IF EU let refugees to Europe

Gdynia is a beautiful city but I digress.

Your idea is, for want of a better word, just plain STUPID.

You're suggesting that to weed out the genuine refugees from the fake ones that a commission be employed with local knowledge of not only the country but the exact locale of each and every refugee claimant.

So you may have a Syrian from Damascus and the commission may also have someone from Damascus but it doesn't necessarily mean the two will have had shared experiences or knowledge of the same city. One could be from the northern quarter and the other be from the southern quarter. One could have been housebound due to looking after his elderly father so how could you prove that his lack of knowledge that Mr Ahmed runs the bakery in South Damascus means he's not a true Syrian ?

I can't believe I've wasted minutes from my life honouring your idea with a response !

Ran across this on YouTube. Thought-provoking take of non-ISIS-backing Egyptians on wimpy, chicken sh*t Obama.
youtube.com/embed/UXodRLLkth4

Jeez - you take everything so seriously Spiritus. There ARE ways of checking people, but you wish them away. But I have news for you, they are here in Europe and Poland agreed to help. As well she bloody well should or be forced to pay the consequences.

I've had a few beers in the pub, where I am now sat with my Labrador in great warmth, unlike the refugees, some of whom are a great deal more enabled than my brilliant self.

And I was brought up in a wonderful middle class family, where the main rule was "Never leave anything on your plate, never say you are bored, and always help others, because there are millions around the world who don't have what you have".

I said my prayers at table, and at night. And though I no longer fear God, I think that was right, and I love my parents' memory for it.

They taught me respect. I have it. Some of you here don't. Good luck with it:)

Doug Not a nice thing to say about Poland "As well she bloody well should or be forced to pay the consequences" I think Adolf beat you to this Idea, I bet you didn't say this in the Polish pub you were in.

I can understand that you have concerns for refugees, but there is no need to make such a threatening comment, In my opinion anyway.

Yeah Spirutus? After all he is only a clown who doesn't understand what consequences are.


Sure they are, you are not going to bother with details or providing a feasible solution, somebody will just use a magic wand to get what you want you big petulant child. So you can remain a happy goodie too shoes telling people THEY should help when all you do is working your stupid big mouth of yours.


Take them to Brittan they are so much better than Poles according to you, just take them and tell to be happy and remind them they should thank you proper for all those refugees.


A Big boo fekking hooo!


I think they though you bigotry as you are coming across as a big stinking bigot not someone who know what respect really is.

That would be you Ironside. I beg your indulgence. Except that you don't care for the refugees but for yourself.


What's threatening about that? You don't think the EU will extract penalties? Don't be naive.


Your like would deny any solution, and deny the refugees everything. As before I am one warning away from a ban so I can't say what I really think.

Ah that's your excuse - you care!
You know what I don't buy it, people like you pretend, you pretend to be a big shot, you pretend to care it makes you feel better about yourself and that is all.

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Recent developments
- Sweden shut the door
- Canada is backing out of their earlier promise
- American politicians are battling in court

How much longer until Merkel breaks?

See, this is the problem. You care about the refugees but you don't know enough about the issue to have an informed opinion so you have a mish-mash of disconnected facts that you got from the mass media which has very much distorted the picture of what's going on at ground level.

I've been following this issue on and off for a couple of years (it's been going on that long and only turned into a crisis this year thanks to Angie "I talk before I think" Baby). You didn't even seem to realize that after Merkel's folly a crap ton of random people from the Balkans (mostly Albanian) joined the rush to be considered Syrian. You also seem to think that identifying people already in a country as non-eligible for asylum works. It doesn't unless you lock them up (they simply disappear of the radar). Pakistan has flatly refused to resettle deportees, so Europe is stuck with any who get there.

There are other issues (sexual assault in asylum centers, ethnic tensions routinely boiling over into violence in asylum centers and others) that you seem to not realize exist.

It's easy to say we have to do something but unless we realize what's going on just doing somethng could easily cause more harm than good.


Wow, it turns out that poor, strife filled countries have a few more people than Sweden can afford to carry on welfare. Who would have ever guessed such a shocking fact!?!?!

My prediction is that closing the border won't stop the flow, these people have shown time and time again they don't care about respecting other countries laws (or about the damage they do along the way).

