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IF EU let refugees to Europe



mafketis
16 Sep 2015  #451

who are these people to demand anything.

Your moral superiors! (according to a number of people on this board).

Ironside
16 Sep 2015  #452

he syrians coming to europe won't try to create conflicts based on religions, because if a syrian is a muslim radical, he would stay in the country and fight against the "infidel" Bashar al Assad (according to him)

First generation of Syrian Muslims I can believe that but without about next generations? Europe is not a place for Muslims in my opinion. Christan Syrian yes, but them those refugees are not Syrians I think about 35% of them are Syrians.

Crow
16 Sep 2015  #453

Last news. Very upsetting

Hostilities broke out between Hungarian and Serbian police on border, after Hungarian police violated Serbian territory in brutal pursuing of refugees out of Hungary onto the Serbian side.

The way how Hungary deal with refugee issue makes problems to all neighboring countries. i didn`t expect this irrational actions by Hungary but rather coordination with others.

h-s

Serbia will send a diplomatic note to Hungary because this country's police fired teargas canisters into the Serbian territory. .............. A statement from the MFA said that Serbia would send "a note to Hungary calling on Hungarian organs to prevent a repeat of the situation that happened today when teargas canisters were fired into our territory." ................ B92's reporter at the scene said on Wednesday evening that about 20 Serbian policemen had taken position between the refugees and the Hungarian police, and were "attempting to persuade the refugees not to approach the Hungarian police in order to avoid new clashes." ............ The police used tear gas and water cannons, while the refugees set tires on fire and pelted the officers with stones.

Source: b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=16&nav_id=95456

Polsyr
16 Sep 2015  #454

Hungarian police violated Serbian territory

Several eyewitness accounts confirm this violation. Also, several eyewitnesses said Hungarian police acted first, and fired teargas at people standing on Serbian land without valid reason, and that these people responded by throwing objects in retaliation.

TheOther
16 Sep 2015  #455

The Muslim cab drivers refuse you a ride in their cab if you have a six pack of beer or some pork in your grocery bag.

...or the county clerk in Kentucky refusing to sign marriage licences, or the bakery in Oregon not selling cakes to same sex couples... . It's not the people. It's their freaking faith which is the problem.

Grzegorz_
16 Sep 2015  #456

Have your EUnuchs. Morons are about to trigger off another war in the Balkans...

Crow
16 Sep 2015  #457

What we now see on the scene in Hungary is how imminent collapse of the EU affect one region of the conglomerate. Let us hope that new order that would be established would be order of new Commonwealth, order of ​​Miedzymorze. i am sure that would fast move of Serbia provide exactly that here in the region. Then, politicians would speak, in peace and order. In democracy, too of course.

Polonius3
16 Sep 2015  #458

refusing to sign

Not everyone wants to promote and normativise perversion and fortunately some have the courage of their convictions. Others don't like it much either but to avoid any hassle prefer go with the flow....like dead fish and sewage in a river.

Crow
16 Sep 2015  #459

Hungary border clashes: "Children were crying because of the gas, people retching"

youtube.com/watch?v=Shlteb_5VZc

Police powerless to stop migrants crossing Hungary-Serbia border - no comment

youtube.com/watch?v=K2mf_TUQvGo

Thanks EU and NATO, thanks west of Europe and USA for this chaos in very heart of Europe. We know you are good its just necessities of your economy

Blood and Tears: Chaotic scenes at Hungarian border as refugees come under tear gas

youtube.com/watch?v=zl5YF0qWK7k

TheOther
16 Sep 2015  #460

fortunately some have the courage of their convictions

You missed the point, Polonius. What's the difference between a Muslim taxi driver refusing to pickup a passenger who carries alcohol, and a Christian baker who refuses to sell cakes to gays and lesbians?

The refugees in Europe wouldn't be a problem if they would be willing (and/or allowed) to integrate into the host cultures. Unfortunately though, as the past five decades have shown, many folks from Turkey and the Middle East have no intention to become French, German, British or what not. Even after four generations, they still choose to separate themselves from the locals and prefer to live amongst themselves in ghetto-like neighborhoods. That's the real problem, because environments such as these breed religious fanatics.

Crow
16 Sep 2015  #461

More ugly news from the Hungarian-Serbian border

Hungarian police assault Serbian TV crew

Source: Tanjug Wednesday, September 16, 2015 | 19:52
b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=16&nav_id=95457

Hungarian police on Wednesday attacked an RTS TV crew - a cameraman, a journalist and a sound technician - and broke their equipment. ..........

The Association of Journalists of Serbia (UNS) reacted late on Wednesday by saying they were "astonished" by the behavior of Hungarian police officers, describing it as "unjustifiable use of force and violation of international regulations on freedom of work of journalists."

