USA News and Poland - Part 2

Tried is the key word there.
Trump actually DID do something for the citizens.
And if you disagree then you make a list of all the "actual" accomplishments of obozo in his eight years and I will post all of Trumps actual accomplishments in just his three years in office.

Anyone want to guess with one is ten times longer then the other one and Trump has five years to go after spending half his time cleaning up obama's messes. ? HOOT !

You really ought to take that 'Kick Me' sign off your back Lyzko.

That is beyond just a disagreement. That is why I really hate the leftists like Lyzko. Hence, my comment above in 3449.
I admire your patience. I don't have much of it left to deal with the slime.

Awe come on, Rich......was George Costanza slime ?
No, the group just let him tag along and participate while he had not a clue that it was just sheer pity for him to be included no matter how annoying he got.

When the group poked fun at him he wasn't even aware of it so he continued with his mommy fide innuendos for their entertainment.

Like the guy that has a 'kick me' sign on his back. Hoot !

There people and the moments when I feel like hitting them. That disgusting slime would be one of them...I meant to wake them up, of course.

What the anti-Trump slime ignores is that Trump did not fail anything, but was stopped by the leftists in Congress and the courts. Like this:

Federal appeals court stops TWO of Donald Trump's immigration policies by ruling against 'stay in Mexico' rules and ban on asylum for illegal border-crossers

Sure enough, by the 9th Circuit Court - that oasis of the leftist mental disorder.

I will applaud Trump on his comments on the corona virus.
It is just flu..... flu kills people every year.
Stay calm and carry on.
Above all don't panic.

Admit that Trump has made mistakes. After all, the man's only humus:-)

Your hatred of Trump is like that of many people in the UK.
Based purely on hatred and with no logic at all.

It's ridiculous that some circuit court judge can overrule an elected president's order.

Just a few little ones though while F.D.R. & obama made many HUGE mistakes.
Big difference.
Plus the news media's only report the bad stuff about Trump.
If you can find one single article that the media produced that edifies Trump please post it. lol
You have to catch on sooner or later Lyzbo.

...that is based on the UN rules of who qualifies for a refugee status. Mexico and its high crime are NOT the legit basis to claim it. If it did, the whole fu*cking Latin America and half of Africa would qualify to move in here.

The libtards would rather see the economy crash or a pandemic just so they can blame Trump for something. We all know they dont have any platform other than socialism to run on, and spent he past 3 years fixated on sham investigations. They are so desperate right now and willing to sacrifice anything to discredit Trump.


Or they will make it up!

So, how did Obozo get super wealthy being a community organizer and a politician? He Never handled a case as an attorney. He, the Clintons and Biden, should all have their finances seriously investigated. Everything the Dems have accused Trump of doing is actually what theyre doing themselves.


The Dems try and stop him every step of the way, the spend all their time investigating and Not Legislating. Anything Trump tries to do the Dems "block and blame"...

Good news is: Trump has been packing the 9th circuit with new Judges, something Obozo forgot to do...Hopefully, a new Supreme Court pick will come soon as well:) We can watch them blow another gasket before the next election..lol

They even managed to smuggle "Trump" into the ads about garbage collecting in Chicago.

Within minutes the U.S. and the Taliban are going to sign a Peace Deal. I wonder how long it will take the Dems to bash it? If this were to happen on Obozo`s watch the fanfare and praise would be astounding!


Of course, its his fault! Even though the city has been under Dem control for over 70 years.

@Lyzko


And he disappears and goes silent to avoid more embarrassment.
Tick tock tick tock

Cockroaches hate the light of day so they hide.

That number - 97% - stuck in memory as the re-election results in the communist Poland and the rate of negative articles in the MSM about Trump.

Same kind of human waste producing same kind of results.

Trump merely represents the sadly inevitable triumph of rabble over reason, nothing more:-)
As Paul Krugman wrote in yesterday's excellent, as always on point op ed in the Times, Trump is not a president, he's a cult leader and his supporters are really followers, groupies, not constituents.

Couldn't have summed things up better myself if I tried!

@Lyzko
You're about 3 months too late with the "cult" buzzword from the msm.
You seem so desperate knowing the Dems don't have a chance in hell of beating trump. Keep crying Lyzko 😭 running out of names to call us huh? You sound like Udder now, racist, nazi, phobia stricken fools🖕🏻

And, of course, he didn't explain how the Trump voters differ from the Obongo flock. I remember Jessie's tears after the mulatto won...That's a follower for you...

And how he ignores my challenge to him.


Side steps that one too.

