Who are real men?

On FB someone posted a B&W photo of Bob Hope, John Wayne, Ronald Reagan, Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra, all in smart dinner jackets presumably at some gala (Oscar night maybe?) The caption read:

REAL MEN, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THOSE WHO GO TO TARGET BATHROOMS.

I never went to a Target (in my area K-Mart was the main discount house), but I presume it refers to the antithesis of those pictured, ie unmanly types. Sad to say I'm too computer unsavvy and ungadgetarian to transfer the photo.

Like you Pol, I am just an old school out dated homophobe. lol
Target Stores are now allowing transgender's to use the woman's bathrooms.
Presently there is a huge boycott going on and many women are refusing to shop there.
Would you want your four year old daughter to be in a bathroom tinkling and have some grown man wearing a dress walk in to wash his hands in the same sink with her ?

What the hell is this world coming to !
I refuse to accept or tolerate such B.S.

I've added target to my long list of businesses and companies that I will no longer shop at, along with FOX.

This world is becoming degenerated further and further. You guys are lucky - most of you are middle aged and you lived your lives during a time when society was still pretty normal. I mean just a few decades ago Elvis, KISS and playboy were about the most obscene things in society. Oh how far down we have gone in such a short time. Imagine what this world is going to look like for your children and your descendants in 50 years. I bet all the great founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

It's pretty funny it's the three of you posting here...
I have no idea what a target bathroom is...
However to me a real men is a man that takes care of his family and I don't mean money (although if he can he should take care of his part of the family budget). Neither metrosexual nor macho is in my opinion a desirable men. Both to me seem more like caricature of a man. One because they choose to show their feminine side the other because they are trying to prove they are men.


For one if she's doing her buissness she wouldn't even see him, and even if she was washing her hands and he came in I would see no problem with that. Where do you see any problem? Just that she sees him? Or that she uses the same sink?

Target is a big box store in America like Walmart, (Variety of everything from food, to cloths, to luggage, electronics, etc.)


I see it as a potential problem of a sex predators paradise to be able to be alone with a child or vulnerable for a ladies privacy.

Urinals in men's public bathrooms are designed for standing to pee.
Women sit to pee and if you want to sit on a splattered up seat then you have atter'.
If this is going to be the case then I would suggest that ALL Public bathrooms be open to male or female.
(except there is always a long line waiting to pee at a woman's bathrooms.)
I guess the question is, "if male transgender's are going to be allowed in a woman's Public bathroom then ALL men should be allowed in a woman's bathroom."

God forbid if we discriminate and become bigots and racists.
I am personally done shopping at Target or any other store that supports such B.S.

Just having to view such sick kooks is disgusting. A few decades ago nobody had even heard of such nonsense -- now the lunatic fringe of weidros, whackos and assorted loons seems to be growing wider.

Come on, Polonius - being transgender/transsexual is most likely a genetical thing that people can't change. The Target debate has nothing to do with that.


Doesn't mean that transgender/transsexual people didn't exist. Same with gays or lesbians. The difference is that society in the 1950's and early 1960's was so uptight that everybody was afraid to talk about taboos. Remnants of that thinking are still around: every nipple and ass on TV blurred (even ancient statues and famous paintings), every swear word bleeped.

Are you kidding me? You're either born with a penis or a vag - you can't change the chromosomes you're born with. This is nothing more than environmental engineering and feminizing men.

Adrian, don't be stupid, there have been studies.
Plus your list is not complete- there are also ppl born without any specified gender and then parents decide what they prefer. The chances the parents will choose well is 50-50

Right, the little girls were called "Tom Boys" that preferred to do boy things and the little boys that preferred to do girl things were called "Fems" which still holds true today.

Genes and genitals don't determine gender identity on a purely reproductive level, but newer scientific research seems to suggest neurobiological origins for transsexualism that are caused by genetic factors as well as hormonal influences on the developing brain of a fetus. I've read about this recently when the Target discussion was still in full swing. Can't find the source right now, so you might want to google for "CNS imprinting" (that one I remember) and "transsexualism".

He is not one being stupid here. What studies? How many people you are talking about are born for every million, more? less? You have being change of being run over by a car that ever see a person who is really and specifically born like that( i.e. parents have to choose its gender).

Most people like that are generally mental problem patients.
The crux of the matter here is in granting to some people privileges which in turn is causes problems in a normal main stream flow of social fabric in a human society.

Your example have nothing to do with the subject, in Poland, especially in small towns you don't have issues like that.
Societies always(or near enough) granted some leeway to oddities, freaks and estranged people as long as they weren't wearing their oddity as a badge to flash around. That is not a point!

The point is that when a six foot ten dude wearing a wing walks into ladies restroom and what's more that his right. No - he doesn't have his dangling bits removed. He is not even challenged or no one ask him for anything - he could be a pretender, pedophile or whatnot. That is outright dumb!

