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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22



cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #811

Well one thing Golden Cow did was humiliate Zelensky in public, blamed Ukraine for the war on several occasions, publicly told Ukraine that their reasonable demands were unreasonable and refused to join new sanctions against the NNs allegedly because of some "back channel negotiations" that he didn't want to upset (in reality some old real estate buffer talking about ice hockey and fancy watches with Putler's number 3 guy)

So he lost Ukraine's trust.

Ukraine has done a great thing - showed Vance they don't need to kowtow and say thank you, shown the world how strong and well organized they are and shown the world how incompetent the lazy drunk NNs are.

mafketis
4 Jun 2025  #812

How did Trump fai

He repeatedly said that he could end the war. He hasn't been able to and is now threatening to walk away like a child not having fun.

He could not incentivize russia and has been unwilling or unable to pressure russia either.

Is your war ending in June prediction still on or is that a bust too?

Both you and he seem to think there's some rational thinking on the russian side, some incentive that can be offered or concession made that will satisfy them.

There's not. There's only a desire for war and conquest (Surkov doctrine if you haven't been paying attention.

johnny reb
4 Jun 2025  #813

I have mostly stayed out of this thread because of the clueless idiots that post in it.
I admire Novi sticking to his guns from the get go that Russia would win this war just like I stuck to my guns about COVID 19 when everyone was calling me a conspiracist only to have those conspiracies come true years later.
(Healthy children under 18 years old are now being told NOT to get the vaccine/poke of poison)
Novi has been right all along just like I was right all along only to be ganged up on by the low information ill informed morons day after day.
These youngsters are wishing and betting with their hearts and not the facts.
They are conditioned brain dead to what they read on the internet to be the gospel truth.

if you haven't been paying attention.

If you have been paying attention you will understand how the walls are closing in on Ukraine and why Trump has backed out of a losing cause.
Neither side is listening so have at er'.
Trump has a potential war with China to entertain and has no time to help out in a war that Europe owns.
And he has told Europe to get ready and prepare for the big one only to be ignored.
NOW, years later Europe is in turmoil trying to defend themselves with Trump ignoring them.
And in my opinion it is not going to end well for Ukraine or Europe.
Ukraine could have ended this long ago with the same results.
Europe could have been ready if they would have ponied up their dues to NATO.
Now, pay the Piper.

mafketis
4 Jun 2025  #814

Trump has a potential war with China to entertain and has no time to help out in a war that Europe owns.

If he were able to bring russia to heel then China would not be a problem.... but his weakness vis a vis putin means he'll be weak and cowardly with Xi as well.

johnny reb
4 Jun 2025  #815

China would not be a problem....

That clueless remark doesn't even deserve a reply.

mafketis
4 Jun 2025  #816

That clueless remark doesn't even deserve a reply.

'Cause ya ain't got none, son!

The US has shown weakness with russia so China thinks it has a chance. Had the US shown strength then China would think Taiwan is not really worth it.

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #817

The US has shown weakness with russia so China thinks it has a chance.

Another genius that can't answer this simple question:

What should the US do to show strength?

That clueless remark doesn't even deserve a reply.

You are right so I have a question:

China would not be a problem..

...what problem and to whom?

cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #818

How could Ukraine have ended this long ago ?

Why do you think Europe has ignored what Golden Cow said ? We all get the message - don't rely on the declining USA. So European countries have all increased their budgets, started to look at new command structures, looked at other regional alliances, new technologies, etc.

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #819

We all get the message - don't rely on the declining USA.

We are not declining.

We just don't give a fvck about this war anymore. You do read PAK, don't you?

Memo to Europe: Take care of your own shlt. We are safe. Bye...

So European countries have all increased their budgets,

I am so proud of them.

Just one more thing...Forget that idiotic Article 5. Assume it's a window decoration for you and other idiots to feel better.

No, we will no go to war with Russia over a shlthole like Estonia.

PolAmKrakow
4 Jun 2025  #820

First for all the Trump haters, this was never a USA war. The US has no business being involved in any way. Biden is the fvcking retard who dragged the US into it because he has mush between his ears and the MIC wanted it as well as the UK, France and Germany to weaken Russia. Russia never was or is a threat to the US. Trump wanted to be a hero, and his plan didnt work, so now the smart thing to do is walk away and let Europe deal with it.

All the fvcktards here claiming that Europe cant rely on the US should have told the US no thank you 80 years ago then. All the tough talkers on PF who wouldnt know what to do if forced to fight or would run away scared.

You know who has shown weakness? All of fvcking Europe. If Europe was so strong and so tough, they should have sent men and machines three years ago to end this war. But they arent tough and they cant send men because leadership are pussies.

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #821

Thanks.

Did you read that post, Golden Moron and Kutasinski?

