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Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2191

with 97% of the vote? New dog, same old tricks.

What would the result be if the referendum was conducted to your rules?

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2192

Because he cozies up to Xi

OK, I got it, being friendly to a guy who can help is "cozying" up.

wags his tail

Last time I checked, only dogs can wag tails. People don't have tails.

sells him oil and gas for peanuts

No. China pays in rubbles or other currency both sides agreed on.
Chinese weapons (which he's not going to get)
You don't know that.
China considers Russia a colonial country
You don't know what "China" thinks. China is 1.5 billion people and you didn't talk to a single one.
As I said - quite sad.
You are lying. You are not sad at all.

Summarizing: Your post is a prime example of why I can't stand Poles. Really. You guys make my skin crawl with your metaphors, exaggerations, and presenting your idiotic opinions as facts,

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2193

Time will tell which European allies the U.S. has been spying on.

Everybody is spying on foe and friend alike.

Israel is very upset about this which is not good.

Israel should be reminded about Pollard, USS Liberty, and the Rosengergs. These two scumbags spied for the Soviets but they were Jews first.

Paulina
14 Apr 2023  #2194

@BB, don't take it personally though - I think that, for example, Hungary should be spied on too. Of course, Germany is more important in this respect than Hungary, but still...

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2195

That decision could influence this war....if one believes the Chinese that is....

For wisdom, it's best to stay with Gemans and away from Poles.
Nobody should believe anything. If China planned to help Russia, China would be insane to say it because there would be no upside to it.

Nah....trusting the chinese party leadership would be stupid!

Trusting anyone is stupid and useless. That's why we have satellites that can read newspapers.
Two rules to remember 24/7 - Rule 1: Trust nobody. Rule 2: Everybody is lying, especially, Western "democratic" scum because one has to lie to be elected.

Bratwurst Boy
14 Apr 2023  #2196

Rule 1: Trust nobody.

Let's say there are shades and gradations....

Rule 2: Everybody is lying

It's especially galling from the Chinese who always act as if nobody but them knows about honor...

Przelotnyptak1
14 Apr 2023  #2197

Who knows? I do not claim I am the source of all knowledge, but I can state with certainty it would be far different from 97%.

As for my rules, they are the same all over the civilized world: one man, one vote, counted honestly. So 97% to begin with, it is dishonest and does not exist in nature, Assuming the information is fraudulent. Is anything from the same source believable?

Different dog, but the Soviet method remains.

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2198

So 97% to begin with, it is dishonest and does not exist in nature

I found some referendum results from civilized and democratic places.

In 2002, Gibraltar voted on whether to be free from Great Britain. What was the outcome? 98.97% of voters, voted against seceding. This left many Spaniards unhappy, but to this day Gibraltar remains a part of the UK.

How could this happen, if 98.97% does not exist in nature?

Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum#:~:text=The%20Gibraltar%20sovereignty%20referendum%20of,Spain%20and%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

Let's take a look now at the 2013 Falklands Referendum. How many people voted to stay a part of the UK? That's right - 99.80%. That great manipulator Putin should have been more bold with his election rigging, right? If even glorious and civilized Britain is not afraid to engineer results which "do not exist in nature".

Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2199

I might be wrong but the overall climate regarding this war seems to be somewhat changing in the West

You don't say?

Over a long enough trajectory, the balance between wishful thinking and truth, will always tip in favor of truth, like a 400lb retarded redneck girl with diabetes on a see-saw... opposite a dwarf.

PolAmKrakow
14 Apr 2023  #2200

What if this information dump is a misdirection play? They used misdirection last fall for their offensive. Could they really be this complex about it? Just a thought that crossed my mind since a good portion of the information has been proven inaccurate already.

Than again, what if Novi and Bobko are in on it and set the American kid up? Maybe tinfoil hats work, maybe they dont.

PolAmKrakow
14 Apr 2023  #2201

@Bobko
This kid was only charged with two counts. Two lower variety charges and is not looking at decades behind bars. I am just suspiscious of everything. And a lot of the information has been debunked, not all of it is secret or accurate. Something is not right about this.

I just saw the new Danish CAESAR systems going to Ukraine. Holy $hit these things look amazing like portable extra long howitzers. Really incredible weapon.

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2202

@Bratwurst Boy

There is an amplitude. In the 1990s, America had no better friend than Russia. Music, film, clothes, cars, cosmetics, food - everything was American. One of the most popular songs was called "American Boy", and in that song a woman sang about her great desire for an American to pluck her out of our Russian misery.

Then disillusion set in, and resentment grew.

But in reference to my comment - it was meant to refer to the average intelligence of American policy makers. It's estimation is pretty low in Russia. We recognize that Americans as a people are brilliant, but the people in charge are usually quite a bit less so. Curious trait of this great country.

GefreiterKania
14 Apr 2023  #2203

the Americans are thinking some pretty dark thoughts

Too right they are! Look at PolAm - the shift from "Happy gulag biatches! Enjoy your sh*t sandwiches!" to "I would no longer support defending Ukraine and would hope the EU lets it collapse" is, you have to admit, delicately shocking.

Anyways, just in case: if the whole scandal turns out to be true, if US loses patience with Zelensky, if China helps you with the weapons, if Ukraine collapses, if what we considered to be retarded Russian propaganda turns out to contain some grains of truth etc. etc. (yes, I know it's a lot of ifs), then just remember that Poland, deep inside, was never entirely anti-Russian. Our conduct might not have seem balanced or reasonable but we did this for the greater good of Russia so as not to let her wallow in too easy a victory and lose her vigilance. Also, all the talk about dividing Russia into 11-14 states was just tongue-in-cheek - come on, you didn't really think we were serious?

