IF EU let refugees to Europe

Maybe we can make a requirement to that they have wear a "I am a terrorist" t-shirt before they are granted access to the EU country of their choice as well how money they think that should be get as well where they want to live. :)-

If developed countries aren`t that greed they could prevent war in Syria and not only there. Opportunities for new jobs had to be created, not wars. Now we have this

Well, I don't think that we need to discuss whether supposedly liberal and tolerant countries are actually just that - liberal and tolerant. What is much more concerning at the moment is the fact that even nations that have such a reputation amongst Europeans are now drifting to the far right fringes of the political spectrum. Shows you that the situation is much more serious than the politicians and the mainstream media are willing to admit.

They're doing that because successive governments have ignored their very real and legitimate concerns about immigration (esp non-Eu non-western immigration).

The people running European countries have open contempt for the native population and so the population is looking for a party that seems to take their interests into account.

Instead of modifying policy a little (which would quickly decimate the popular support for these parties) governments are doubling down on the policies that make the far right grow.

Make no mistake, if a real (as opposed to imaginary) fascist government gains power in Europe it will have been put there by Tony Blair and Angela Merkel.

It is a fact that Germany (and all of Europe) will need more people to pay for its ageing population. Merkel probably just thought that the "refugees" could do that, not taking into consideration the cultural differences/unwillingness to work. I believe that is why governments seem to be working contrary to what the citizens want. Of course, populating Europe with Muslims is a bad idea for many reasons, but that seems to be the modus operandi.

No they don't. The western world is rapidly approaching the end of scarcity and this means economies need to be retooled to be able to work with stable or slightly declining populations. Importing a bunch of people who will not be able to do anything more than unskilled labor is not going to do that.

My working hypothesis is that this is like Labour "rubbing the right's nose in diversity" in the UK or the Swedish prime minister deciding to "punish" the Swedish electorate for giving an anti-immigration party a place in parliament. It's a putsch meant to end discussion (and local control) over mass immigration and to make it an unending reality.

Gastarbeiter (Turks, Kurds, Yugoslavs, etc.) helped turn post-war Germany into an economic powerhouse. What has changed and why is that no longer the case?

The jobs that unskilled people who don't know the local language can do are disappearing. If Germany needs labor it needs skilled labor and by one estimate no more than one in ten in the current inundation are even qualified for worker training. There is no way the vast amjority of these people can be turned into employed taxpayers.

That's what's changed.

Try to say this again in 10 years.

Obviously in Arabic.

I'm relatively sure that real Syrians will not do too badly but they're a minority. Afghans, for example, have never done very well in any place or time, what makes them think that Germany will be any different?

So long as they integrate by learning the target language of the country to which they are emigrating, I've no problem:-)

I agree. The world is way overpopulated already, so why do some comparatively small European nations need populations that exceed 50 million people? The old argument that their industries can only stay strong and competitive as long as there are sufficient numbers of worker bees available is outdated - especially in this day and age of globalization.


To compensate for the loss of tax payers due to a declining population, why not tax the big corporations for the shortfall?

Main reason because magnates of western Europe needed refugee crisis is to increase biological potential of the layer of society that giving labor force. Then, magnates also profit from increase of antagonism within societies. When deal with problems, masses of people losing perception of their own individual situation. Racial, religious, social problems would culminate. Citizens would be more and more dependent on society (ie magnates). So, in a world that have full mouth of democracy, environment in societies would reduce freedom of people. Expect rise of the gap between different social groups and classes.

i sense that all this have to reduce patriotic, national and tribal feelings. Era of cooperative rule is coming. On the long run, refugee crisis would strengthen unitary forces within EU, not weaken EU.


sorry. Not `cooperative`. i wanted to say `corporate rule` (rule of corporations).

No doubt, migrants would make European Slavic societies more dependent on western Europe and USA. No wonder that Russia reacted in Syria. Things goes much deeper then we even think. Refugee crisis is actually part of so called `special war`. We experiencing fragments of WWIII

Russia's reaction in Syria has already created over 70,000 additional refugees.

Perhaps if all the fit, young, Syrian men had not run away and stayed to fight for their country, the Russians would not need to be there.

Or, did they expect the women, children and old people they left behind, to do it for them.

At this rate, in 10 years Germany may well be the sick man of Europe, not its economic superpower. The drain on the economy posed by the constant need to bankroll the eastern lands plus the strain of the ongoing refugee invasion may prove just a bit too much even for Germany.

yes most probably. It appears that Russians decided to disrupt calculations of USA and western Europe who initiated crisis for their own reasons. Now, Russians maybe sending them more migrants then it was original mathematics.

On the other side, in reality, Russians most probably just destroys that what they see as a threat for Russian interests, while western European and USA mathematics suffer in the process.

The creepy Putin-Lavrov duo are bald-faced liars that would put some of PF's lyingest members to shame. No little green men, no Russian troops and hardware in Ukraine, no Russian boot-on-the-ground troops in Syria, only air strikes...

NATO bases on the Russian border are unacceptable to teh Krmelin. What about Russian bases on the NATO border? Is that acceptable to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland?

By the God, Poloniuse3, after reading this statement of yours i had to take some quantity of kitnikez (Quince cheese > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quince_cheese) to come back to myself. Man, didn`t i nicely, really nicely told you to read Serbian news. Its all written there. Russians admitted everything. By all what they say and doing, seams that they aren`t just receivers but also givers.

But, what i don`t understand here is what Poland have with that? Why some Polish politicians distinguishing themselves to lure Poland in that nasty conulingus? Its all generally between Britain and Russia or to say between Anglos and Russians. Let now Britain learn how is to be Russian gubernia. Its good for soul. English would come as better people after it.

Poles, on the other side, needs to focus on their own path. Far from Britain. Well, even Scots tend to avoid Britain, i mean England.

It seems Russian air strikes have done much more in a few weeks than what American-led coalition have in a whole year.
We'll see what comes next.


Russia is free to have bases on his own soil, don't you think?

Poloniuse3 pane brate, this is kitnikez

Make some kitnikez for yourself and try it. And don`t worry. Don`t upset yourself with thought about Anglos and Russians. Forget even this refugee crisis. Its all one great joke and we are just a guests on this world.

In 10 years Germany will resemble Malmo, Sweden. You are insane to even suggest that there is a possibility that these blacks, pakistanis, afghans, and some syrians/iraqis muslims will actually successfully integrate into German society and workforce. You leftists truly are nation wreckers.

Europe has been too passive and laid back recently. Hopefully Europeans wake up like the lion.....

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=297&v=y-Yszp3SmxE

The opposite might not be something you should be wishing for.

What's the opposite?

UKIP, Front Nationale, Schweizerische Volkspartei, AfD, Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs, Partij voor de Vrijheid ... NSDAP ...

I thought that was what you meant, I am however a little confused at why you think this isn't something us white Europeans would want.....

Why would Europeans want history to repeat itself? The EU and its people need to find a way out of this crisis without resorting to solutions that have failed in the past. Patrol the coast of north Africa and Turkey/Syria/Lebanon, intercept any boat full of people, and tow them back to where they came from. The real refugees can apply for asylum at the European embassies in their home countries. No need for a dangerous political shift to the far right.

I'm all for a dramatic swing to the fight and (behind closed doors) so are most white people.

And btw TheOther, what has failed in the past exactly? I'm not talking about a final solution or anything.....

Do I really have to answer this? The comrades from the far right tend to feel superior to others after some time - resulting in invasions of neighboring countries and other fun activities.