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USA tried to steal German vaccine against Corona Virus



Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #31

Since when do you need proof? You attack people, countries, whole races and religions non-stop and you don't have one bit of "proof".

But that's the timeline summary:

- CureVac CEO Menichella meets with Trump

- Suddenly, without disclosure of reasons, said CEO is fired and replaced by the german original founder Hoerr.

Why should they do that?

- The main shareholder (80%), one billionaire Dietmar Hopp (also the founder of mega corporation SAP) feels then inclined to say that:

"....he was not selling and wanted CureVac to develop a coronavirus vaccine to "help people not just regionally but in solidarity across the world."

Why should he say that now? It should be matter of course, right?

- At the same time the german govern get's super active and ups the stakes to secure CureVac for Germany and the EU.

Why should they do that???

Now a media shitstorm started, that story is everywhere but the world actually knows "the Trump" and when they wouldn't believe it true for some else politician they believe it totally that this is something Trump would try!

Will there ever come a true word out of the White House about this? Of course not, in that regard Trumpistan is no better than China!

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #32

You attack people, countries, whole races and religions non-stop and you don't have one bit of "proof".

OK, genius, those were MY opinions. Claiming that Trump is a thief requires proof. Got it?

Why should they do that???

That would not be allowed even as circumstantial evidence. It's, at best, an unfunded conclusion dressed up as a question.

You don't even have a direct statement from the German government that the US was planning to acquire the exclusive rights to that vaccine and keep it away from others. If you have it, quote it.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #33

Well....most people can totally believe it...more than enough indications....blame Trump and his supporters! They ruined the image of the White House!

MAGA my arse!

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #34

A deflecting weasel at his very best....
OK, what proof do you have - even from the German government - that the US was going to steal that vaccine and keep it for itself?

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #35

@Rich Mazur

Why was the CEO fired just days after meeting Trump?

Why does CureVac today issue a statement, that they wont make any deals with USA?

The thing is easy. CureVac can produce 30 million doses per cycle. If Trump gets it and does his american first policy, when you think Germans would get it?

With curevac in German hands, first Germans will get it, then Europeans and then we can think about USA

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #36

A deflecting weasel at his very best....

Proof?

PS:

"German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer told a news conference that the government's coronavirus crisis committee would discuss the CureVac case on Monday."

I will keep an eye on things...

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #37

Do you and BB actually know English enough to carry on a coherent conversation?

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #38

@Rich Mazur

The german health minister Spahn made it public just minutes ago and said Trumps deal is off the table.

zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/corona-spahn-interview-100.html#xtor=CS5-95

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #39

Do you and BB actually know English enough to carry on a coherent conversation?

How is your German you numb nut?

Then you could inform yourself not depending on others....

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #40

From washingtonpost.com:

The European Union has announced that E.U. companies that produce masks, gloves and protective garments will need government permission to sell outside the 27-nation bloc.

So who is keeping things away from others?

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #41

@Rich Mazur

You back paddle now, German Health Minister says Trumps attempt to get german vaccine was thwarted.

Appears your deal makers deals are not very good?

Trump could have offered cooperation, but no he wanted steal it from us and get it american exclusive and exclude Germany from something we developed.

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #42

From washingtonpost.com:

Italy, which is combatting the worst coronavirus crisis in Europe, has complained about Germany and France's initial decision to stockpile equipment inside their borders. Berlin and Paris lifted the restrictions on Friday.

"We need to keep in the E.U. the protective equipment that we need," European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Sunday. "This is the right thing to do because we need that equipment for our health-care systems."


I got it. Good EU. Evil Trump.

but no he wanted steal it

Why don't you look up "steal" and tell us what you found.

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #43

@Rich Mazur

You say when its US exclusive, Germany would have same acess to it like when its produced in Germany? How does that fit into Trumps american first ideology?

Joker
15 Mar 2020  #44

You don't even have a direct statement from the German government that the US

They probably just wanted to create some more propaganda to appease the restless Germans, so they blame it on Trump its the PC thing to do these days.

We all know how good the Germans are at creating Propaganda!

Not one word about this in the USA, very strange, like a mystery movie.

Why don't you look up "steal"

Even his tabloid news media didnt go that far to accuse Trump of stealing.

What an Aholish thread!

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #45

I knew that somewhere I will find a disclaimer aka weasel word. Sure enough, from dailymail.com:

Trump is reportedly trying to secure the scientists' work exclusively for the US

For 100, I will let you, weasels, find the weasel word.

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #46

@Joker

German health minister Jens Spahn made a public statement just 1h ago where he said that Germany prevented Trump from getting the company. There wont be any deal with USA. Now you have it, from highest position.

