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johnny reb
4 Jul 2024  #661

.and the mods are all British or Irish...... LOL!!!!!!! Paranoid moron!

They are ya dumb ass.shed for brains Turd.
Prove me wrong ya loud mouthed British Nerd troll.
Ya can't and you won't so stfu.

Joker
4 Jul 2024  #662

There is no legal mechanism to get Biden out of the race. He has all the delegates, and the only way he gets out is if he resigns.

His press secretary stated today he aint going anywhere. Fine by me. Powodzenia!

The current breed of MAGAs are certainly not what the Grand Old Party once stood for.

The current breed of Demorats are certainly not the party of JFK or even what Bill clinton stood for. I voted for Bill Clinton when I used to be a Chicago Demorat. Most have jumped ship as their woke policies and green haired freaks are just too much to bear anymore. They destroyed California so badly that a mass exodus is occuring...

A vote for Biden is actually a vote for our Border Czar Kamooola!! Because we all know she could NEVER win on her own.

Kamala Harris drops out of 2020 presidential race
Harris had been lagging in the polls and struggling to gain traction


She couldnt even muster up 3% in her home state and had to drop out!! Everyone hates this suka! LOL

Powodzenia......Demorats youre gonna need it!! HooT!

TheOther
4 Jul 2024  #663

But you complained about some wanting to remove it in a prior post.

Certainly not. Show me the post.

You sound just like a typical socialist democract.

I'm an Independent who doesn't like the right-wing Libertarian ways of certain Republican officials. Every state on its own, everyone for himself or herself, no empathy for anyone who is less fortunate ... that's a greedy, selfish and inhumane society.

The current breed of Demorats are certainly not the party of JFK or even what Bill clinton stood for.

I agree. The Democrats have no good candidates, the Republicans have even worse.

Those states could on their own they didn't have to pay federal income tax

No state can carry the cost of repeated natural disasters on its own. None. And you can't be serious to ditch the federal income tax. Not interested in providing for national programs such as national defense, veterans and law enforcement all of a sudden? I thought that's the holy MAGA trifecta?

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #664

less fortunate ... that's a greedy, selfish and inhumane society.

That produces strong reliable men, check out Argentina next 10-20 years and what fruit it might bring to not only Argentina but, Latin America.

Then you can continue writing such things while Latin America get's better.

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #665

check out Argentina next 10-20 years

Disaster.

In time of chaos, a 'libertarian' populist is a poor choice.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #666

@jon357
It times of economic disaster, it will certainly wake up a lot more people to make a stand and care for their future. Wether they accept his thoughts or not. I think it will do Argentina a lot of good.

You are being to pessimistic

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #667

it will certainly wake up a lot more people

Or impoverish them.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #668

@jon357
They are already impoverished and indebted, it just doesn't look like it. Facades are worthless

I just hope they get together and start building a future for themselves and their neighbours (attracting work migrants) it would lessen the load for U.S.A, and it wouldn't need to be jingoistic about some Islands off it's coast. WIN+win+win situation

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #669

already impoverished and indebted

Which is one of the many reasons that a government for the rich will worsen that. A basket case getting worse.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #670

@jon357
To share, you need to have something first. I say more rich people in Argentina, more that can be shared! Not less!

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #671

To share

Who mentioned sharing?

The problem with 'trickle down' economics is that it's only a trickle.

A high Gino Coefficient is a sign of third world economics.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #672

@jon357
Problem with non-producing economies, is lack of goods and increasing prices! I see a bright future for Argentina! Compared to the negative downward spiral of certain nations!

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #673

@Mr Grunwald
They produce a lot there, however the revenues go to the richest while the poor starve. Not a way for a society to develop.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #674

@jon357
The poor starve if it's not enough food. Justice and fair distribution can happen when it is enough to go around not when it's too little to go around regardless of how many in amounts or percentages is hoarded at tve top. Hoarders hoard, issue is making more and make what's in need. Not robbing bakeries cause they seem to not want sell if they are actually lacking flour! Simple as that

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #675

The poor starve if it's not enough food

They do now.

it's too little to go around regardless of how many in amounts or percentages is hoarded at tve top

If society's capial and assets are hogged by the richest few percent, of course there's too little to go around.

Not robbing

Why would society need to 'rob' what belongs to it?

