IF EU let refugees to Europe

""food strikes" because the Hungarians were trying to force people into camps. They've just come from refugee camps, Egypt or wherever. Why would they be willing to be forced into another situation like that?"

Because that's where the refugees belong ? Dude, refugees are not friggin rock stars, when they get a tent and some food they should be grateful for that and not rioting. Greeks are now reporting how these hordes are breaking into their houses and stores, have your "poor refugees".

But British people in Rotherham go about their daily lives gregy. And if you are referring to Asians, the fact is that the young were born in Britain. They are as British as I am.

And the huge majority of the indigenous population have npo problem with that because they grew up with them.

It's the other immigrants who have a problem with it. Do you see what I am implying, or do I need to spell it out for you?

MODS This is on topic, because some Poles seem to think they can export racial intolerance.

Funny how all those face book users who cried arab spring and all that aren't taking any refugees. Silly muppets. The spring looks so bright now with IS and barrel bombs. Not that I am surprised because that's what conformist sheep are used for. I am hearing on telly that the refugees are choosing their few countries to go to and snubbing others. If poland take them they will leave with no problem soon after. A symbolic gesture perhaps? A few will stay. It could be.good diplomacy and no burden once they.leave upon discovering they need polish and a degree to earn a decent living. A win for poland.

I do keep up. It seems that the truth has no interest for you. By your own words, if they were in camps as you suggest, they were safe. Why would they be willing to put the wives and children at risk to undertake such a dangerous journey.

To be a refugee, you need to be in fear of your life. If your reason is to have a better life, that makes you an economic migrant, any way that you want to dress it up.

As I said before, the Hungarians were trying to fingerprint and process them in accordance with EU directions. They were providing them with food and water when they refused to leave the train. If they were dying and starving as you try to make out, then why throw the food and water onto the tracks.

If a child behaved that way, normal people would call it spoilt and petulant, but not you, they have to be in fear of their lives, not ungrateful to be in a safe country and abusive to people trying to help them.

"They are as British as I am."

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Congrats :))))

"It's the other immigrants who have a problem with it."

We are aware of that.

Your "we are committing suicide and don't mind it" line (next to being largely not true) should mean... what to us ? Turn your country into 3rd world ******** If you like it so much, up to you. We don't have to follow you even If you scream your pathetic "racists !!!!" 24/7 :)))))

You seem expert on this topic Avalon.

Do you know the details of the Hungarian aid programme? Granted, the police weren't beating the refugees in front of the cameras, but the spoilt child analogy is a good one. "Wait till I get you home!"

Have you ever been a refugee? Well, I would guess not (the West Midlands was pretty grim in the past, of course.....) Let's consider the facts. Do these people enjoy walking along hot motorways with groins chaffed red raw with excreta? So why try to visualise what these people have gone through? Is this a case of mass deceit by hundreds of thousands of legitimate refugees or a valid case for asylum?

Your honour, I rest my case. The prosecution is clearly malicious.

"Do these people enjoy walking along hot motorways"

So move your fat ass out of the armchair, get your rainbow bike and give them a ride.

"But they shout the loudest about "immigrants" - Asians, Blacks, etc etc..."

Yeah, they see 1st hand what the lunacy of your kind leads to.

As you are giving me a choice, I will go along with the "mass deceit by hundreds of thousands of illegitimate (You got it wrong again)

migrants.
By the way, you need to brush up on Geography, the West Country is not in the Midlands.

Nope - Not in my armchair. I'm 58 and still at my fighting weight of 84 kilos, and of course I have donated. And what does the LGBT community have to do with refugees?

In the meantime, you are being so negative :)


Yokels or Brummies - all the same to me, yer know? And sorry Avalon, but your world view is of the former.

However you are not an expert either. If we were to believe in your words after 23 years you have mustered vocabulary of your host country on a level of a six year old child. Don't take me wrong, I'm not admonishing you for it, however you hardly stand out as an authority let alone somebody who's views and thoughts are worthy to be noticed.

