IF EU let refugees to Europe

US led foreign policy has created widespread "regime change" in North Africa and the Middle East. What we are seeing now is a direct result of the fruition of that policy. "Culprit" may be harsh but the United States IS responsible.

Obama needs to increase the refugee quota and maybe give some money to Greece, Macedonia and Hungary to help these poor countries sort out this mess

"regime change" obviously not for the better for local populations and more generally for the world ;). When shall the US and their friends stop destabilizing foreign governments? The current refugee crisis is no hazard ;)

@ Johnny - The U.S.A. took in more than 18,000 Syrian refugees since 2013.

I don't know why you write stuff that simply isn't true and so easily checkable, the US has taken in 1500 refugees since the crisis began.

edition.cnn.com/2015/09/09/politics/us-syrian-refugees-pressure/

Respectfully disagree madam. It doesn't get much worse than what Syrians saw under the regime of the Assads. I was there and I know first hand. Even Iraqi neighbors under Saddam felt sympathy for Syrians. Millions of Syrians could only survive due to remittances sent by friends and family abroad. And in terms of human rights abuses, where to start. Many Syrian men of my generation or younger have scars or physical disabilities. Those that don't, have probably lost a family member or a friend via forced disappearance or under torture. Thousands of Syrian mothers, wives and children spent years looking for their missing sons, husbands and fathers and never found them.

And now with direct and extensive Russian military interference, the situation is only going to get worse and we can easily expect hundreds of thousands more to pour out of Syria in search of refuge. For those that don't get the gravity of the situation, about 10 million Syrians (out of 24 million) have lost their homes. About 6 million of them are internally displaced and 4 million have left the country. Now it will get much worse because the regime of Assad is attacking and destabilizing areas where the internally displaced have been accommodated. I expect within 12 months we will see 2-4 million more Syrians leaving Syria unless someone does something to stop Assad - for example impose a no-fly zone as a starting point.

BUT: the world never took the situation in Syria seriously. Most of what was done amounts to token gestures. All while Russia and Iran are sending weapons and fighters to Assad and KSA/Qatar are sending money and weapons to Islamic radicals. The moderate Syrian rebels were essentially forgotten and almost entirely crushed between Assad and the Islamists.

Like I said before, when you ignore the monster in your neighbor's house long enough, it will come knocking at your door. Heck, it will crash straight through your door even.

Are any of the anti Assad groups really any better?

Living Syrians are a people with essentially no tradition whatsoever of good governance or civil order. How are traumatized people who associate government with evil going to adapt to the hyper governance and civic orientation of places like Germany?

Being a good individual is not enough to fit into and make a contribution to a well-functioning modern secular society.

So Junker has announced ''160,000'' to be scattered to the 4 winds, 453,000 already in Germany???? last 24 hours, 5,200 turned up on the Serbian/Hungary border, just do the numbers. Even if these countries, Syria, Libya etc.. suddenly became paradise these people won't return.

As I said in an earlier post, strange how Christians were being murdered in public shows of power in these countries yet now they want to live amongst us. It's not a matter of where they are put but where THEY want to be. Politicians please stop being stupid, maybe you should go and speak to the people. Just heard a great one on CNN, Sophie T'veld (euro MEP) ''we know some of the people coming will be criminals but we already have our own in our own countries'' so we are now importing ''extra'' criminals.

I don't imagine many of the ''invaders'' will be living next door to Junker or Merkel. Enough already.

You clearly are the uninformed one here, Johnny, if you still believe America 'protects' and 'gives with unconditional generosity' just... for the sake of love and humanity.

For sure, the Vietnamese, the Philippinos, the Iranians, the Guatemalans, the Chileans (and actually pretty much all Central and South America), the Indonesians, the Laotians, the Haitians, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Libyans, (and soon probably the Ukrainians too), to name a few, are thankful for America's selfless love and humanity.

You can be proud to be American for Ray Charles tho ;)


Does accepting money necessarily mean losing your sovereignty and independence? Maybe... but that's not the kind of Europe I want.

