to negotiation, especially if he makes it clear that he wants something from them.

Supposedly he gave the russians an april 20 deadline to make a deal and they're nowhere near that. How much does he want a 'reset'?

PolAmKrakow
19 Apr 2025  #284

@cms neuf
Swift is not run by Europe. It is owned by European, US, Canada, and the UK. It is only an oversight bank in Belgium. But thanks for the usual bvllshit answer. Z has been dragging his feet on the mineral deal. At least the memo on that is signed now. Europe cant supply Ukraine, they have already said so. And if the US is out, all US equipment and missiles are out along with intelligence sharing. This would mean Ukraine would run out of just about everything in 90 days.

mafketis
19 Apr 2025  #285

Ukraine would run out of just about everything in 90 days.

And trump would be an accomplice to ethnocide.... a pretty big fall from "I can stop this in 24 hours" bullsh[t he was pushing earlier....

One problem that Zeihan notices (and I tend to agree) is that Trump can't stand to be contradicted or told 'no' so he's purged anyone who really knows anything about... anything from his staff, so he's surrounded by idiots and yesmen and conmen.

Korvinus
19 Apr 2025  #286

And trump would be an accomplice to ethnocide....

This assuming closed borders, with open borders, will be the largest refugee crisis in human history, and Ukraine having the lowest population density of the world. Sure, KGB Dwarf would send the entire Tajik population there to repopulate while western white nationalists worship him...

cms neuf
19 Apr 2025  #287

Well you are correct PolAm - it is managed by 10 countries, but what is clear is that the US can not allow North Nigerians access to SWIFT without European permission. They will not grant sanctions relief to the NNs until there is a military withdrawal, because for all their faults, the Europeans know that the NNs are liars and not trustworthy.

Przelotnyptak1
19 Apr 2025  #288

robbery of course he is not going to agree to that

Cymes , are you sure, or just wishful thinking Normal state of mind for you.

cms neuf
19 Apr 2025  #289

Of course he won't sign that. As if he is going to listen to old impotent Golden Cow

The memo he signed yesterday doesn't mention minerals or money. It's just some bullshit mom and apple pie stuff

reuters.com/markets/commodities/full-text-us-ukraine-memorandum-intent-minerals-deal-2025-04-18/

mafketis
19 Apr 2025  #290

At least the memo on that is signed now

A memo signed with the US government is worthless.... see Budapest if you have any questions....

Vesko Vukovic
19 Apr 2025  #291

A memo signed with the US government is worthless....

Lavrov agrees

serbiantimes.info/en/lavrov-accuses-the-west-of-racism-slavs-forbidden-what-albanians-are-allowed/

see Budapest if you have any questions....

Or even better read UN resolution 1244

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #292

NNs

Getting lazy, stupid polak?

mafketis
19 Apr 2025  #293

putain announces a ceasefire... followed by drone attacks....

anyone who believes russians is an idiot

x.com/dim0kq/status/1913636104173223998

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #294

Ukraine again violated US-brokered energy ceasefire - Russian MOD
Kiev has launched ten strikes within the past 24 hours, targeting power lines and a gas pipeline, the Defense Ministry has said


Those Russians are sneaky sobs...They bombed their own power lines and a gas pipeline to falsely accuse Ukraine.
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There is something medically wrong with Polaks. I am not sure if it's water or air...

They never read RT but are damn sure it's all lies. Western outlets, on the other hand, are like Jesus - they never lie and should always be trusted...

Korvinus
19 Apr 2025  #295

the Defense Ministry has said

Ni*gga, please! My ni*gga, please educate yourself.

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #296

That was weak and confirms my diagnosis.

Korvinus
19 Apr 2025  #297

putina is playing obvious games.
he hit an energy plant in Slovyansk 2 hours after the "deal". Awesome.

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #298

The US hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki way after the war was already won.

My regret was that the US had only two...Damn...Got to do better next time...

That was the first first I am still so proud about...Frying Japs for what they did to the US POWs. How sweet was that...but only 200,000...fvck...

Novichok
19 Apr 2025  #299

Russia: How about Easter ceasefire...

PF Russia haters: Russia ready to surrender...

Korvinus
19 Apr 2025  #300

Russia: How about Easter ceasefire...

Isn't that one of those unilateral ceasefires that Russia sometimes declares. Basically they're just announcing that they're taking the day off.

It doesn't obligate the Ukrainian military to respect the Russian declared ceasefire. It's entirely optional.

Not to mention KGB Dwarf have broken it like every other cease fire... in very first hour
Did he ever respected any cease fire? Not talking only about Ukraine.


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