We constantly hear about the divide in America today. Krugman illuminates from where that divide originates: the elitist mentality that mostly comes from the left of the political spectrum. Krugman, as you have done yourself, Lyzko, portends that all Trump supporters are mindless uneducated automaton hayseed unsophiticates; while, those opposing him , whether on the left or right, are urbane cultured educated men and women of common sense and sophistication. It's just immensely narrow, stupid and arrogant (there's really no other way to put it).

Trump supporters are just as educated, cultured, and sophisticated as any one else in this country. Many of his supporters have college degrees, own businesses, work in the professions (I know a lot of lawyers, doctors, engineers, and CPAs, and the majority of them support Trump). What Krugman puts forward, and what you accept, is simply empirically baseless.

The division in America comes from Krugman and people like you who said somewhere on this forum that Middle America needs to get up to speed with the coasts.

Instead of elitist arrogance try to cogently argue on the merits, and realize the parchment that hangs on your wall does not necessitate wisdom and superiority. Like Bloomberg who claimed he could teach anyone how to farm or turn a lathe, but not just anyone can be taught to work in the digital economy (2:1 odds Bloomberg has no idea how to grow anything or how to forge, but the farmer he looks down on knows how, plus they know how economics and finance work), those who see themselves aloft the great masses are neither wise or superior, but woefully ignorant of the reality of the skills, aptitudes, sophistication, and intelligence of many who populate the middle of America and/or support Trump. What Trump supporters want is government to serve the interest of the people. If you want to make an argument against Trump argue how he's not doing such.


Should say: Instead of elitist arrogance try to cogently argue on the merits, and realize the parchment that hangs on your wall or zip code does not necessitate wisdom and superiority.

That will happen after my cat delivers a perfectly healthy human baby.
I don't have a cat, but that is how I respond to the events that are very unlikely to happen.


Perfect point. Trump is open to valid criticism from the right, but the leftists are just too stupid and attack him from their globalist Bolshevik positions.

@Rich

You may be a cynic, but I like your grumpy old man humor. :)


I want to hear arguments from all over the spectrum, but arguments of merit on how to solve problems and create policies that will positively affect the country. What we have now is not that.

Thanks. God put me on this earth as an antidote or a counterweight to the meek, hand-wringing weasels who are unable to say things simply and to the point.

I also learned not to trust men who don't swear.


What we have now is an unsustainable disaster in slow motion. I am not talking about the virus.

And look where it has gotten them and they are still continuing expecting different results.

Maybe nothing...but they are getting awfully close for my taste.
On my island, voters would have to be 25 and born on that island. No foreigner would even be allowed to be the village dog catcher. Village idiot maybe, but not the dog catcher.

@Johnny,
I'm not running out of names, but this country's running out of time!

@AntV,
I know quite a number of schooled, if not necessarily "educated", Trumpists, some of whom very well, e.g. our family physician, my dad's lawyer, and my father-in-law's stock broker.

What they all have in common is that each in their own way was the scion of parents who were mega investors in the Stock Market and didn't depend on the proverbial, Horatio Algeresque "honest day's work for an honest day's pay". The street they live on is Easy Street, right next to Wall Street.

Trump supporters, much like Tea Partyers of yore, essentially have lost the foundations upon which the US was founded and have become purile, grasping exponents of "Have it all now!" and to blazes with everyone else.

"Charity begins at home....", only not in theirs, let somebody else worry about it, just NOT our Federal Government:-)

@Lyzko

Your sample is not representative of the whole, which, by your own characterization of Trump supporters, wouldn't logically include such folks.

How have Trump supporters, or Tea Partiers, lost the foundation upon which the US was founded? What is that foundation?

Explain your comments about how greed and lack of charity defines Trump supporters. Trump has not proposed to cut social security or medicare nor abandon the poor. The vast majority who are no longer on welfare are no longer on welfare because they now have jobs. Work is much more aligned to human dignity than a hand out.

I'm in my late fifties and raised with the Horatio Alger ethos that consistent study, application, diligence, hard (but also smart) work were the keys to success in a capitalist society! I still believe that.

Pity Trump and his followers don't. They continue to make a mockery of all that FDR and his supporters stood for and it's a living disgrace.

Now, how can you debate the converse, AntV?

I'd start the debate by asking you to put forward proof that average Trump supporters do not believe that consistent study, diligence, and hard and smart work are the keys to success in a capitalist society?

I'd accompany that with pointing out that one of the major issues that garners support for Trump is his economic policies. Policies that have expanded not only the general economy, but also the job market and wages, i.e. people support him because they want jobs and good wages. In other words, they want to work for their wages, not receive government assistance, which has been the progeny of FDR's New Deal, such as LBJ's Great Society programs.