Also its a fact the CEO meet Trump 2nd March and was fired few days later.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #47

Not one word about this in the USA

What exactly are you reading? Breitbart only?

washingtonexaminer.com/news/german-officials-anxious-about-trump-jockeying-to-convince-firm-devising-coronavirus-vaccine-to-move-stateside
newsweek.com/donald-trump-tried-convince-german-scientists-make-coronavirus-vaccine-only-united-states-1492416
nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/germany-tries-to-stop-us-from-luring-away-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine
theweek.com/speedreads/902398/trump-reportedly-trying-lure-german-company-working-coronavirus-vaccine-exclusively
nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/15/world/europe/15reuters-health-coronavirus-germany-usa.html
cnbc.com/2020/03/15/coronavirus-germany-tries-to-stop-us-luring-away-firm-seeking-vaccine.html
nbcnews.com/news/us-news/germany-tries-stop-trump-luring-away-firm-working-coronavirus-vaccine-n1159426
msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-tries-to-stop-us-poaching-german-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB11dfdv
businessinsider.in/science/news/trump-tried-to-poach-german-scientists-working-on-a-cure-for-coronavirus-and-offered-cash-so-the-vaccine-would-be-exclusive-to-the-usa/articleshow/74639929.cms

huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/coronavirus-vaccine-german-firm-trump_uk_5e6e5b9bc5b6747ef11f16e5/
etc....

A honest question...do you think Trump would try something like this?

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #48

Germany prevented Trump from getting the company.

"Getting" or "stealing"? You are smart enough to know the difference, or are you?

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #49

Really? You are so sensitive about one little word? How come? It's an opinion...heh:)

You know what's the worst? People who can dish out but can't take it....true weasels! Alpha my arse!

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #50

@Rich Mazur

Well as Trumpist, tell me would it make a difference for Germany or not if the company goes to USA? Yes or no? If its US exclusive, what would that mean for us?

Joker
15 Mar 2020  #51

Germany prevented Trump from getting the company.

Not one mention of stealing by Jan SPHAN or anything close for that matter. Only you blowing hot air and exposing your hatred for Trump..

What exactly are you reading? Breitbart only?

You must have a reading comprehension problem, taken from your first link..

CureVac, the German firm which expects to have a vaccine available for testing in June, was offered additional funds to relocate stateside so that Trump

Not exactly corporate espionage is it? And not word remotely close to stealing, your guys are a joke!

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #52

CureVac is in the topics.....you said it's like a sci-fi movie, nobody in the US talks about it...which is a lie....you just need to google for yourself.

That I have to show it to you is ridiculous!

Just try some more links....read...When I can do it (with my bad English) you should be able to do it too....TRY!

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #53

@Joker

Of course its stealing. The company was funded from german tax money. Trump offered one billion, that would go to some investors but the german tax payer who made it possible would suffer from virus, because it would ve USA exclusive.

You wont get it. Deal with it.

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #54

Yes or no?

I will answer after you remove that idiotic "steal" from the thread title.

Really? You are so sensitive about one little word?

Yes, just as you would be if somebody accused you of raping a woman you had consensual sex with, my verbally challenged German weasel.

You must have a reading comprehension problem,

That would be excusable. They are worse.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #55

Well....there are not only the Trumpsters:

twitter.com/tbsailors/status/1239174498806640640

A good reminder that Trump isn't the US....a country I still adore! So I better leave it at that.

'night all

Weimarer
15 Mar 2020  #56

@Rich Mazur
Cant change it anymore.

So what would be better word to show how negative and hostile this deal was against the Germans? Poaching?

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #57

Against the PF policy, here is a comment from dailymail.com worth reading in its entirety:

Fact is that there are two priorities: 1). Contain the spread of the virus and 2) develop a vaccine. Trump is the only world leader aggressively supporting both, with urgency. CureVac is realistically close to that second goal.

Dr. Ingmar Hoerr is a potential Nobel Price laureate. He started the company 10 years ago, before he had finished his studies. The German Government is sound asleep on pitching in and accelerating this promising development.

All Trump has done is to offer the company to continue their development in the U.S. The allegations that the entire world would not benefit are despicable politics. So far, the financial support CureVac has received is around EUR 6. million. Trump apparently offered them $ 1 billion.

Nice to have a President with good business instincts.
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So who is the good guy here, a-holes? BTW, that 6 million is what the furniture in his office is worth.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #58

Proof?

Rich Mazur
15 Mar 2020  #59

Same as yours.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Mar 2020  #60

Great! :)

So...Monday the german gov will discuss this CureVac case and hopefully come out with some text....till then...gotta go!


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