Vote of no confidence in the Mods

There are some cracking arguments to be had on Facebook at the minute. Speaking of which, our favourite ****** from PF is banned from a load of them for trolling about Muslims.


That's because it only exists in your head.

Surf "Here, here" did you once work as an MP in the house of commons?

This forums better than most i have been on, everyone gets their say, I don't think the mods can please everyone, bit like politics, they have to find a compromise, and not let things get out of hand

Sadly I have to agree with you there.


That's because there isn't any here. For example, the reason that you are so widely disliked and reviled here is not that you are Polish, it's because you are you, and so you are widely disliked and reviled, despite being Polish.

Smurf is not since he is one (as well as Dougpol1 is) of the prominent members of the Polonophobia tag team, but pretend to obviously "love Poland".


You are well a prominent member of the Polonophobia tag team, although you are not a "semi-literate idiot".

Polonophobia tag team :D I love it!

Anyway, the rules seem pretty clear around here. Stay on-topic, don't abuse personally (except in off-topic, in which case feel free) and feel free to say all manner of repulsive things as long as it's on-topic.

As someone new to the forum. and found this off topic place.

It is interesting that although people on this thread have some very wide views, and a bit of bashing goes on, The majority of the time all of you are helpful to people who come to the forum to learn about Poland and get help. Nice common human trait eh. but the bashing is highly entertaining, I am trying to catch up is there a list of peoples previous user names so that i can connect postings,, thanks in advance.

There is polonophobia on this forum no matter how much you lie that there isn't.


Said the most disliked poster on the forum's history.

No, there really isn't. Polonophobia was invented by Poles, anyway.


Not true, given that half of us rather like Harry.

And antisemitism by Jews and islamophobia by muslims and so on.


No comments :-)

Difference is that you can actually measure it, unlike with "polonophobia" which seems to be entirely invented for the purpose of creating enemies.


You don't have to comment - Harry pays tax here, you don't ;)

polonophobia does exist, I have been called a white wog and my dad used to get Nazi salutes from the local kids. (in the UK)

You say that you can't measure cases of physical violence against Poles and racial slur against Polish people and their country in the real world and online? Wow I wonder how are you going to explain that.


And yet I can vote for Andrzej Duda and PiS and he can't vote for his scumbags :-)))))))

They take the easiest way and totally censor and deny discussions on certain topics to millions of Poles in Poland, but it's not a big deal for you. We allow discussions on these topics, but it makes us deniers of free speech. There's no logic here. PF is focused on Poland, not on Europe; you may still discuss refugee crisis from general points of view, but NOT in the Poland-related topics.


Then stay on topic and don't post an unrelated message in the Poland-related thread. Then it will not have to be moved and it will save a lot moderators' time.


No, the thread SUBJECT decides if it has value. If the topic is about apples and you post about oranges, YOU were the one who decided your opinion has no value in that thread. The board is run solely to the opening topic theme and topic subject' satisfaction.


Interesting.. you've been posting the mantra for years now and it seems you've been here more often than others do.


Gazeta.pl banned all discussions about refugees because (as they say) too many messages were filled with: racism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia. Dougpol1 has a problem with us allegedly 'censoring' such messages. You agree with Dougpol1. The reality is - all discussions about refugees will have racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic comments. Doughpol1 doesn't want us to censor them. You accuse us of allowing them. Sorry, but I don't get it; you agree with someone who has the opposite views on the matter.

The fact that you choose to vote in Poland while refusing to contribute to Poland shows that you do not have the best interests of Poland at heart.


Why would anybody want to vote for a scumbag? Although you seem to be happy to vote for a criminal who has defrauded the Polish taxpayer (i.e. not you).


Why would any discussions about refugees have homophobic comments?

Indeed. A perfect example why there should be no representation without taxation.


No. No. Harry. No. You'll give Polonius ideas : he'll talk about gay refugees raping Polish men :(

Wrong, I spend quite a sum of money every time I'm in Poland, I also support my parents who spend the money legally. So a chunk of my earnings that you also have obsession about contributes to Polish economy.


Who would you vote for if you had the right to do so or you're also shamed to name it just like other members of your clique?

I somehow suspect that you and I have rather different ideas as to what 'quite a sum of money' is and that what is quite a sum of money to you is a meal out and a couple of drinks to me.


