European News and Poland Thread 3

Doesn't mean it's right.

IMO very low sentences are invitation to revenge. If my kid was killed that way and someone was released after few years (because correct me if I'm wrong - she won't even do the whole time) I would devote my life to make them pay.

The only argument for that sentence that speaks to me is the one from Tacticus that it was due to evidence, procedure etc.

You could always become involved in a campaign for this. There has certainly been centuries worth of discussion on the issue.


That's something that is certainly considered by both those whose job it is to make decisions on parole and those who supervise prisoners' release.

Not really. As I wrote - your mistake was pretty shocking for me.


What on Earth are you talking about? What "argument"? About what?


No, I didn't.

*sigh*

Jon357, you have a habit of turning into an irritating ass and even getting hostile if someone is disagreeing with you (and, God forbid, if someone corrects you about something, apparently). If you were behaving OK during the discussion we wouldn't be in this situation right now.

Thanks for drawing such a detail to our attention, even if it doesn't affect the discussion in the slightest.


We aren't. You are, however of course we are as ever delighted to be exposed to your insights.

I agree.


Yup.

You're welcome.


We are because of you. If someone corrected me after such a mistake I'd just answer: "Ah, yes, sorry" and that's it, instead of making unnecessary, disconnected comment (to which I didn't respond in a rude way or anything, so I don't know what is your problem).

Interestingly, you seem to be focusing on an irrelevant detail rather than the actual issue of sentencing, parole and release.

This begs several questions that are not at all connected with the issue in hand (the rehabilitation-punishment-protection matrix in the criminal justice system).

As I say, Eric Berne is very worth reading and you may gain some interesting insights from his best known work. It's available in Polish and can be read comfortably in a few hours however there are several sections, one in particular, that may be worth focusing on.

We've discussed this issue already.


It's you who keep prolonging this now, jon357. You clearly have a great need to have the last word. Maybe you should look into this, do some soul-searching yourself, you know :)))

Do you not see the irony in that comment?

I doubt we'll agree on sentencing policy, something that in any case is chewed over by lawmakers and policymakers more thoroughly than it ever will be here.

You see, you keep doing this :)))

Look deep into yourself, jon357 :))))


So be it.

As you are exactly doing.

I suppose it generates content.

As I say, read Berne. I think you'd like it.

Then be the bigger man and stop responding! :D Nothing stops you, does it? :))) Treat it as an exercise in strong will :))) After all, it's such a non-issue.


And you look into yourself :)

Very little. And not much stops you either ;-)

At least it's more interesting than many threads here and our discussions do at least mirror ones that happen in real life and therefore more normal than novichok's demented online foulness.


Of course.

Berne certainly helped with that. His book is a bit dated and a bit American but very worthwhile. Neil Kakkar's summary is even briefer and just as good

Yes, but I'm having a bit of fun right now :)))

@Paulina

I think we both are :-D

I certainly am and it brightens up a gloomy day.

@Lenka


Leaving aside that the man who put her daughter out to die has received a life sentence, spending more than a decade in prison is hardly something to sneeze at. And I fail to see how things would fundamentally change if she instead were forced to spend say 3 more years on top.

From what I've read she returned to Germany and lived there 5 years without causing any incident before being arrested, so I'd argue that her chances of living a crime-free crime after her time in jail are fairly good.

Frankly given how difficult it is to prosecute someone for a genocide comitted in a different country if said person did not hold a high position and especially given the relative lack of evidence, I'd say we can be satisfied with what has been achieved. Most Yazidi victims will most likely never see any justice done to them.


That depends on her behaviour in prison.

18 year old Polak in Munich raped by an Afgan

t.me/hotptakes/8607

europeanconservative.com/articles/news/afghan-migrant-raped-young-man-for-hours-on-munich-metro/

Hey, Tacitus, 10 German war criminals were executed after Nuremberg. If you were the one to decide their sentences, what would you decide?
You have three choices 1. The death penalty. 2. Life-no-parole. 3. Prison for a predetermined number of years.