Wasn't it France playing key role in Libya mess ? (and quite a few others)

Johnny reb - please don't fool yourself, America believes itself to be the worlds policemen, let me quote you from George Bush on the day of the 9/11 attack, '' how dare these folk (yes he called them folk) attack the capital of the WORLD''

Question, when was the last time America attacked/bombed a white nation? I'll give you a clue, before you were born I guess.

theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/hungarian-media-told-not-to-broadcast-images-refugee-children-memo
"Hungarian TV 'told not to broadcast images of refugee children"
"Employees of Hungarian state television have been instructed not to include children in footage of news pieces about migrants and refugees"
"MTVA, denied state media outlets have been told to limit public sympathy towards refugees"

Yes, unfortunately, with America's support.

Why, the U.SA. is already feeding half the world. Enough is enough.
Everyone hates the U.S.A. until they get their pickle in a jam and then the tune changes.


Wait until the U.S.A. starts bombing the **** out of Iran and the refugees come pouring into Europe then.


Really, WHO do you think NATO is ?
If it wasn't for NATO (the U.S.A.) you would be speaking Russian.
With Russia sticking their nose into Syria now things ought to start heating up real soon.
I can only guess what the puppet masters have in store for us.

That's the plan? So there's really nothing your country can do except bombing other countries?


A military organization who was supposed to fight evil communism, if I remember well. So? Communism is over. I want my country out of it (again), ASAP. Personally.


If it wasn't for Russia, the war would never have ended in 1945 but probably much later.
Russia is in Syria now. Maybe they'll do a better job than your boys.


Sources?
But you're right, Russian officials said they don't intend to attack for now. Even tho they suggested other countries (including Westerners) to join and get rid of ISIS. But Westerners are too focused on Al-Asad.

Assad is dead. The Assad mk 2 that you're referring to now is just one of his sons who was installed as a figurehead for the regime. Think of Kim Jong Un only less so. The focus of the Western governments seems remarkable in its absence - in fact there's very little focus at all, just firefighting.

And as long as Daesh have their oilfield in N. Iraq and a way to get the product out through Syria, they're an enemy with a war chest, and a ready source of materiel from Russia. No easy answer here.

Italy: Lega Nord march to stop immigrant "invasion"

youtube.com/watch?v=mc0YctkX_dM

All morons who understand real meaning of what is full mission of EU now rejoice.

Nigel Farage On Syrian Refugees, Jeremy Corbyn, And Border Control

youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=-ckcf5enoRk

i sincerely hope that would Russia destroy that nest of evil that is ISIS- great western European and USA creation for f*****g the world.

What media do you read/watch?


How is that relevant? I'm not arrogant. You're the one bragging about your country's pseudo good deads.

Long dead, 15 years even - this (Bashar) Al Assad is the son of the old one (Hafez), 30 years in power and the man who made Syria the repressive state that it became. Bashar is a Kim Jong Un figure installed by his late father's clique and only because of Bassel's early death. They call the shots, not him.

The regime are responsible for the humanitarian crisis - he is just a cypher.

Jon, I'm talking about Bashar. The one that was reelected last year. Democratically.


Then tell me why there weren't so many migrants fleeing the country before the civil war? If the regime was so horrible, how come people didn't flee in such great numbers before?

I've discussed with a few Syrians (Christians and Muslims), and they surprisingly didn't talk about the regime as bad as you do. You've never been to Syria, have you?

"Why, the U.SA. is already feeding half the world. Enough is enough.
Everyone hates the U.S.A. until they get their pickle in a jam and then the tune changes."

Good old America is gone. Let's be honest, America's ME policy is strange, to put it mildly... And in case of NATO, I have serious doubts If it's going to work as it should If the shyt hits the fan... False security guarantees are far worse than no guarantees.

The son then, the puppet of the junta.


How many people could get to polling stations? How were the votes cast in rebel-held territory? How did the people killed by the Syrian government with poison gas complete their ballot papers?


They did. remember Polson, people put up with a hell of a lot if they have a job and a roof over they and their families' heads. Now that shelter has gone.


There are people who speak well of the North Korean Regime too, and plenty of the older generation in Germany and Russia liked the good old days.


Have you spent much time there? I'm a few hours drive away at the moment...

And in the meantime, the humanitarian crisis grows. One about which we have two choices, to do something or to do nothing.

"If the regime was so horrible, how come people didn't flee in such great numbers before?"