Given that you supposedly are so vastly attractive to your employer, and given that your salary is supposedly so vast, and given that you supposedly love Poland so much, why aren't you living here and paying all of your taxes here?


Interesting to see that your ignorance of Poland extends to who can vote here; as it happens last time I chose to not vote.

Wulkan, you have no need to justify you patriotism or polish financial contribution to anyone, I am sure you are paying your dues where you are, and as you say you spend when you are in poland.

The fact that your heart appears to be in Poland is good enough

@Ziem: You are showing your lack of arguments ;). I live in Poland, contribute to Polish economy through my work and my tax and have an income much higher than what most Poles do have, I had a Polish husband and since I do know Poland and Polish ways, I can judge what I think is ok and what I think is not. "Polonophobia" or whatever would imply that I'm systematically against everything re Poland ;). My husband (who passed away some years ago) was ... Polish so do you think I could have possibly married and remained with a (marvelous) Pole till his very end if I were ... "polonophobe"??? There are a lot of things I don't like in Poland (like for instance climate, food and the mentality of MANY (= NOT ALL) Poles). Of course, I cannot do anything re climate but I don't eat Polish food and I mingle with the Poles that suit me (trust me, all Poles are NOT intolerant bigots).

The mods have a very hard job here as there are strong opinions of the opposites.
You have the low information non believer in Christianity Liberals vs. the intellectual conservative Believers in Christianity.
Of course there will be disagreements between the dumb downed Liberals and the literate Conservatives.
(No need to mention names.)
I think we should all chip in $20 so we can buy the mods something nice for Christmas to show our appreciation for them. :-)

Just like Jews invented anti-Semitism. Invented it? They have turned it into a lucrative industry. As usual, the Polish inventors of polanophobia have failed to get their act together. When will Poles ever learn to BE MORE LIKE JEWS!

I've read articles in The Guardian quite a few times and I don't think I've ever seen comments under the articles. I haven't seen any forum either.


I'm only aware of this censorship going on at "Gazeta Wyborcza" site and not in general in the online Polish press. You can read comments at "Rzeczpospolita" and other internet sites of Polish newspapers and news portals and TV stations. BBC and CNN doesn't allow comments at all on the other hand, I've seen comments very rarely being allowed on BBC in general, so there's nothing to censor.


No, it doesn't. Of course such phenomenon exists in reality, just like anti-Semitism does, racism, Islamophobia, Russophobia, I'm sure there are cases of Anglophobia too, etc.


It pops up from time to time when usually some guest posters from UK arrive on PF. As for some of the registered users then I would say it's more a case of different levels of chauvinism.

There are chauvinists among Westerners too. Don't think you're somehow free of that.
Let's take smurf's comment from the thread about refugees, for example - he wrote that Slavic nations are selfish. For you it's probably nothing bad, right? Innocent comment, no harm done? And he's probably right anyway, yes? :) But If Polonius wrote that Jews are greedy he would be accused of being anti-Semitic. Or if he wrote that black people are lazy he would be accused of being racist. If Wulkan wrote that Muslims are rapists or pedophiles or whatever he would be accused of being Islamophobic.
Only one guest poster, probably Polish, commented that what smurf wrote in that thread was "racist".
You never criticize your PF buddies :)
There are some arrogant or chauvinistic (or both) people on PF like Dougpol1, for example, or InPolska. I would say that jon357 has some chip on his shoulder too. Of course all of this can be to varying degrees. You don't have to say "I hate Poles" to display some level of chauvinism, btw :)
In case you say I'm not being objective - TheOther called InPolska a chauvinist on the refugee thread and noone disagreed? Of course, he wasn't criticising her for her attitude towards Poles or Poland, but towards Germany and her general conviction of French wonderfulness, I guess :)
Obviously, there are some weird and insufferable people on the other side of the barricade too, like johnny reb, for example, etc.
But here's the thing - you are convinced that only the people on the other side of the barricade can be wrong, can be prejudiced, dislikeable, etc.
I'm not trying to say, btw, that the prejudiced, chauvinistic, etc. people can't be right from time to time about sth. They can be. Dougpol1 can be right about sth, InPolska can be right about sth (she's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, btw lol), Wulkan can be right about sth, Polonius, etc.