Hence my question - what apart from an inflated ego and ideological bias you have to offer? I mean how would you convince reasonable down to Earth people to take in illegal immigrants, the very same people who are disregarding laws of countries they encroach upon? The very same people who despise all talk about human rights, racism, equality and tolerance and see those values you claim to hold dear as a prattling of weak and degenerate fools?

Let me tell you, you have nothing to say in a way of an argument and reason. You are a chip of the old block - Marxism. Your ideological fanaticism and bigotry know no bounds and the same can be said about your ideological compatriots across western hemisphere.

You don't care about long term consequences of letting millions of Muslim into Europe, all you know is what your ideology tells you - if people don't want immigrants they have to be forced to accept them if for no other reason that your ideology dictate it.

You care only about people surfing in front of the media not to help them but to promote your ideology.

Let see if you are capable of addressing real issues in a real world.

1. Majority of those people trampling borders on their way to Germany are not refugees. They came from Turkey a safe haven where they have been refugees.

2. Nationality, race or religion of those people remains unknown. For what we know they can be criminals of agents of the ISIS.
3. Those people who are in real and present dangers are Syrians in Syria, mainly Christian minority. People about which you care naught at all. They should be helped not people already safe in Turkey. .

4. It stands to reason that Christian refugees should go to Christian countries and Muslims to Muslim countries.

Leave alone Avalon and Paulina, I have read your posts and you came across as a duplicitous and disrespectful kind of people.
Your countrymen must be ashamed on your behalf due to your disgraceful boasting and disrespect you display towards your host country.

According to reports in the MSM, the Gulf States have said that they will not allow Syrians to seek refuge as they are worried about terrorism crossing over their borders. (This from the main sponsors of same)

Meanwhile in Hungary...

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I will tell you simply why, simply saudi arabia or any rich arab gulf state don't accept refugees , for a syrian to go to saudi arabia , he would have to pass jordan, getting into jordan means automatically getting into the large zaatari refugee camp (which is a nightmare to live in), or getting shot at the boarder (depending on your luck) , even many syrians who go from syria to turkey get shot at the boarders.. , let's assume a person makes it into jordan illegally , and wants to go to saudi arabia , the boarders are well guarded between jordan and saudi arabia , and even if the person makes it into saudi arabia, he might risk deportation back to jordan.. or maybe get shot at the boarders , or even die in the vast desert .

i might note that even getting to the jordanian or turkish boarders might be impossible within syria since, well, there's a war going on there.

Trust me, even syrians are asking the same questions like "why the rich arab countries won't take us" , "we speak the same language and share the same religion (not all syrians are muslims but most of them)" .

They choose Europe because they know that they will live in a good condition, they know that they won't get killed (well maybe in the sea , but after arriving to greece there is little to no risk)

the main countries the refugees go to in europe are : the Netherlands , Germany and Sweden . with each person choosing a country depending on the laws of that country (for example: the laws in germany makes it easier for a person to get his family "legally" out of syria and into germany, and that's why germany is the number 1 destination)

There is also the debate of "why are syrians leaving turkey which is safe", it is safe in the sense that you won't get killed , but it's difficult to get a work permit , so unless you are full of money and can open a business, you will suffer in turkey, while in europe , they are treated equally after getting integrated in the society.. so yes ... they are not just refugees , but also economic migrants with really really bad conditions.

Long story short , the logic of this migration is :"i am a syrian, syria is too dangerous to live in , and i won't be able to provide for my family, there is no future ,in turkey i don't have a future, i will keep living on aids , it's impossible to work, i go to europe, get integrated in the system, i can work, i have equal rights, i feel safe, they won't treat me like an animal"

I understand that it's not "europe's responsibility" , i personally blame the foreign policy of the US and UK when they invaded iraq and destabilized the country , which led to the creation of "the islamic state in iraq" , which then expanded to syria hence (the islamic state of iraq and syria , ISIS)

No syrian thought of taking this journey before the war..

