European News and Poland Thread

I said it sarcastically, DD. The report was of a true event and illustrates who has too much hidden power in Poland

Quote:

The European Parliament overwhelmingly approved a resolution Tuesday addressing "structural racism" in Europe against Europeans of African descent. The resolution calls for "reparations for crimes against humanity during European colonialism."

So brilliant and just that even I am all for these reparations - minus the value of about 13 trillion dollars of what the whites built there.

Now, all Africa needs is 12 trillion bucks and the wiring instructions.

Some of the pandering Democrats (Pocahantas) wants to dole out reparations for the descendants of slaves. All they're going to do with the money will buy crack, new rims for the ride, guns or other ways to squander it all.

My niggas stack they money just to spend it
'Cause when you die you cannot take it with you
If you ain't beefin' 'bout the money, then what's the problem?
Don't worry 'bout my niggas 'cause I got 'e........bla bla bla

Rap is for idiots!

The only thing Obama`s stimulus checks resolved was the liquor store crisis! lol

I want money for Yalta. Where do I apply?

It is so obvious I am really amazed you haven`t done it yet. You simply need to dig up Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill and take them to Dr Frankestein. He is the only one to help you. When it happens, you might sue those three guys for compensation. I suggest making one joint guy out of three, the court won`t be so crowded with defence attorneys and you will spare yourself a lot of time and energy too.

Congratulations to Zuzana Caputova, who will become the first female president of Slovakia.

President Caputova will stand for compassion, tolerance and truth, and what's remarkable is that most of the ethnic Hungarian minority in Slovakia also supported her. She represents a firm rejection of populism by Slovak voters (her margin of victory was nearly 60-40%), and she will certainly act as a beacon in this part of the world. I wish her all the best, and this is a clear sign that the forces of evil can be defeated.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-47756368

In the meantime the Ukraine are set to elect a TV serial "president" as the actual president. It is really weird that a country finally gets its' independence back and then treats it all as a joke.

Ukraine is just inexplicable, to say the least. It's at least partially because he was willing to speak Russian in public, but it seems to be the same old story there.

Unfortunately for decent Ukrainians, corruption is so deeply rooted in their society that many people simply aren't willing to give it up.

Yes - I made the mistake of sympathising with a couple of Ukrainians in my corporate classes who are from Mariupol, right in the contested zone of East Ukraine. They are Ukrainain, but insisted that everything that's good was built or "given" by the Russians.

Totally and successfully brainwashed.

Back? They have never been an independent country.


meh, its all quite simple

They are now.

Merged:

Weber seeks powers to stop Nord Stream 2

euractiv.com/section/eu-elections-2019/news/weber-seeks-powers-to-stop-nord-stream-2/

Who said EU elections have to be boring...

Interesting that Manfred Weber is member of the german CSU (in Bavaria), the main coalition partner of Merkel's CDU...she won't be happy about that.

Do you wish for Europe to be back to it's old ways? Do you think Europe would be better off without the EU? And if so, how?

Yes.


No, just back to The EEC.

What do you mean by "it's old ways"? As an intellectual and artistic center? As a place where local people want to have children? A place with public amenities and safe streets? Yeah, sounds pretty good. Why has "it's old ways" become something negative?

I support a restricted version of the EU but it has long passed the point of diminishing returns (the more invested in it the lesser actual utility it provides).

I hoped that Brexit would be a wakeup call but instead the EU is doubling down on the very things that most sane people want no part of...

Did you really forget about the endless apposition of one war after the other in our history? Our soil is steeped with the remains of killed soldiers and civilians, and not only since WWI and WWII...but all the 2000 years of our bloody history.

Do you really forget about it? How can you ignore and throw away the last decades of peace so easily? Do you take that all for granted?