Btw, in order not to be only negative - there are some likeable people on PF and I would say that the people that I personally find the most likeable and objective/non-chauvinistic/non-snobish are, for example, rozumiemnic and Roger.


Delph, this is really beyond funny... or sad... or both, I don't know.
You're writing the exact same thing that anti-Semites are writing about anti-Semitism, what Islamophobes are writing about Islamophobia, racists about racism, homophobes about homophobia, Russophobes about Russophobia.
Do you realise this?


What about when people start comparing apples with oranges? :)
It's not mathematics, sometimes the line between on-topic and off-topic gets blurry.
I've seen quite a lot of inconsequent modding on PF and sometimes I simply don't know what will be allowed in one thread and what in another. Not that I blame the mods, it's not an easy task, but, you know, it can get confusing and frustrating for posters too.

But, anyway, InPolska is right - in the end it's just an internet forum ;)

Do you want links Paulina? The Guardian is the bastion of free and uncensored liberal speech (of course disgusting slurs and libellious comments are removed - something that obviously Gazeta.pl or whoever are too lazy to do.........so they take the establishment line and deny people the right to a voice.

The point with the Guardian and their ilk is that "the message" is NEVER censored. Simple, innit?

Arrogant? Moi? What have I got to be arrogant about? We are all in the Union now, so let's pull together. But you Poles are the arrogant people here.
The whole of British diplomatic circles think so.

Just saying....

NO COMMENT!

LOL What a silly statement. Your generation "likes" someone from their online persona and comments? What you mean is, you find their view of the world to be non-offensive and in line with your lily white world. Boo-bloody hoo.

There are people suffering out there and Poland didn't even offer a zloty to those camps in Serbia. What do you think about that Miss Lily White? Aren't you ashamed?

LOL I know, Harry telling you that you are widely disliked here is like midges telling you that you're short, quite comical.


I'm sure vast majority of Polish tax payers would be happy to give some money to the camps in Serbia if that would mean they won't enter our country.

that Poland (and by definition, it's inhabitants..) is sliding back towards the "Unspeakable" image that Kaczynski managed to purvey the last time....

Poland has a lot of talent and I work with some of the best. Unfortunately some of them also have this disgusting xenophobe tendency that your grandparents instilled in you.

Tut-tut.

Then why was my thread about the Polish foreign minister deleted?

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11998766/Polands-foreign-minister-proposes-forming-army-out-of-the-Syrian-men-arriving-in-Europe.html

No indication that it has been merged with another thread or something; it simply disappeared. Why?

Use the 'Posted In' link to find this thread. It has not disappeared; you've been a member for 6 years and cannot find your own posts; no wonder others may be confused too: polishforums.com/off-topic/civil-war-syria-76128/#msg1513921

Well, of course :) Even before writing my first post on this thread I've checked The Guardian site, just in case, and I haven't seen any comments by readers under articles.


That's your interpretation - that they are too lazy. They explain it in a different way. They say that they don't want to show the hateful comments because they "don't agree with hurting people's dignity on their forum". They will also "inform the prosecutor office about the hate speech based on race and religion". That's the comment under this article for example:

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,19197523,ruch-kukiza-wzywa-do-zmiany-stanowiska-ws-migrantow-musimy.html


I'm not sure what you mean... What "message"?


Yes, you, mister :)


Oh I could find quite a few quotes by you on this very forum :)


Well, of course, Poles are arrogant people :))) And Slavs are selfish :) And Jews are greedy :) Etc. etc. :)


Oh dear, then it clearly must be true... British diplomats accusing a whole nation of being arrogant :)


;D

And do you know what Russians are saying about Westerners? They've been warning me about you guys many times and I didn't believe them and I was defending Westerners and the West against their accusations, you see, me, silly, naive "Eastern European" girl... :)


I wrote which Westerners on PF I personally consider to be the most likeable, objective, non-chauvinistic, non-snobbish, judging by their comments, of course. I don't think there's anything silly about it, unless you consider Harry's statement about disliking and reviling Wulkan as "silly" too?


:)
I wonder, would you write the same thing to a Jewish woman, for example?


That would depend if it's true and if anyone else is offering any money to camps in Serbia, I guess. And if there is need to be money offered there.
And, btw, why do you people have such a great need for other people to be ashamed?
I may think that something is wrong, for example, but why do you want me to be personally ashamed? (just asking)