"On the other hand, Europe is built on a different set of values. That is why the refugees are coming here to Europe and not going south to the gulf."

Instead they bring their own "values" to Europe...

So the arabs have borders and guns, I see. The EU has f...ng bottled water? Leftards lost the plot. Leftards need to be.fired.

Liberals love diversity. They despise having entirely white countries. Yet interestingly these same people live in white communities. They bring non-whites to their countries in exchange for their votes. Democrats in the US did and continue to do the same. The end result is less white people, more economic hardship for all, and a welfare state. Just look at american cities like detroit and chiraq ... oops i meant chicago. Many other large "culturally diverse" US cities are heading down the same road.

This invasion will result in an economic disaster. These people will not work, they will only cause social problems and drain taxpayers of their money. Just like in Sweden!

And of course, the usual suspects are working ferociously in the background to ensure all this happens:

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Try harder. For a start, conservatives love all the cheap non-white labour.

The Republican Party at the minute is torn over that exact issue. Get rid of illegal immigrants, get rid of cheap labour.

these are pakistanis not syrians , just to be accurate .


Yes :) most of the want to work , i know an engineer who said that he wouldn't mind washing dishes in europe if that was the case, they just want a decent life even if it meant working unpleasant jobs , most of my syrian friends who are my age "early 20s" learned german before going to germany , so that they can continue their studies , syrians are hard workers ,and most of them have degrees and diplomas or are seeking to obtain one, we're not lazy :)

"these are pakistanis not syrians , just to be accurate."

I didn't say they are Syrians. Syrians are actually a small part of this friggin invasion. There are Pakis, Afganis, Somalis, even friggin Albanians. What kind of refugees are they ?

Sadly you are correct. I blame big business for this problem. They are always pushing for more profits.

I wonder how quickly Germany's incidents of rape will increase? Is Germany looking forward to surpassing Sweden as Europe's new rape capital? Maybe they can go international and try to challenge South Africa?

I'm just making it clear for anyone who might confuse the people in the videos as syrians, and i'm making it clear because syrians want to keep a good reputation in europe

Look at all those Kosovars fleeing their relatively new state. They wanted their own country and now don't even want to live there.

You've fallen for the same old thing as everyone else. Sweden's definition of "rape" is entirely different to most countries, and furthermore, their attitude means that more women are likely to report it. It's nothing to do with who lives there and everything to do with environment and methodology.

If you lived in Poland, you'd know that most women would be terrified of going to the police with such a thing.

Partially true but you missed the main attractions: where they and their families can receive generous benefits, allowances, free language instruction, housing, etc.
Another thing that is rarely mentioned is that much of the refugee wave is being fanned by human-trafficking mafias who get a pretty penny for each refugee that wants to leave.

"Partially true but you missed the main attractions: where they and their families can receive generous benefits, allowances, free language instruction, housing, etc." , these are temporary (in germany at least) , since they check everything you do , they will try to make study , learn the language , find a job , and after you succeed in finding a job , you're off the benefits , and if you're not succeeding in finding a job, they'll make you study more,or professionally train you

Yes, Syrian 93. The 'main attraction' is not language lessons or a bit of dole money - it is avoiding being killed along with your whole family. Some people are so small minded and sadly, they are usually the first to prattle about 'Christian values'.

"Yes, Syrian 93. The 'main attraction' is not language lessons or a bit of dole money - it is avoiding being killed along with your whole family. "

So they leave Turkey behind trying to get into EU to avoid being killed ? Turks are killing them ?

Dont you think this all thing is organized by turkey?i mean how possibly tgey dont know who organize mass smuggling.why those immigrants have nice clothes and smartphones?where are theirs families if not in turkey waiting in social apartments for their husbands to get asylum sorted

Turkey, Grzegorz? No. They're from Syria. That's where the civil war is.

We live in the 21st century, believe it or not , most people have smartphones, imagine a war happening in UK or any other countries , i bet you'll also see them fleeing with nice clothes and smartphones.