IF EU let refugees to Europe

Agreed. The most frightening thing about Merkel's offer was that it gave a green light to absolutely anyone claiming to be Syrian to get to Germany and vanish. It wouldn't be difficult in places such as Wedding in Berlin to simply fade into the background, after all.

The problem now is that I give it about a week before they start turning up on the Croatian-Slovenian border. The Serbia-Bosnia border is wide open and not even properly demarcated, and the blue/green borders between Croatia and Bosnia aren't well controlled in many areas.


It would have been by far the best solution. They would then be able to travel legally to Germany without having to risk their lives on crappy boats, and also Germany could take as many as they were prepared for and no more.

I dunno, I was around there and it's very mountainous. The thing with Hungary is it's flat as a pancake where they were entering if they try to get through the Jugoslav mountains there's gonna be people dying form exposure and/or exhaustion, dehydration.

Yes Delph, but, there are still 650,000 land mines buried there. I pity anyone that is stupid enough to go cross-country.

It's not that bad - most minefields are well marked, and as long as you stick to obviously-used trails, it's perfectly safe.

Syrians are already sharing landmines maps of croatia on social media, it seems that it's a bit dangerous there...

Croatia isn't dangerous in the slightest. Minefields are all very well marked, and there are no real minefields left in open territory. Most of the remaining minefields are in difficult to access terrain where no-one would walk anyway - for instance, in Vukovar, there are minefields that are in forests on a hill.

Some syrians might consider taking difficult routes (thinking that they're avoiding any local authority)

Why doesn't the West just promise to stop blowing up their homes and loved ones?

Win-Win

So you imagine that they are going to stick to the roads/railway tracks where they will be seen and picked up? The Syrian has already told you that they are looking at ways to sneak across the borders. Why would you be interested in looking at maps showing minefields if you were going to follow the roads?

I would rather guess that they're looking at minefield maps to know where to cross the borders, as opposed to in-country navigation. Bosnia won't do anything to stop them going by bus/train once they cross the border, simply because it's far too poor a country to afford to control them properly.

There are some minefields on borders - for instance, at Zeljava Air Base (near Bihać) - where you really wouldn't want to go walking around the forest. That's why they will be looking at maps.

Morning all. Delph, your post yesterday (1631) 100% right. Just on BBC, CNN, Euronews, people now going via Croatia/Slovenia I thought it might happen but not this quickly. Another development, people now walking from Turkey into Greece.

Today Polish TV showed Orban saying somethign along the lines of: We have been a Christian nation for 1,000 years and have gone through centuries of invasions, two world wars, communism and an economic crisis and have worked hard to get where we are. We do not need the refugee chaos....

The neo-Marxists, one-worlders, anarchists and assorted PF know-alls who seem thrive on chaos will claim he's fascist ot racist, but what's wrong with wanting to live amongts one's own kind in a familiar cultural setting? Shouldn't that be everybody's personal sovereign choice? Can forced compassion or charity be imposed on people from above or legislated?

Feeling guilt or even hate over ones heritage is a Western Civilization phenomenon. One must wonder why such extremist is being spoon fed.

croatia's PM announces that his country will allow refugees to pass

theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/16/first-refugees-head-for-croatia-after-hungarys-border-crackdown-live-updates#block-55f937a1e4b0a1e0c61905ca

Good. Let'em all go to Germany.

Merkel, like Orban, is now tightening the borders of her country in order to stave off the flow of immigrants. Let's see if it helps.

All reminds me history of lebanon.lebaneesse christian goverment also invited muslims out of pity and compassion.sad end

What are you talking about?

Merkel realized that they would be flowing in great numbers and that will affect the EU polulation to an enormous extend. After all, Merkel was taught history and she knows that all her Germanic tribes had once flown into the Roman Empire in search of social welfare of the time, that is for looting goods, and the Empire was finshed as a political structure. The Hungarians also had their big share of invading and looting Europe (Slavic lands, but also Germanic people who were deadly terryfied at the sound of the name 'Hungarian') in the Middle Ages, so the Hungarians know what they are doing now in erecting fences against the new 'barbarians' from the Middle East.

Plo.palestinians.didnt take em long before start killing christians

@greg; That's the story that the dead Assad sold to the world as his excuse to send his army into Lebanon, supposedly to "save Christians". Relevant to the topic because it helps understand the history that lead Syria to the current situation.

And that was a war crime. What was the UK doing educating his children? The mind boggles.

Polsyr, don't bother trying to educate the rednecks on this forum. They are just carrying on from where their grandads left off..

Here's a video to keep people focused:
youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-QX8LuKHA

And another in case anyone thinks that they don't mean any harm here/that the media doesn't distort things. Europe has an autoimmune disorder.

youtube.com/watch?v=-uNBoUqGvVs

sparks: very "sad" if your only references are ... youtube!!!!!

well, although you have a valid point of youtube being a weak reference, but the fist video he shared shows how some muslims in the UK demonstrate against the values of the UK and of europe, they think that their religion should be victorious against the infidels and that god's rule will prevail, they are the ones creating the conflict.

as a Syrian, I can say that i have never met a muslim syrian who feels that it's his duty to change european values to his, sure I have met muslim syrians who might not agree with these values , but they don't try to make a conflict out of it or try to change it.

The syrians coming to europe won't try to create conflicts based on religions, because if a syrian is a muslim radical, he would stay in the country and fight against the "infidel" Bashar al Assad (according to him)

The problem is that it's simply too many this time for everyone. Maybe we are doing the right thing here where I live by bombing in syria. Judging by the target this actually helps russia and their ally. I can't help but think if one side was defeated and fighting stops they will turn on electricity and people will stop leaving in such large numbers.

thats what they said in the early days in the UK. Now they have no go areas, just like Paris and Sweden, does not matter anyway. nothing you do or say will change one single thing, the EU masters want this and their your boss now.

@Poorpaul! I "love" fascist sites! How many years have you lived in UK, France, or Sweden? I suppose, 0 ;). Am I right? ??? So please have the decency of not talking about what you don't know. I know that not only fascist sites do report bs but also American tvs such as Fox News, which are forced to apologize to foreign countries for reporting false info.

You have never lived in said countries, don't even talk local languages (i.e. French and Swedish) but you "know" because you saw it on Fox News or ... Youtube.

@Merkel
That is one very sick and evil woman


great truth has been said here. But, i think that nobody can`t do much about it. That is how we used that world functions. Its greatest public secret that USA magnates urinate the world for `democratic` reasons.


what would now Hungary? to build fence on Hungarian-Croatian border? It would be much better that official EU helped to Greece and Bulgaria to build walls on time. On the example of refugee crisis we all learned how is EU incompetent and even idiotic.

Here we go, It's kicked off, riot police, special forces, water cannon, tear gas, only a matter of time, someone needs to tell this ''MOB'' that it doesn't work like this. Like petulant children, if we don't get what we want we're going to stamp our feet, who are these people to demand anything.

My only concern is some loose cannon who starts shooting and I think it may happen sooner rather than later.

France just announced the introduction of some sort of border control along with Slovenia and Rumania, all you tree huggers get ready, you'll be able to choose your own refugee, they'll be a lot to choose from.