Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22

If you are obsessed with Africa, post in the appropriate thread.

Go to the sandbox and play with other retards who like answering a question with a question...

I finally caught RT at lying...

Russia hands over another 1,200 bodies of soldiers to Ukraine
Moscow previously pledged to voluntarily return the remains of some 6,000 slain Ukrainian servicemen

You can't hand ove rwhat you don't have. Ukraine lost only 10 soldiers since March 2022.

Russia is in the process of establishing drone forces as a separate branch of the military, President Vladimir Putin has said, revealing that up to half of all battlefield kills in the Ukraine conflict come from UAVs.

Now I know where my broken dishwasher has gone ...

This is what all the armies of the world are doing in the meantime.

Russian exports surge despite Western sanctions - report
Last year, Moscow sold 18% more goods to its top 20 trade partners compared to 2021, the German Economic Institute has estimated

How many sanctions did the West impose on Russia? 100,000?

2021 was lockdown - of course the North Nigerians are exporting more than they were when all the world's factories were shut down

Compare to 2019

In value terms their exports are way down. Chinese and other dictators are buying high volumes but paying low prices

Trump (and his proxies): Signing the mineral deal is security enough. russia would never attack US companies in Ukraine.

russia: Bombs Boeing in Kyiv.

Trymp (and his proxies):......

x.com/KyivIndependent/status/1934254837505691944

Nobody mentioned the minerals deal since it was signed. It was just Golden Cow's excuse for doing nothing to stop Putler and the last thing he wanted was for the Ukrainians to actually sign the thing.

Same is bellyaching about ukraine not paying for receiving weapons the US was going to destroy.... "Okay, we'll pay" said Ukraine and Trump says nothing.

Meanwhile his imaginary boyfriend keeps stringing him along with 'negotiations' set to resume after june 22.....

Is there anyone in the world who trusts any negotiations with the US.

This supposed flood of countries begging Trump for a deal has not appeared. I believe he said they were queuing to kiss his ass.
Trump ripped up the trade agreement he negotiated and signed with Canada and Mexico.
Of course the JCPOA painstakingly negotiated by Obama was torn up by Trump. Trump then tried to kick start it again but gave the nod to scupper his own negotiation.

There are many more examples...for all his boasting he has never stopped a war. He has started one which will 100% lead to a nuclear arms race in the middle east and probably further afield.

There will be plenty of regional wars now there is no more global policeman. Will be like the 30s when all sorts of tinpot dictators fought each other.

Everyone recognizing that the US does not have the resources or the experience to de-escalate tensions

This video sums up really well why a ceasefire at this moment would only benefit Russia, it's imperative that Poland donates as much as possible vital equipment as it can to motivate Russia to give up on most of her demands regarding Ukraine to not come in to a worse situation in the future. It wouldn't secure a idea solution, but could increase chances of Ukrainian sovereignty for the next 30 years and Poland's border not bordering the Russian federation or it's influence in south-eastern Poland.

If Poland misses out on this, then any prospect of Poland gaining economical investments in Ukraine (thinking mostly western parts of Ukraine and it's southern seaports) would possibly be missed out on.

It would been wise however to include countries like Czech Republic, Norway and Switzerland for it not to look too threatening for the Ukrainians.

No more donations are needed; Poland should focus on mutually beneficial cooperation with Ukraine.
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What ceasefire? It is evident that Trump's tactics of bluffing and blustering, along with his ego, are ineffective against Russia.

You're posting the same propaganda slop as MiLOSSlaw stop it.


This isn't a self improvement course or counselling session.

I think not, Ukrainians are ungrateful and blatantly using Poland to her own advantage. It doesn't change however that Poland needs to secure her position in Ukraine further unless cutting ties with Ukraine completely is a goal as to improve relations with Russia!

Cost saving focus right now is not the moment, it should be after investments are done and finished. Otherwise all other earlier investments will turn only to waste.

What your suggesting Ironside is to start digging our own grave without a shovel cause the shovel is too expensive! While O think we should take a loan to buy a shovel for a Ukrainian to start digging! Yes trenches for himself for now, but later on ditches and farmlands in peaceful times.

Your thinking too narrowly, and so does a lot of people in Poland right now. That is my perspective on this.


Who is thinking about America regarding this? U.S blew it at the NATO meeting and blew it with Greenland. They have no say and should have no say in any ceasefire, they can try and get a hold on Los Angeles firs if they can.

Amiga500

Do not invite me to your silly petty squabbles, I am not interested.

Ain't a big fan of Zelensky, I see myself more as neutral and mostly want the war to end with a settlement that won't lead to another war in the future.