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2204

Our conduct might not have seem balanced or reasonable

Oh but of course, Comrade Kania, we appreciate the emotionality of our Polish brothers. Now, would you please proceed with me to room #6, where my colleague would like to speak with you briefly?

GefreiterKania
14 Apr 2023  #2205

Now, would you please proceed with me to room #6, where my colleague would like to speak with you briefly?

F*ck... :-/

Is it very cold in Siberia?

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2206

Is it very cold in Siberia?

Due to uncontrolled growth by Western capitalists, our planet is warming, and Siberia is no exception.

Kashub1410
14 Apr 2023  #2207

@Bobko
Would it be by train or foot?

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2208

@Kashub1410

For Kania, for his dithering and dancing on the fence, it will be by foot.

You, I believe, can avoid deportation - but it might be necessary to place you under surveillance for a year or two.

mafketis
14 Apr 2023  #2209

have to differentiate between state opinion by politicians and their supporting media and the people

In the absence of first hand evidence (lucky me) I'll go with Vlad Vexler's estimation the russian population

liberals 15-20 % of the population but completely voiceless and dispirited and impotent

hardcore (think putain is too soft) 20-25% full of rage and killing people in other countries shows how 'great' russia is

blob 50-65% very apolitical and apathetic, tries to not think of the war and their greatest goal is to be ignored

russian state tv's purpose is to convince the liberals that resistance is futile, convince the hardcore that they're killing as many people as possible and plan on killing more, and to convince the blob that they don't want to get involved

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2210

Hey, Ptak and other Russia haters...can you force yourself to at least give Bobko one "I didn't know that..."?
You are not obligated to admit that he is a genius. Just that he is better informed. So how about it, boys and girls?

Who knows?

I do. I am 100% sure that the vote would be equal to or greater than 51% to join the Russian Federation. Zero doubt.

GefreiterKania
14 Apr 2023  #2211

For Kania (...) it will be by foot.

K*rwa... that's just my luck in life. Typical.

*goes looking for cheap plane tickets to South America*

Kashub1410
14 Apr 2023  #2212

@Bobko
I would be careful of thinking about if I were you, if I were bitter man. I could been hired by FSB and be part of the group survailing Russian emigrants in the west.

I got enough language skills and IT knowledge to be more then useful to the right people. Lucky for you or any of your compatriots, Poland haven't been annexed by Russia nor does it seem likely.

Besides my honour and loyalty to Poland, should guarantee you from any possible coming from me "comrade"

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2213

This should wake the Ukrainians up to the need to be more realistic in their dealings.

First, you are the only one here worth reading.
Second, that damn Novichok is really a genius with his Z-P=0. A year later, 400,000 dead, 10,000,000 displaced, billions of US tax dollars spent, Ukraine in ruins ... all for sh*it aka "freedom and democracy" - both imaginary.

that the only way out is to double down.

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Enough of that nice guy bs. It never works.

Russia nor does it seem likely.

Russia would have to be forced to annex nuts who hate them and are willing to die to show how passionate they are about it.

Bobko
14 Apr 2023  #2214

First, you are the only one here worth reading.

While I know you never told me such a thing, let me tell you:

1) I love reading your posts
2) I hate that you're buddy buddy with some local degenerates. Why?
3) This left-right, liberal-conservative stuff is nonsense invented by rich people to sodomize you.
4) Stick with what feels right

GefreiterKania
14 Apr 2023  #2215

Still, happy gulag you dumb putinazi coxuckers!

Aaah, the balance in the world is restored - yin, yang and all that sh*t.

You got me worried there for a moment. :)

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2216

3) This left-right, liberal-conservative stuff is nonsense invented by rich people to sodomize you.

...aka fu*cking with my brain.

It's top-bottom - everywhere. Left-right is a deflection. That's why I actually talked to a bunch of blacks to tell them that the Dem scum is using them. They reported me to the HR department.

My greatest failure on PF is not being able to separate otherwise smart people - aka here as bootlickers - from their "legal representatives". Like two dogs fu*cking...stuck in that familiar position...PF bootlickers adore their ruling mob.

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2217

I am so confused...Instead of saying thank you for bringing the natural goodness and the blessings of NATO to Russia's doorstep, Russia gets upset as if the prospect of breaking Russia into smaller and more manageable pieces and teaching Russian kids the joys of gender switching was something really bad...

Miloslaw
14 Apr 2023  #2218

PF bootlickers adore their ruling mob.

I think you are wrong there.
By PF bootlickers, I suspect you mean Europeans......
Have you read any news about the strikes and protests across Europe lately or are you too Americanocentric?
Europeans do not adore their ruling mob.

Miloslaw
14 Apr 2023  #2219

@Novichok

Sorry Rich, but that post made no sense to me at all!

Novichok
14 Apr 2023  #2220

Europeans do not adore their ruling mob.

Good point, Milo, you didn't have to make it because I am keenly aware of the difference between the PF Euros and the Europeans out there. I am really impressed with the latter group as well as the Brits for their Brexit. I only wish Americans got up and did the same. I mean riot. OK, protest...

You personally are one of the good ones I respect - if it means anything to you - our differences notwithstanding.

Have you read any news about the strikes and protests across Europe lately

Yes, I have and I am in awe and jealous. It goes to show that generalizations are a waste of time.

or are you too Americanocentric?

I am that when common Americans are discussed. I really like them. The ruling mob is another matter...


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