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #676

Always true unless you're a tiny country with a small population and a lot of oil/gas


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Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #677

@jon357
It belongs to whom it belongs, somebody who does not own something has no right to somebody else materials.

Argentina and just like most countries is not totalitarian and isn't united like a small little village. It would be dilusional to think that.

Simply put. It needs more production

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #678

It belongs to whom it belongs

Exactly. Capital belongs to society.

Argentina and just like most countries is not totalitarian and isn't united like a small little village.

It's a sewer.
Simply put. It needs more production

Very true, provided the Workers get the full fruits of their labour, rather than it being sucked away by oligarchs.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #679

Exactly. Capital belongs to society.

Most definitively not, it's societies responsibility as a whole to take care of group needs. It owns nothing

Individuals own what they own and freely give up or away what they deem necessary for the common good. No group has any right to anything! Simple

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #680

It owns nothing

Or everything

Individuals own what they own

All wealth is common wealth

No group has any right to anything

Society isn't a 'group'; it is everyone

And 'libertarianism' doesn't work.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #681

@jon357
No, society is a feeling of belonging. A feeling cannot own.

Wealth is wealth, individuals have wealth. Society has none

Society is a description of a group that wishes each other no harm to co-operate on survival. What are you on about? Mixing society with markets now are we?

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #682

No, society is a feeling of belonging.

That doesn't make sense.

individuals have wealth. Society has none

Individuals often expropriate society's wealth.

markets

An artificial term if ever there was one.

Somehow, I don't think you'd enjoy living in a libertarian environment. Argentina barely has any infrastructure due to society's wealth being robbed by the greedy; soon it will have none,

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #683

@jon357
Individuals often expropriate society's wealth.

A few individual criminals and with questionable morals does not disqualify the existence of individuals. Police, judges and general security is in place to go after criminals after all.

An artificial term if ever there was one.

There is nothing artificial about people coming together to trade, exchange and live peacefully with as little conflict as possible.

Looking and creating for problems that aren't there in pursuit of power, wealth and influence is Damning however for everyone involved

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #684

A few individual criminals and with questionable morals

That's capitalists defined rather nicely.

people coming together to trade, exchange and live peacefully with as little conflict as possible

So society and its wealth.

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #685

That's capitalists defined rather nicely.

Your view of what a capitalist is, my statement was regarding scoundrels who abuse an economical model of any kind. Abuse of economical model and reaping rewards of his own labour are two different things.

So society and its wealth.

Your words for markets (not market stall or shopping malls mind you)

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #686

who abuse an economical model of any kind

It's an economic model predicated on abuse.

Feel free to relocate to 'libertarian' Argentina and wait for capitalists to "share" their wealth with you. Take a long book to read while you're waiting. Perhaps Das Kapital?

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #687

Perhaps Das Kapital?

If I wished to abuse, drain wealth and mind trick people while possible killing thousands or millions of people. I would have read the dark books of "Mein Kampf, "Das kapital" and any book with topic of astrology signs...

jon357
4 Jul 2024  #688

abuse, drain wealth and mind trick people

That's what capitalism is; hence developed societies keeping strong restraints on it.

I wouldn't compare the world's best known book on economics with apologetics fromn a fascist or magical thinking like astrology or religion though...

Novichok
4 Jul 2024  #689

as national defense,

Hey, stupid, the US is spending 12 times more than Russia and 4 times more than China.

Now pay attention: Not a single dollar of the 1 trillion we spend every fvcking year goes to the defense of the US. Not even one because nobody is attacking the US. We actually invite terrorists to kill Americans. See 9/11 and Boston.

That trillion is spent on the defense of South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Ukraine, and Western Europe, and just being the dumbest world cop.

Is the US army defending the US from the invasion by criminals, rapists, murderers, spies, and terrorists entering the US by the thousands every damn day? Nope...They are too busy doing charitable work all over the globe...

What a moron...

Mr Grunwald
4 Jul 2024  #690

That's what capitalism is

Your view of the outcome of capitalism while ignoring all the wealth, materials, technology, possibilities and opportunities that arise cause you deem it "normal" while I see them all as the biproduct of it which gives it reason to have as a system.

I do not see that book as a world renowned book on economics, I see it as a mischievously made book mentioning criminals and attributing criminals and their mentality to a system they abuse.

And it has every reason to lump it with less dangerous books. "Das Kapital" has produced most bodybags throughout history.

THAT should tell any sane person something


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