Also, the video where the female politician cries over having to close the border is pretty funny (unless you live in a country that allows such a bubblehead to attain high political office of course). I'll say one thing for Polish women in politics I cannot imagine Kopacz or Szydło blurbling like that - tough broads beat silly airheads every time.


too long, far too long (yesterday would have been about two months too long)

Liberal Logic: We should let the refugees in the EU. The overwhelming majority are simply seeking asylum.
My Logic: If I gave you 100 grapes and I told you 98 were fine but two contained cyanide, how many grapes would you eat ?

Jewish people no longer feel safe living in Germany, it has been claimed.
The leader of Hamberg's Jewish community, Daniel Killy, told the Jerusalem Post: "We no longer feel safe here."

He went on to explain how a combination of extreme right-wing forces, deteriorating security, and Germany welcoming of refugees brought up in cultures "steeped in hatred" for Jews were resulting in anti-Semitism.

Hamburg has a 2,500-strong Jewish population, and there are around 118,000 in Germany overall.
One million Muslim refugees arrived in Germany over the last year.

I would like to know WHO IS really behind this mess as it sure isn't getting any better.

Just read his openly published manifesto titled "Rebuilding the Asylum System" and dated September 2015:

project-syndicate.org/print/rebuilding-refugee-asylum-system-by-george-soros-2015-09

Here are some very noteworthy points (emphasis mine):

1) "the EU has to accept at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future.;

2) "The EU should provide €15,000 ($16,800) per asylum-seeker for each of the first two years...It can raise these funds by issuing long-term bonds...

3) "the EU must...provide adequate funding to Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey to support the four million refugees currently living in those countries...the annual costs are at least €5,000 per refugee, or €20 billion."

4) "safe channels must be established for asylum-seekers, starting with getting them from Greece and Italy to their destination countries.

5) "to absorb and integrate more than a million asylum seekers and migrants a year, the EU needs to mobilize the private sector - NGOs, church groups, and businesses - to act as sponsors."

So basically Europe is to be flooded with millions of people from all over the planet ad infinitum. It will cost tens of billions (in whichever currency you use) per year forever and be financed through debt to be saddled to current and future generations of Europe's young.

Note how the EU is supposed to be responsible for costs in Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey too; all of which border or are immediate neighbors of the "Jewish State of Israel."

Note also how sponsorship in the private sector includes churches but deliberately omits synagogues and mosques.

Lastly, although the title of the manifesto is supposed to regard asylum, he slips and admits that millions includes not only asylum seekers but migrants (of the economic variety obviously).

If anyone can find his manifesto for reducing the crippling unemployment levels across the EU, particularly among Europe's native born youth, please post it here. I'd love to read it but something tells me it matter that never crossed his mind because it won't matter once they are displaced and then replaced.

Most refugees will be quickly moving on to more benefit rich countries such as Germany and especially UK, the government should realise this

NocyMrok,

I agree with you but this a big problem. According to the readmission agreement between Turkey and EU,

1. EU will pay 3 milliard EURO to Turkey ( And Turkey will not allow refugees to enter Europe.)

2.EU will accept to Turkey to Schengen area in October this year.

Do you think that will be solution? Im pretty sure will not be yeah maybe in short time! But in near future EU will lose.In 1960s Germany has allowed to Turkish citizens to work in Germany as you see now everywhere they are and all EU will be the same and Syrians also will move in future because of low salaries in Turkey...

It's a doddle. Austria deployed a lot of Arabic experts to the main crossing point at Spielfeld and required them to prove that they could speak either the Syrian or Iraqi dialects of Arabic, for instance. Slovenia was complaining that a lot of them were telling Slovenia that "hey, we're from randomnorthafricancountry", then simply refusing to speak to the Austrians as it would give the game away.

Syrians can't get work permits in Turkey. Therein lies the problem.

Are you sure? So check this one.You will find articles and they will earn same wage as Turkish citizens.

ILO praises Turkey for issuing work permits to Syrians.

Experts predict 200M - 1Billion people will need to leave Middle East/Africa by 2050 - climate change/agriculture issues

This migrant crisis is a blessing in disguise. Muslims are currently showing their true colors which will forever stick in the minds of anyone over the Age of 15. Europe was on path to experience a slow and steady death: demographics change and with it Politics ---> Society ---> Culture. Instead resistance is growing and we are nearing the tipping point. I feel bad for Turkish-Germans because they will be caught in the crossfire.