Likely because 1. there was no war. 2. The government's forces would push them back/arrest.

Not that I disagree in general... sure these Arab despots were better than current mess. If you want to remove the despot, first prepare some real post-war strategy. The way the west does it (let's remove this guy and everything will be fine) is disaster and personally I don't believe it's a matter of foolishness. Someone wants to totally destabilize the ME, the refugee crisis is just a small part of it.

Immigrant invasion, refugee flood, humanitarian crisis, call it what you will, Europe is now now experiencing its biggest crisis since WW2, and there is no end in sight. Regardless of how many refugees or eocnomic migrants any country accepts, more will follow and already are following.

The situaiton has spun out of control and nobody knows what to do about it. New walls are being built, train traffic is being brought to a halt, Denmark has suspended ferry service from Germany, more and more politicians are saying that not the resutls but the causea should be dealt with, the hostilities generating the exodus must be stopped. Will the US send warplanes to bomb suspected ISIS sites? Despite Putin's denials not only military advisers but Russian combat troops are already on the ground in Syria. I hope I'm wrong, but all this very much looks like a possible overture to World War Three!

Again tree-huggers are leading us all to disaster...

i think that is global war inevitable. Seriously. My only hope is that it won`t go nuclear and that would conflicting sides satisfy to combat with conventional weapons, in order to compete for some zones. All would be followed with enormous war propaganda on all sides. Still, it can always go nuclear if things go out of control or if somebody wants so for all kind of reasons

Quebec doesn't care because they know that a large percentage of people that immigrate to canada (directly to quebec) will immediately move to ontario. Immigrants learn basic french, pass a basic exam and are admitted entry to quebec. The chinese discovered this and are abusing it. It's a scam but it makes Quebec look very caring and PC.


True, but they're mostly interested in christian refugees (mostly ukrainians).


Smart move. Propaganda will only make things worse.


Can't wait.


HAHA yeah right.

What Syrians? Where?

Every single Syrian I know despises the regime of the Assads. Now they despise Putin and also the Iranian regime too.

Edit to add: @Pol3, you are right about too little too late. But a no-fly zone and kicking Russia's and Iran's butts would improve things considerably. Stop Assad from bombing Syrians (by cutting off his support from Russia and Iran) and Syrians will eliminate the radicals by themselves.

The lack of any discourse in the media regarding what can/should be done in Lebanon or Turkey and Syria is just appalling - or what is the root cause of the tragedies today in Syria, and Iraq, Egypt, Libya... isn't Assad's 'dictatorship' better than that of ISIS or other radicals'? Going by recent examples of Iraq, Libya, Egypt and now Syria - weren't the people there better off then under these 'dictators' than they are now living in the so called bloody 'democracies'?

Well said Jardinero. Just, you forgot Yugoslavia and Ukraine. Its was and it is also hand work of NATO and EU leading powers. No, they don`t care for those tragedies as long as their wealth flow

NATO, the US and EU workign together in perfect harmony (which is highly unlikely!) are the only ones able to do something about this crisis, but I fear its magnitude is such that even they won't be able to change much for the better.

Elections in the middle of a civil war is not an easy thing to do, I agree on that part. The Syrians living in rebel-controlled territories couldn't vote (for obvious reasons unfortunately). But still, the result speaks for itself. Even if we don't like it, Bashar is Syria's president for now. The priority now should be ISIS, not him.

As to the people killed by the Syrian government with poison gas, I'd like evidence, Jon, please. Many independent investigations (not supported by the Syrian gov) on the sarin attack ended up saying that there's a good chance it was actually a false-flag attack made by the rebels.


Jon, I never said that Syria was a model of democracy. I'm saying it used to be a stable country, where people from different ethnic groups and different religions were cohabiting peacefully. There was still a lot to do but it was probably not as bad as you think, and surely not as bad as it is now.


I haven't. But I have a close friend who has. She knows better than us, don't you think?
After all, all you and I know comes from TV news, the Internet, and books. All of these are interpretations of reality, nothing more.


That I don't know. But my Syrian friend used to visit Europe regularly, and it seems no-one forced her to stay in Syria back then. She seemed free to come and go as much as she wanted. But I can't say all Syrians could do the same, I have no idea.