No Euro weasel crap, please. 1, 2, or 3?

Here, I would like to express my admiration for the American criminal justice system (never thought I would say such a thing).

Russia has no death penalty, and getting a life sentence is very difficult. Even if you get a life sentence, in most cases you are let out after 25 years for good behavior (even if you are a serial rapist/murderer).

In Russia, you could violently rape a child, and be out enjoying life in about 15 years (several factors have to align).

Meanwhile, in the United States they hand out life sentences (without possibility of parole), like candy.

I think, if you did something to a kid, killed more than 1 person (or even 1 person, but in some deranged manner), or committed a terrorist act - they should lock you up and throw away the keys.

One reason I was no big fan of Wagner.

The case is just the latest of several sex attacks committed by Afghan migrants in Germany in recent years although most of the victims in such attacks are usually women and young girls.

In 2017, a pair of Afghan asylum seekers were arrested in the town of Höhenkirchen-Siegertsbrunn south of Munich after being accused of brutally raping a 16-year-old girl after meeting the teen in front of a local asylum shelter.

That same year, a Bavarian police report claimed that the number of rape attacks attributable to migrants had increased by 91% from January to July of 2016, with police totaling 126 cases involving migrants overall out of a total of 685 cases, or around one out of every five rapes.

German police witnessed but did not intervene because they were not sure if the women screamed from pleasure or because they didn't approve of what was happening.

Why was the Afghan garbage in Germany?

German guilt over invading the country in search of Bin Laden.

The Taliban deals with rape in rather prompt fashion. Under Sharia Law, the following punishments are prescribed for rape:

Most classical scholars argued for applying the ḥadd penalty for zinā to a convicted rapist, which is stoning to death for the married (muḥsān), or a flogging of 100 lashes and deportation for the unmarried (ghair-muḥsān).

These Taliban fellas were in power pre-2001, and now it's 2023 and they're back. What was the point of it all?

The results are:

1) Heroin production exploded under the enlightened government of Hamid Karzai, after the Taliban successfully eradicated it in the 1990s.

2) The Islamic State has made itself at home in Afghanistan, where it now conducts terrorist attacks against the Talibs.

3) Hundreds of thousands dead, and even more refugees.

No!!!!! LWOP is bullsh*it!

Either you give them hope or kill them. LWOP is a license to kill as many times as you want and the only thing that will stop it is a swift execution by the inmates. They have a lot less compassion and a lot more brains.

Only total morons or women could come with the abomination that LWOP is.

Not sure I follow?

Simple. An LWOP prisoner who kills again in a state without the DP can only get another LWOP. What if he kills again while serving his second LWOP?

LWOP = life without parole.... he actually makes a bit of sense (for a change) but since he didn't define his term.... confusion arose.

@mafketis

I understood the acronym, I just didn't grasp at first that Novi meant they can continue killing in prison without any further punishment.

It seemed illogical to me, that knowledge of how LWOP works, would make criminals think they can kill as much as they want on the "outside".

Now I understand.

My response:

1) First of all, who cares if they keep killing each other in jail. Less burden for the taxpayer.

2) If they misbehave on the "inside", they can still be put into solitary for extremely long periods of time. I've read this is worse than any death.

They can, however in Europe this is rare.


Google Robert Maudsley, especially the conditions he's held in. Lovely chap.

From Wiki:

In March 2000, Maudsley unsuccessfully pleaded for the terms of his solitary confinement be relaxed, or to be allowed to take his own life via a cyanide capsule.

Hehehe. See? There are things worse than death, reserved for those who simply refuse to behave.

Quite. I'd send him to a secure hospital myself. More humane and less expensive.

Plus, he's obviously as mad as a box of frogs. Thomas Harris apparently based Hannibal Lector's detention conditions on his.

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/uks-most-dangerous-serial-killer-29014168

Again, WHY should anyone concern themselves with this, when the person being discussed is known to enjoy eating human brains?