Hungarian authorities must apologize to the RTS crew and determine who was responsible for the use of force and for preventing reporters from doing their job, the UNS said in a statement.

Hungary-Romania aggravated relations as refugee crisis complicate

Romanian PM "insults all of Hungary" - Hungarian FM

Source: Beta, Tanjug Wednesday, September 16, 2015 | 15:39
b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=16&nav_id=95453

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto has "strongly condemned a statement by Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta" for "insulting all of Hungary." ........... According to the Agerpres agency, he also said:

"The reality is that at this time Europe is not ready. I believe that European leaders and citizens fear, as do I, that Hungarians will start shooting at (migrant) women and children. Would that solve the problem? I think it would only make it worse."

Szijjarto on Wednesday accused the Romanian prime minister of "losing his self-control and insulting the whole of Hungary with his unreasonable statement," reported the MTI.

Is this that USA finally realize that is Serbia more reasonable then EU ruling establishment? Oh, how long ago i said on this forum how Brussels can`t be even compared to Belgrade

Spot this > CNN interview Serbian PM Vucic that is right now in bilateral visit to USA

Serbian PM: Border chaos is "huge embarrassment"

youtube.com/watch?v=G-0B4e8HOFc

Serbian PM: We acted in European way, neighbors didn't

youtube.com/watch?v=J2sZNy1SaJE

Marsupial
16 Sep 2015  #462

Maybe you and usa can split the quota?

Crow
16 Sep 2015  #463

No, Serbia isn`t responsible for this situation. See, USA and Hungary are in the same club. Hungary always followed USA policy, while Serbia refused dictate. i can remember the days, sirens in the city that is bombed by NATO bombs, using Hungarian air space, while on the ground, on Kosovo, NATO soldiers side by side with worse Arab mujaheedines fights against Serbian army and civilians.

It just happened that is obvious how are Serbians deeply right because things went out of control now. Serbians are right all the time. They don`t collaborate with mujaheedines. EU, USA and NATO doing that. All the time Serbians behave as normal, EU, USA and NATO don`t.

White Europe
16 Sep 2015  #464

They don`t collaborate with mujaheedines.

So why is the Serbian government aiding the invader hordes while Hungary is doing everything to stop them?

Lyzko
16 Sep 2015  #465

I think people are especially sick and tired of liberal pandering to invite overused words such as "diversity" or "inclusion" into the current discourse.

Merkel's "cute" little selfie shot sucking up to a Syrian migrant upon his arrival in Germany hasn't helped her cause either:-)

Crow
16 Sep 2015  #466

So why is the Serbian government aiding the invader hordes while Hungary is doing everything to stop them?

those invading forces are here because of west of Europe and USA. That in every sense of the word. Its not nice that Hungary tries to stop refugees so that are they blockaded in Serbia. Hungary should stop them on its own territory and then use tear gas on them if wants so. We Serbians won`t be collateral damage of EU`s and NATO`s leading powers greed.

If Hungarian regime continue to provoke, Hungary may found itself in very unpleasant situation.

Ironside
17 Sep 2015  #467

t's their freaking faith which is the problem.

Sure in Cambodia, Soviet Union, Vietnam and North Korea and China million people were slaughtered because of a godlessness ideology. Get real and they peddle that old prejudice that without religion all people would be goodies and brotherly. BS!

The problem is Muslim do not belong in Christian countries.

Crow
17 Sep 2015  #468

what i deeply feel and what makes me sad is that i see both, Serbian and Hungarian Christians victims of the western European and USA magnates. In a way, we are both betrayed, again, same way as we were both left alone to fight against overwhelming Ottoman Turkish hordes (actually only Poland tried to help and distinguished itself in that fight; later came Russia to help). That betrayal left more then half of Hungary for 180 years under the Turkish occupation, while the rest took Austria. Serbians meet even harder fate. Half of their lands also took Austria, while the other part took Ottomans and ruled in some regions for 180 years, in some even 350 years.

Stick to the topic of this thread please.

Marsupial
17 Sep 2015  #469

And the same battle rages here. In bendigo residents stormed a council meeting last night police had to come because they don't want a mosque built which council has approved. So now it will be a high court challenge. Yet another example of government ignoring it's own people. So it's not only there. Btw the land values go down a lot where they build these because no one wants to live there so it's a direct economic loss. Crow, it would be good if serbia stopped them walking through to get to the fence in the first place.

Crow
17 Sep 2015  #470

Crow, it would be good if serbia stopped them walking through to get to the fence in the first place.

and to accept to pay price (in lives and in money) by fighting with refugees, while EU, USA and NATO, side by side with Arab mujaheedines organized partition of Serbia?