The Brexit WAS a wake up call...in hindsight I'm grateful for it!


independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-eu-survey-italy-ireland-portugal-eurosceptic-poll-a8888126.html

"....The survey by Kantar asked people how they would vote in an in-out referendum and found that Luxembourg (94 per cent), Portugal (92 per cent), Ireland (91 per cent), and the Netherlands (91 per cent) had the highest support for EU membership out of the 28 countries in the bloc...."

Nothing to do with The EU.
A union of states is no guarantee of peace.
Think of all the civil wars in history.
Think Yugoslavia.

Of course it is! When the members share so much of their resources, support each other financially, have open borders, where people can move freely, can live and work in the whole union, share the same economical and also military agreements...a war between them is impossible. That's why the EU has been founded in the first place.

All differences, all bitchfights and controversies are small fish and negotiable compared to the full blown out wars of our past.


Yugoslavia is a good example what happens when there isn't a union. Even Tito only held them together with an iron fist. After his death everything broke apart. Look what happened when all different parties with their own version of "MAGA" go up against each other. When nationalists take over...

Is it that what you want for us?

You really believe the last decades of peace on our continent have absolutely nothing to do with the EU?

That's the whole point; and it's worked very well.

Eurosceptics always mention Greece; what they avoid mentioning is the mess that it was in before EU entry.

No, but i realize that's only part (actually a relatively small part) of European history. If it were the major force shaping European history then Europe would have no more cultural legacy than Somalia...


how can you? Peace cannot be maintained by bureaucratic edict... and it cannot be maintained by trying to freeze out part of the electorate, it can only be maintained with free dialogue and the free exchange of ideas but of which are currently at odds with EU institutions...

Maf, I ask you for one clear answer to my question:

Do you believe the EU has had NOTHING to do with the decades of peace between it's members since it's inception?

Yes or No!

Yes, it helped a lot in a specific context which no longer exists and frankly is not, I believe, up to the challenges of the near and more distant future.

As I said, peace can't be maintained by the type of thing that the EU does... look at the EU's data protection legislation, do you seriously think that has made anyone's online data one bit safer?

What has changed?


So, you say the EU has nothing to do with maintaining the peace during the last decades? Is that your answer?

you've convinced, me the EU actually doesn't have much to do with maintaining peace... I'd always thought it had, but when I think about it I can't think of much that it's done (besides reinforcing trends that were already present) this means its continued existence won't make much difference one way or the other, if countries want peace then the EU won't be able to change that and if an appetite for war returns... then the EU won't be able to change that.

Yes.
The EEC did that during the important years between 1957 and 1993.
It had it's faults but overall did it's job.
But after the reunification of Germany some "Euro Fanatic Zealots" decided it would be a good idea to further expand and integrate Europe.The EEC morphed into The EC and then The EU,adding more members as it went.

That was when the rot set in.They should have left it as The EEC was.

Which trends would that be?


You must have a good reason why you think so...please explain it to me. Which other period in Europe without the existence of a union (any union) you refer to where so many decades of peace and rising prosperity blessed the Europeans? Including free movement, sharing a common market, supporting each other...the full program you know?

If you don't need a union for maintaining the peace we must have done it before, right?

I really would want to know!


Would you had preferred to keep Poland out?


I agree, it has become so much more difficult to keep the peace between so many often so different members...doesn't mean it isn't worth it!

No.They could have joined The EEC.
The EEC as it was, an economic union of nations was fine.
The EU or, The United States of Europe is the problem.

If it consoles you the EEC still exists, it's part of the EU now....an integral part at that.

It had been the EEC members which decided to reform it and all subscribed to it in the Maastricht Treaty...so it was hardly forced on us by some Marsians...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty

There is conflict between those who want a closer cooperation aka deeper integration and those who don't. Both have good arguments.

In the case of a total unbridgeable disagreement a two way - EU might be possible, that those countries who want to work closer together can do so and that those members who don't want that are allowed to stay out of these treaties and agreements.

But it won't shake the foundation of our Union!

I think that is a distinct possibility.
But as it is now, I want The UK out.

Why is that a problem for you?