So much water has already flown under the bridge. This should have been the first measure to take when the influx started. The Syrian and Iraqi refugees from the onset weren't happy about how their predicaments were exploited by their North African brothers. In Malta for instance, they employed refugees from the war-torn areas to aid in investigating others who claim to have come from those regions, making it easier for them to fish out the bad nuts.

1.Turkey wants more than the 3 Billion Euro's on offer and is still allowing 2-3,000 people to make their way to Greece on a daily basis.

2. EU are to have an emergency meeting to suspend Shengen agreement for two years (max. time allowed in treaty). Bringing back passport controls on all borders. Not much hope for the Turks there.

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@Doug; sorry but after the terrorist attacks in Paris, the terrorist threats in Brussels, in Geneva and in Germany (city?) and the sexual attacks against women in Germany, Finland, Switzerland and Austria, I am against having half of the 3rd world in Europe, without any control. Ok to receive A FEW genuine war refugees (and by definition they are to return home after war) but NO MORE. I saw a report from ZDF showing Iraki migrants to Germany returning to Irak because they don't like their conditions in Germany ;). Are they "kidding"?

Some demographers (?) may have said that Europe needs 75 million more people, where and more important can we afford? I heard the other day some Germans saying that migrants to Germany would need at the very best several years before being "functional" in German society (replace "Germany" by another other country you want). They need to learn local customs and also the language and in order to be able to be fully functional in language, it'll take years and in the meantime, where do they live, who feeds them????

Sorry, it's just common sense!

Hannover....

Well yes, let's get with the screening. The overwhelming majority of Syrians are here for a reason, just as the Polish refugees were in Syria. it's called fleeing from potential death. What part of that don't governments compute?

Again, the 1951 Refugees Act says that people can't be sent back to a war zone. The western allies refused to arm the Syrian opposition when they pleaded for arms, and now the Neo-Cons - the very people who don't even walk to the shopping centre in the snow for fear of damaging their shoes (let alone pick up arms) say that the refugees should go back and fight...

Er..... scum?

How the hell are those people supposed to "go back" and fight?

"The 19.15 Luthansa flight from Berlin is now disembarking at Gate 10. All people who wish to challenge President Assad, please go to Baggage area A, where your heavy weapons are ready for collection."

Maybe people should watch and read this before you condemn someone as a rasict or xenophobe.

ww.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/16-year-old-girls-migrant-fears-video-keeps-disappearing-off-facebook/

Sorry but who can say "YES" to millions of uncontrolled migrants, including terrorists, criminals, drug smugglers, rapists, fundamentalists ... to Europe? As I have always said I'm ok with a few genuine war refugees but nothing more.

@Doug: please be realistic! :) You are not very far from Germany so go there and see for yourself.

last I heard Assad was voted in under free elections , who's fault is it that some kod type demonstration got out of hand and the country fell into civil chaos.

Why should any other country pick up the tab for the immigrants, for something the people of Syria created themselves?.

A very good suggestion actually. So I will, and make a report. Dog deserves a trip, and the marijuana and Berlin beer will be like a breath of fresh air.

The air here in liberal Tri-City doesn't stink too much, but in xenophobic PIS quarters of Warsaw it must be unbearable.

look to the French they had a civil revolution and sorted their own Sh$t out without chucking their citizens onto boats and sending them to Britain. the french have balls.

Coming from a chap whose parents suffered greatly under the guise of "Elections," that is a regrettable mistake - there was nothing free about Assad's re-election.

It's a dynasty. Or was. He's finished.


Agreed:) Poles could learn a lot from them about effective civil disobedience. Right now would be the time.

"whose parents suffered" yes they did my father fought for the British army expecting support to free his country, my parents never stopped fighting for Poland while in exile, don't worry I would have been back in Poland in a blink of an eye if their was an armed revolution against the communist occupiers of Poland.

@Absolutely, Doug and Dolno! They have b...lls and that's why we are so revolutionary, from birth on .... Well, 1789 was "kind of" special ;)

However, I don't want hords of terrorists, criminals, rapists into Europe! Those who do are co-responsible of Paris attacks and sexual attacks in Germany and other places.

@Doug: when you go to Germany, go where the "action" is, don't stay in a 5 star hotel in a wealthy neighborhood! ;)

It is not relevant whether you want the refugees here or not though is it? They are here. Now - what do you propose? For them to disappear in a puff of smoke?