No, Marsupial. Be reasonable. Those refugees entered Europe via EU/NATO members- Greece and Bulgaria and used Macedonia and Serbia only as transit countries. First NATO and EU destroyed their countries and then some people (you sow that crazy Merkel) even welcomed them. Now, Hungary (another EU/NATO member) violates Serbian territory in order to `stop` refugees. If EU wanted to stop them, it would happen in Greece and Bulgaria.

Stick to the topic of this thread please.

yes Pane

TheOther
17 Sep 2015  #471

Sure in Cambodia, Soviet Union, Vietnam and North Korea and China million people were slaughtered because of a godlessness ideology.

Murderous, totalitarian regimes altogether. How about increasingly secular societies like most countries in Europe?

Marsupial
17 Sep 2015  #472

I do agree it's not serbias doing crow and how they arrived there does stem down south. I am willing to throw in 50 bucks for your fence.

Ironside
17 Sep 2015  #473

Murderous, totalitarian regimes altogether. How about increasingly secular societies like most countries in Europe?

Hey those were purely secular regimes, wet dream of lefties embodied. Anyway point in case, secular or religion doesn't matter key word - regime. So where is that alleged superiority of atheism? Nonexistent!

nothanks
17 Sep 2015  #474

American Republican debate on foreign policy starting soon. Let's find out who the West plans on turning into a refugee wasteland next

Crow
17 Sep 2015  #475

What is most crazy thing in chaos that occurred these days is that is Hungary famous as the land of Gypsies.

nothanks
17 Sep 2015  #476

urred these days is that is Hungary famous as the land of Gypsies.

I thought Romania? Which is why I figured Romania was so angry over Hungary shutting the border. Romania would love to "cleanse" their population

f stop
17 Sep 2015  #477

I can't even read this stuff any more. Every time I try, I can't get away from the thought that Hitler's philosophy lives on in Poland. That we should protect our white aryan race, and while the rest of the world sees that we're going to be mixing it up no matter what, some unfulfilled people get scared into thinking that somebody else living and working along side of them is a thread, because they didn't have the good fortune to be born there. It's very sad. Poles, of all people, should know instinctively what it's like to lose their motherland, and wander other countries..

I just want to put it out there in case there are others out there, feeling alone... I'll probably will not read any replies. People that are writing this hateful vitriol are beyond reason.

justAhuman
17 Sep 2015  #478

What can help human's to survive till next centuary is humanity, it's easy to make enemies but very difficult to turn your enemies as your true friend. I don't know what a religion teaches whether it's Hindiusm, Christanity, Muslims, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism but there is one more religion to whom we all belongs that is humanity. Love , care, brotherhood, non-violence are teaching of humanity. We all know what is the impact of war, we have two world war many died, structures were destroyed, many loose family, family-members and it's a true fact that there will be a third world war for sure may be water or oil or will bein name of religion which will remove the sign of humans as we all nations has already created sources to destroy ourself (nuclear weapons). We live on same planet we all need food, water and air to survive, we all have two legs , two eyes, two ears,one nose buy why we fight for skin you are black or brown , we are white weare superior or vice versa. We are acting like our brain is dumb-ass who can't understand a single fact all are equal.

I don't know much what really is happening in syria, but i know people are dieing and that place is now no more like that people can live there, its our duty not only Europe to help them. We have divided Earth in more than 100 countries. Why all countries are watching like they are blind. Everyone should try to help people.

nothanks
17 Sep 2015  #479

@ justAhuman
Europe has already done more than enough. Middle Eastern neighbors and USA/Asia need to step forward before Europe accepts another refugee

You are incorrect in assuming Europeans or Asians want humanity to continue if it resembles current day Africa and Middle East. Look at current birth rates. The uneducated and poor are reproducing at an alarming rate. Offering them welfare is the solution? Europeans and it's culture will be long gone by the next century at this rate. Harboring the uneducated and culturally inferior is a perfect recipe for genocide.

@ jon357

Surely you consider Ukrainians naive for not marching West to Germany & Sweden right now. How stupid are Mexicans for not marching North to Canada. Oh, Canada doesn't allow that?


  • Birth Rates

LoneStranger
17 Sep 2015  #480

facebook.com/skynews/videos/1174329229248339

Heart wrenching.

Those Neo Nazis plaguing Europe since the 19th Century still haunt humanity. I pray for a time when each one of them are wiped out mercilessly from the face of Earth - and that day I will shed off my inhibitions and gladly participate to hasten their end. They make me puke. I'd make every Neo Nazis life difficult with whatever resource I will ever have in my disposal - even if he were my own blood - this is my pledge.

Neo Nazis/Rightwingers/Ultra Nationalists = The Brood of Vipers.


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