USA News and Poland - Part 2

Try it in English and less cryptic.

Nothing cryptic- simply that statement is false.

Are you mentally ill? Or is this another Polish insanity?
I will cap now so you will catch it: MY POST HAS FOUR - THAT'S 4, as in 2+2=4 - statements. Hello, anybody home?

Controversial my foot. A great man.


Really? One ship? What about selling down the river a half of a continent?

Here you go. I thought it's obvious.

Cut the crap. 1. The US owed Poland nothing. 2. You can't sell what you don't own.
Russia sold Alaska for 10 cents per acre because they owned it.

Sure, US owed European Jews nothing that is correct. The US 'sold' not only Poland but a half of the continent to a totalitarian Commie regime. The USA owed nothing to them too.

At the same time claimed and claims to this day that they have won due to some high strung principles in the name of freedom. Also they claim to be somewhat morally superior fighting 'evil' Nazis. At the same time making out with even more evil Stalin.

What makes me tic is that they are constantly patting themselves on the back in a self-congratulatory exercise, whereas in fact it was a sordid, immoral and far removed from any principles business. As soon as Americans stop spewing that crap about WWII and a clean moral victory. I'll stop talking about facts that expose their lies and hypocrisy. Got it?

Now you and I are on the same side. Wars are great business because those who profit never do the paying and the dying.


This is what people do to justify the past deaths and expenses. It helps the parents to keep their sanity to believe that their son's life was not lost for nothing. I would do the same thing. They still do it when the Afghanistan bullsh*it is discussed.

That aside, the US was in no position to tell Stalin to kindly remove the millions of the Soviet troops - just as Russia is powerless now to remove the US from the WE.

The U.S. troops were battle hardened and ready to go Rich.

I wasn't there but my bet would be to the contrary. They were exhausted and just wanted to go home. I would.
On the other hand, to tell them to continue on to fight the USSR, "an ally", would be next to impossible to sell to them. After all, they just danced together when they met the Russian troops in Germany.

Just try to write a speech for Truman to convince the nation that there is Part B to WW2. Or at least the first three paragraphs. I will be happy to read it.

Here is the beginning:

My fellow Americans,

As your President, I am compelled to announce that....

Pick it up from here.

@Johnny,
Who's pretending? Strange choice of words...and English IS your first language, therefore, you have no excuse:-)

@Ironside,

Dmowski, to a greater degree than Paderewski, was known to be fervent Polish nationalist with a pronounced antipathy towards Jews. His 'Kwestia Zydowska' amply bears this out. Why, I don't even believe he considered them Poles!!

The SS Missouri was nothing other than a shameful act of personal cowardice on FDR's part, we all agree on that.
This though scarcely robs him of his rightful place as America's most humanitarian president after Lincoln.
Neither were perfect, but then who is? You? You're just playing the Devil's Advocate, as usual.
LOL

Their imperfections have never been the issue. It's their violations of the US Constitution and acting against the will of the Americans. Like the confiscation of gold. Try to find this act as within President's authority. Or the creation of the Social Security as a federal program. Or killing Americans who wanted to separate. That last crime a gift from Lincoln.

.....or any or all type of social programs from which the struggling middle class in this country could actually benefit, right?

Face it, Roosevelt saved the world from Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin, in addition to rescuing our nation from imminent economic collapse.

What have you against empathy? Does it inconvenience your kind that much??

The states are free to do just that having been relieved of maintaining their own armies. The USC provides for "general welfare". Getting an SS check in the mail is not "general".


Nice way to sugarcoat 500,000 dead Americans. The US Constitution does not authorize the government to maintain an army to save the world. Only the US.

Even PH was not a sufficient reason to send hundreds of thousands of American men to their death, as PH was the result of the US meddling in Japan's backyard, just as we do with Russia's today.

It is dangerous approach here... ;) Judge may decide to "hide" that low-IQ person to a well guarded place, where it will be unable to cause any harm to a "non-combatants" for a longer period of time. ;) Or appoint psychiatric expertise, that may become even worse for someone with a marginal mental health - it is almost impossible to get rid of limitations for the rest of life.

Right you are, I know some brilliant people, who try to get away with crimes faking mental illness and fell into the trap of no return

The number of people pleading not guilty claiming insanity is less than 1%. I guess the word is out that it's not easy to bs the system any more.

Is that a one way street? How many Jewish figures (known to be fervent Jewish nationalists) had and have 'a pronounced antipathy towards' Poles? eh?

Beside why would they like Jews? Are the Jews just ALL without a miss that likable and nice?


Well, he must have asked them - Are you Poles? They answered - F Off we are not! Why would he consider them to be Polish after all?


I think he just didn't like Jews and though them to be sordid, tacky second class citizens like most of the American elite WASP) at the time. That attitude carried well into 60'.

He had no reason to take in more of their kind into the country. American-Jews at the time weren't going out of their way to stick out their cushy position in the USA for what they regarded as poor, ill educated and criminal Jewish underclass from Europe, particularly from Eastern Europe. For what they have cared they 'brothers' could go F themselves.

Only now their sons and grandsons in America are all so Jewish and Holocausts and this or that, when it is profitable to play a victim. Even though most oft them has nothing to do with those Jews in Europe that faced prosecution by the Germans.

Sorry, you don't have to play that card, you didn't when it counted. So now you are just shameless posers.

In your shameless eyes certainly not you but most of us here see through your transparacy and b.s.
Tell a lie enough and it becomes the truth is your motto.


No, I am challenging your propaganda about your hero F.D.R. and the New Deal that only benefited a few, not the Nation as a whole.

The New Deal was a bad deal for America because it only provided opportunities for a few and required too much government spending.