No wonder many people are not pleased.


;curtsey PF policy that allows only that much to be quoted.; 'This
article will argue that the safety of women as a group requires that toilet provision should
remain sex segregated [...] '

That from your fellow feminists in so called women studies. Full article:


Yes, they get paid for teaching such a BS. Studies phew!

I went into the men toilet few times and I had a man walking into women. I don't see big problem with neither. The only thing I would miss is the talking. In a pub/club the restroom is the area where women chat.

If you don't see a difference between a general rule and an exception then you shouldn't participate in a debate about general issues.

What I meant is that I wouldn't mind it as a general rule.
And in my town there is a bar where there is only one bathroom with two cubicles. Unisex. No one has any problems using it.

We are not talking about one restroom for all but we are talking about some freaks using ladies bathrooms. I personally don't care either, seems that women care.

No thanks. I've already posted about LGBT as jon was arguing that there isn't obscenity, nudity, and simulation of sexual acts in gay pride parades in the LGBT thread - I've already nearly vomitted enough times today.


Extemely broad topic. CNS = central nervous system... I don't see how nerve tissues in the brain and spine has much affect on gender identity


WTF are you talking about? Last time I checked, in order to reproduce you have to put a d1ck in a vag - the same is true for rats, dogs, birds, insects, and humans.

The point is getting rid of this ridiculous policy that anyone can use any bathroom as it affects both normal hetero men and women. PC is simply getting insane in the US. If you told me in high school there's be 3rd gender bathrooms I'd say your crazy. Yet thats where were at. I am all for tolerance but that's no longer good enough for the PC crowd - now we're forced to accept things like this with no regard for our own philosophies or religious beliefs. I'd be considered a transphobe or whatever for opposing this and told to be accepting of these people's beliefs. Shouldn't these individuals also be at least tolerant of my Roman Catholic beliefs and Polish customs? Thats a double standard - we are forced to accept others beliefs and choices but those people dont tolerate and respect my beliefs. This is one of the many reasons why people abroad are laughing at the US, believe me on this i travel a lot and foreigners make fun of us citing situations like this. If you have a penis you go to the mens bathroom, if you have a vag you use the womens bathroom. I wouldn't want my wife or daughter going to a rest room to tinkle if there could be a guy in there too. It raises the possibility of watching her. Likewise if I'm in the bathroom I don't want to share it with a woman who thinks she's a man. To answer your question, this makes it much easier for a male pervert to watch a young female in the bathroom. We've had male bathrooms for female bathrooms for centuries if not eons and it hasnt been a problem till recently. Now a tiny fraction of the population asks us to appease them and change our behavior, without a care if it against our beliefs. If it ain't broke don't fix it.


There have been many different incidents of males who took advantage of these new policies and said they identified as females and assaulted others or videotaped them. The policies simply made it much easier for perverts to do things like this. The cases in England, Toronto, Seattle, Los Angeles and Virginia all shared a similarity in the sense that a man stated he identified as a woman went into a bathroom, locker room, or changing room and either videotaping or sexual assaulted other women. Unfortunately the major media outlets do not report much on this. However, stories such as these can be found on reputable outlets online and include detailed descriptions of the case, mugshots, the charges the perpetrator received, etc.

FYI I signed the Target boycott - and we have over 1 million signatures as of the weekend. That 1 million people who are against this ridiculous policy clearly outweighs the amount of trannys arguing for being able to use whatever bathroom they want.

Transsexualism is viewed as psychopathological and is listed as a mental illness in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, under the term "Gender Identity Disorder" (GID).

Granted this is without a whole lot of experiment backed evidence but more through observation and case study, because not many cared to waste their time designing experiments in this field and there aren't other scholars who can challenge their findings because most doctors quite frankly don't care. Transexualism = mental illness has been and continues to be the prevailing form of thought for over the past 30 years among doctors, researches, and psychologists who mainly attributed it behavior and environment. Basically, most PhD's blamed transexualism on their own "sexually deviant mental illness."

Isn't that the same manual that claimed homosexuality to be a disease, too?

Not exactly credible.

You are familiar with a word aberration delph? Would define it for us?

I'd beg to differ -

American Psychiatric Association - The American Psychiatric Association (APA) is the main professional organization of psychiatrists and trainee psychiatrists in the United States, and the largest psychiatric organization in the world. Its some 36,000 members are mainly American but some are international. The association publishes various journals and pamphlets, as well as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). The DSM codifies psychiatric conditions and is used worldwide as a guide for diagnosing disorders.

So yes, I tend to believe this a far more credible source than some pro-tranny activist, trained in computer engineering, who claims its neurological yet cites not one experiment that follows the scientific method.

ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TScauses.html