At this point this thread should be closed. We all had a chance to say everything on this subject. Even the Russians got bored with it...

cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #822

Sure looks like the US is declining

You drove your soft power off a cliff in January, the economic power also deliberately destroyed in the course of a few months. As for your military, I guess we'll get to see them in the field sometime soon - maybe in Greenland or Panama. Don't know if that will go as well as the decisive and quick victories in Iraq and Afghanistan

PolAmKrakow
4 Jun 2025  #823

politico.eu/article/eu-extends-temporary-protection-ukrainian-refugees-long-term-fix-russia-war-invasion-commission-peace/

Move Ukrainians out by 2027? Sounds like the EU is wising up to citizens becoming tired of their game playing with this war.

@cms neuf
Nothing you say is accurate or can be taken seriously.

Przelotnyptak1
4 Jun 2025  #824

China
If he were able to bring russia to heel then China would not be a problem

Except for the fact that China is and always will be a huge problem.

mafketis
4 Jun 2025  #825

Trump wanted to be a hero, and his plan didnt work, so

He failed because he tried the stupidest track possible, the exact same policy that failed Clinton and Obama....

smart thing to do is walk away

Admitting he was defeated.... by russia?

Not a good look.

cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #826

You don't have to take it seriously - all your own theories obviously have been borne out.

The NNs are still 6km from Pokrovsk

Przelotnyptak1
4 Jun 2025  #827

Taiwan is not really worth it.

Taiwan is only a minor distraction. Think globally, think existential threat.There is no such thing as too far, as far as China is concerned. After the COVID-19
One would think China would come to its senses, but it seems they are not eager to change their long-term strategic plans. Now we have arrested two Chinese
spies smuggling deadly fungus with a potential far greater catastrophe than COVID ever was. So we caught two, but how many did we miss? That's the question. Next is a convoluted explanation; it is not their fault, but it is likely Trump who is responsible, and lobotomized Europeans: yes, yes, Trump is the guilty one.

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #828

maybe in Greenland or Panama.

We can take Panama by sending a dozen NY cops on their off day...

Greenland needs an email that ends with "...or else..."

Not a good look.

A perfect look and move. It saves US lives, money, and sends my favorite message:

GFY. You are on your own.

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #829

Now we have arrested two Chinese

We should immediately ban all Chinese from coming here - tourists, students...everybody...since there is no upside to allowing them in.

the economic power also deliberately destroyed in the course of a few months.

What happened?

Who did it and how?

cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #830

Yes - just like the 2 gunboats the US sent to sort the Vietnamese out

You don't get the impression that the US is somehow slightly less respected and powerful than it was a year ago ?

TACO has demonstrated many times that the US bark is worse than its bite

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #831

less respected

I tried to use respect to get a cup of coffee at Starbucks but the girl said no and demanded cash or a cc.

Are Polaks aways this stupid or just now as they watch more and more Americans becoming like me, with both middle fingers up for all to see?

I want an extra special US citizenship that would allow me to be US president.

cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #832

They don't employ girls. Only women and men.

Finally, enough Starbucks is a perfect example of American economic decline. Sales are going backwards all over the world and especially in Europe, where we no longer want to pay six euros for a half liter of tasteless sugary swill.

Novichok
4 Jun 2025  #833

They don't employ girls. Only women and men.

PAK is right. You are a waste of screen space.

Quoting:

The minimum age to work at Starbucks is 16 years old

Now try to define a woman, Golden Idiot.

Alien
4 Jun 2025  #834

Starbucks

I've always wondered how Starbucks manages to stay in Europe. I didn't drink a single coffee there.

jon357
4 Jun 2025  #835

I've always wondered how Starbucks manages to stay in Europe

Usually by a low profit margin and understaffing (hence the wait) It's not as easy for them to use their usual business model (often preventing rivals from opening nearby) in Europe. They're closing, including in central London while independents and smaller chains are growing.

Przelotnyptak1
4 Jun 2025  #836

TACO has demonstrated many

Will you start talking like an adult, or crawl under the rock, and stay there

Przelotnyptak1
4 Jun 2025  #837

Finally, enough Starbucks is a perfect example

The most liberal company ever, fricken bloodsuckers Only people with the ineligibility level of a rock would pay seven dollars a cup that you can brew at home for less than a dollar.

jon357
4 Jun 2025  #838

China

They are watching and waiting.

Problem is, there's a limited window of opportunity, just as Putler had a very limited window to start his invasion and a limited window to escalate.

cms neuf
4 Jun 2025  #839

But Novi said that he goes there for coffee

Velund
4 Jun 2025  #840

Still no answer for the manpower shortage in Ukraine.

Try to guess, where in ukraine this photo is made a couple of days ago...


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