By dragging us into a war that killed millions including thousands of Americans.
Most of the New Deal programs that had not been implemented yet were Hoovers idea's, not F.D.R.'s.
Trump didn't have to start a war to jump start our economy like F.D.R. did now did he.
Trump will go down as the best president ever while F.D.R. was a horrible president.
If you care to debate me on the New Deal then please focus on F.D.R. and the New Deal ONLY, with facts, not personal propaganda and not go off on one of your endless merry go rounds that are not relevant to the debate.

You have no idea how bad I would like to debate you face to face in front of your history class on the New Deal to listen to you spit and sputter b.s.

F.D.R. and J.F.K are known as the worst Presidents besides the ultimate failure, "Jimmy Carter". However, Obama is certinaly closing the gap as his activities are being slowly exposed.

Dems have always the worst Presidents thoughout our history. Has there ever been a decent one?

I just hate to hear these myths about the Great Depression continue and how the New Deal saved us.
Most of us in high school learned that the Free Market Capitalism caused the Great Depression.
Like Rich stated, it was the Federal Reserve (created in 1913) that caused the Great Depression.
He was spot on.
Not only did the Federal Reserve fail to prevent the Great Depression but it was primarily responsible for its severity.
The Federal Reserve controls the money supply and would never exist in a true free market economy.
Isn't that right Lyzko ?

Depends on whom you ask, people!
To the filthy rich, sometimes idle, sometimes not, Roosevelt was Satan incarnate, as he "foolishly" believed that working people should actually have something......IN THEIR LIFE-TIMES, rather than before they depart this Earth:-) No, he didn't believe that ever American was a natural-born, do-it-all-yourself survivalist a la Laura Ingalls Wilder & Alonzo. Deserving Americans who need help, should get it.

To the working poor, the middle-class barely able to make ends meet during the Great Depression, FDR was rightly deemed a savior, and savior he surely was. Perhaps it was his polio, but he was singularly able to step down off the high horse of congenital privilege and realize that the most miserable, starving wretch on the streets on up through the wealthiest industrialist, was nonetheless a human being, worthy of the same dignity as he himself.

@Ironside,

Roosevelt was doubtless influenced by his mother's latent anti-Semitic bigotry, this may well be true. Eleanor too confess in some of her letters that both her parents were bigoted.

Yet she was proud that eventually she learned wise ways as concerned blacks and Jews:-)
Sure the S.S. Missouri was something of which both he and the Jews remained deeply ashamed.

You are avoiding the question if your actions, however noble, were authorized by the Constitution. He was breaking the law just as a bank robber who would rob to feed the hungry.

Predictably, the Federal Reserve mafia who caused the Great Depression got away with it unscratched only to later play stupid.


Should have been: ...if his actions,

No, no he was not, not at all Lyzko.
In 1931, a year before FDR was elected president, the unemployment rate was 16.3 percent.
By 1939, nearly two terms into the Roosevelt administration, the unemployment rate had risen to 17.2 percent.
The New Deal clearly didn't lower unemployment like the myth most of us were taught.
In May 1939, Treasury Secretary Henry J. Morgenthau Jr. stated that, "we are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...And an enormous debt to boot."

The depression would have been much shorter without the New Deal Lyzko so FDR was NOT deemed a savior as you continue to try to portray.

And that is why I find you so annoying when you try to promote such myths about FDR and the New Deal.
The picture that you try to paint is all smoke and mirrors.

Numbers are a drag; can't argue with them. That's why every bser likes adjectives and undefinable nouns.

I wonder if the American fascists will get it through their stupid heads that the defendant - Trump - has no obligation to call witnesses and that the jury - the US Senate - has no right to call any witnesses. The defendant's lawyers have every right to make an opening statement and present closing arguments - with nothing in between. NO witnesses, no evidence, no nothing - if the defendant so desires.

This is the first time in recorded history that an immigrant from Poland - that's me - is smarter than all these fu*cking House Democrats put together. And my only contact with the US laws were a couple of speeding tickets.

Let's back up to WW1.
(Where did you go in the middle of our debate ? lol)
WW 1 left Poland, and much of Europe, in a state of famine and destitution.
The United States responded with the American Relief Administration, headed by future president Herbert Hoover.
During and after World War I, Hoover directed the largest relief operation ever mounted in Europe, saving millions from starvation.
Train loads of food were shipped to Poland in 1919 and half a billion meals were given to country's hungry in the years after the war.

The Poles did not forget and that is why they loved America.
Hoover, not FDR saved Poland.

Federal investigators are just beginning their inquiry into the cause of the helicopter crash that killed Kobe Bryant, his daughter and seven other people Sunday morning in Calabasas.

You can stop that inquiry. The cause was the moron who flew that chopper at 160 miles per hour in a fog so dense no other helicopters would fly.

Is that the best your bosses can come up with this morning ? Stick to tried and tested stuff - Crimea, Brexit, Latinos.

Never mind - you are probably on the tram home already, looking at a new week through the bottom of a cheap vodka bottle.

Seriously - why not get some help or get a hobby instead of spending whole nights trolling. Watch a Kobe highlight reel or try a new kind of yoga.

And you have what against Obozos and Kenya? Does your post mean you are a racist and white supremacist?


That's true. This American help was directed at children in particular and as a form of gratitude a monument (destroyed later in the WW2) was erected in 1922 to commemorate this US help in a most prestigious place in Warsaw next to the monument of Adam Mickiewicz.

Tbh, after the WW2 the memory of this was covered by the UNRA help. I could still find sturdy wrappings to UNRA packages in the attic of my grand dad's house in the beginning of the 1970s

If you still have them you could put them on E-Bay under memorabilia and fetch good money for them here in the U.S.A.