This act however from Zelensky is positively surprising. He is very good at PR. The U.S army veteran wanting to kiss Zelensky's hand in appreciation. Then saying no to that as it might look too majestic and distant, wanting to give more of a hug and showing closeness rather then distance. Did not expect that.

Cheap ones?


Yes. They are playing the Seppos like a fiddle.


Wouldn't you, if you were being invaded by r*SSia?

@Mr Grunwald
How much more can Norway, with its oil wealth, contribute? Have they contributed more than Poland
I think you are overthinking while not grounded in reality.

It wasn't as a judgement, but as a analysys of the situation and readiness to have higher losses then useally.


This forum is focused on Poland, Polish related things and what matters. Hence I have tried to be quiet about that. But if you must know, not only have Norway aided financially. Norway is also highly interested in drone warfare, experience in said drone warfare and military development in Ukraine. For Norway it's not a issue of how much, it's a issue of use and reliability.

Interest in investing in to Poland and officials traveling to Poland has also increased. (With regard to the Russian threat and information and possibilities of the future is something that is not ignored in Norwegian upper echelon circles).

If you believe that Norway's capabilities are limited, bear in mind that a lot of EU investments Norway has poured in for the EU has mainly gone to Poland (cause of the EU trade deals Norway has).

Norway has and wishes to invest in Poland in the past, currently and in the future. It's not peanuts either. So yes, Norway has a stake in it and are looking for more to invest in. If you don't believe me, which I won't be surprised over. You can google or check YouTube or any site, channel that takes up questions with «Jonas Gahr Støre» or «Jens Stoltenberg» regarding NATO, Poland or Ukraine.

Norway has also a large fund which is basically a global fund it can freely use to whatever means desirable and necessary to secure Norways future, Trump would be more then happy to access it. So far Poland has a enormous potential to reap investments from Norway. It just needs to be sound, possible and potentially lucrative.

All sorts of projects like airports, new dockyards, Baltic shipping etc can easily be financed with help from Norway. But as you know fairly well yourself, Norway is not taking part as a strategy in any means what so ever by Poland. A mistake I might add.

But you can always just state that I am biased and only wish for the development of Norway and wish nothing good for Poland and write me off as a Norwegian salesman, propagandist or a «useful idiot» and a nobody!

There certainly shouldn't be.

Bullshit.

Norway's fund can't even invest in tobacco or weapons manufacturers without major amendments to its mandate.

It certainly cannot invest in "whatever it finds desirable and necessary".

It's a Nordic Abu Dhabi, with more money than good sense. Such a small people should not control so much oil and gas.

The day Norway wishes to freely invest in to tobacco is the day I will have greater sorrow in my heart.

Allright with adjustments, Norway has the possibility to make SENSIBLE investments! Happy?

As a Norwegian Pole - what you should want is for Norway to be maximally rich.

If tobacco investments, or weapons, or alcohol is what will make Norway an additional ten billion dollars - this is something you cannot afford to ignore, and instead virtue signal.

Build hospitals, build daycares.

They have a very large sovereign welfare fund. Why can't they ignore a particular type of investment. Life is not about hoarding capital and they are not poor.


They have them already. Far better ones than than yours and far better ones than America's.

Norwegians have a tendency to consider wooden cabins a delight and show off to the rest of society. Most of Norway has quite the different approach to life goals. You would be shocked to learn more.

Maximally rich would make any Norwegian feel undeserved of it and shameful to mention it.

It's a larger chance for a Norwegian wanting a pilgrimage to Jerusalem then to obtain sick levels of wealth or flaunting gold chains around one's neck.

Most Norwegians are not used to wealth and don't know to do about it actually.

One could pay you for advice on what to do with it.


Sorry, but I love to swim and have better then average well working lungs. I have no wish to make them worse and got a friend that has asthma. I will always be against smoking. Virtue signaling or not

Although I've only seen the interior of the Oslo airport, Norway's known
for her stunning stave churches! Pity I never left and got out into the country itself,
but was en route from New York to Copenhagen und we had a layover in the Norwegian capital.

Bloody expensive beer there. Even worse than Stavanger airport. We used to do crew changes there sometimes and were all gagging for beer that was 5 times the price it should be. Stavanger always struck me as almost surreally clean. Nice though. There's a lot to like about Norway.

russia - very high Power distance (the very weak tolerate extreme inequality and the more powerful fully agree)

Norway - very low Power distance (the less powerful do not tolerate inequality and the more powerful are held in line by broadly conformist values (including modesty) - Janteloven - the Law of Jante)

I agree. When you are done, send us the bill. The US is drowning in money.