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Stance of Poland in UNESCO on behalf of Serbia and Kosovo, no support for western European initiative.


Crow
12 Jul 2015  #1

Powerful western European and USA magnates would do everything to justify their intervention in former Yugoslavia, to justify their policing the world. They would do anything to hide, to prevent their responsibility for destruction of Yugoslavia and genocidal crimes on Serbians and other Yugoslavs, their alliance with worse mujaheedines of Islamic league against Slaveno-Christian Europeans, their use of depleted uranium against civilian population in the middle of Europe, their crimes against God and the nature, etc, etc, etc. But they shall fail. They shall all one day finished in the real international court, in a world where they don`t dominate but are just some among the many and equal.

Truth shall win about it what happened in former Yugoslavia, i have no doubts about it. Injustice can`t win, God won`t allow that to happen- neither the Jesus Christ, neither the half forgotten Svetovid.

It is honor to my people to fight against numerous and such a powerfully enemy. It feels good to know how our opponents are strong, how they gathering and how despite them and all their might our economy consolidates, our strength recuperate, our word among other Slavs overcome the negative influence of one England.

free Slavs within free humanity
Dougpol1
12 Jul 2015  #2

free Slavs within free humanity

I know Crow. One of my closest friends in Katowice was Serbian. A top engineer, and all round great guy, until he had a few drinks and started banging on about the little incident 600 odd years ago that still bothers you all.

If you only gave the silliness that is religion a rest once in a while, than you could all get on with your lives. That holds for the Christian Democrats in Czech, Poland, wherever. I don't like them :( "Democrat" being a misnomer.....

In the meantime, the International community want you in, not outside. Their conditions are: no more wars. Just keep to your borders, and let the muslims keep to theirs. I stay away from @@@holes inasmuch as I can, so maybe you, and your PM also, should just stay away from those that you despise..
Polonius3
12 Jul 2015  #3

everything to justify genocidal crimes on Serbians

And you will do everything to justify Serbia's genocidal crimes against other Yugoslav nations. Those atroicities could not be concealed for they were monitored by the UN, witnessed by international peacekeepers and reported by journalists from around the globe. They all saw who the prime villain was -- the Serbians. You can twist,. distort and re-interpret the facts all you want but that will not change the undeniable truth: THE SERBIANS WERE THE BAD GUYS! The sooner they confess and apologise, the better!
Crow
12 Jul 2015  #4

Their conditions are: no more wars.

good joke man. Serbs didn`t start these wars. Go tell it to NATO, EU, Islamic league and their local satellites.

They all saw who the prime villain was -- the Serbians.

well, Serbs don`t have similar propaganda capacities as western European powers and USA but, they shall win. You shall see
Levi
12 Jul 2015  #5

"If you only gave the silliness that is religion a rest once in a while,"

It is easy for you to say that. To say "ignore religion".

Unlike Crow, that lives in Serbia, you country was not victim of thousands of extremists Mujahedeen sponsored by oil money that tried to destroy his civilization.

And i am not talking about 600 hundreds years ago. I am talking about 30 years ago.

Luckily Poland didnt suffered that.
Crow
12 Jul 2015  #6

God bless you Levi for your compassionate words. i suppose you are Polish, my thanks to you. Velika je Poljska- shining Northern star.

Yes we defended ourselves violently against overwhelming foes. They attacked us and lied on us and they still attacking and still lying. For NATO (leading powers), i am not surprised. Its military alliance of some financial circles and by definition as military organization it tend to destroy what it see as obstacle. But, it is the greatest disappointment that EU ruling establishment took on itself role of destructor of peoples and nations with use of lies and propaganda, deception and sinister schemes and, after all, open military force. It is actually abominable that European Union, a European organization, acted side by side and coordinated with Islamic league against one old European Slaveno-Christian Serbian people, lied and still lie on that European people. It is something that i didn`t expect. It is something behind the evil. It is something that truly questioning nature of EU.
Dougpol1
12 Jul 2015  #7

It is something behind the evil

The Germans atoned for their leaders' war crimes. Serbians sadly do not have that humility, or class.

PS: The ONLY reason why Serbia did not visit the same genocide against the Albanians in Kosovo is because the west prevented them from doing so in the nick of time.

Does it make you happy, being responsible for the worst European genocide since WW2? Do you have no shame at all? The mind boggles. In the meantime, enjoy your isolation and scum reputation.
Crow
12 Jul 2015  #8

The Germans atoned for their leaders' war crimes. Serbians sadly do not have that humility, or class.

lies won`t bring you anything. Truth is very simple. Truth is just that - TRUTH.

In war that was not started by Serbs, genocide happened on Serbs that live in villages around Srebrenica and, when Serbians reacted to that genocide to end suffering and protect innocent man, woman and children, some among Serbs committed crime on fleeing and captured Muslim fighters and males. Serbians investigated, persecuted, jailed those Serbs who were involved in crime in chaos that occured, Serbs then apologized for crime, but nobody apologized for the genocide on Serbs. Neither the local Muslims, neither Islamic league, neither the NATO and EU leaders who allowed that to happen and even organized it. Neither the western European leaders said any condemnation for example about Croatian ethnic cleansing of 300.000 Krajina Serbs and killing of thousands of Serbs in the process. No, western European and USA leaders didn`t apologized to Serbs for NATO and EU role in ethnic cleansing and murdering of Serbs. No, instead to apologize and feel shame, western European and USA leaders and mass media decided that the best defense is to attack. So, they increased efforts in propaganda against Serbs. That anti-Serbian propaganda now turns to be real hysteria.

How deep morally can fall EU and NATO ruling establishment?
Dougpol1
12 Jul 2015  #9

Serbia has NO sympathy in the community Crow. It was self inflicted. Just as the Nazis got no sympathy, nor did your totalitarian evil regime. Bluster all you want. Everybody knows what a murdering regime yours' was, and the educated Serbs hold up their hands to it.

Stupidly ex- nationalists keep being elected - almost as if you want the past to continue.

Criminals here in Poland like Kisczak were retired. As they should be.
Crow
12 Jul 2015  #10

Domination must goes on. So, west of Europe and USA are powerful foe and great liars. When they move against you, their propaganda machinery tear-apart you and then comes the military force to finish what is left of you.

Still, Serbians are Serbians. They have erection.
Dougpol1
13 Jul 2015  #11

Serbians investigated, persecuted, jailed those Serbs who were involved in crime in chaos that occured

So you are saying that the Serbian government had NOTHING to do with the harbouring and hiding of Mladic and Karadzic?
LOL. If it was indeed funny. :(

As with that rotting scum that was Jaruzelski, I haven't the faintest clue why an oppressed countries' own people don't butcher fallen dictators. Only Romania had the right idea, even if their scum was replaced by little better in the short term.

Would everyone please stick to the topic
Crow
11 Aug 2015  #12

Main topic in the region since last year is Shiftar brotherly solidarity with Islamic state, so called ISIS

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passport of so called `state` of Kosovo that Shiftar terrorists supported by west of Europe and USA seceded from Slaveno-Christian Serbia

Kosovo Albanian Leads al Qaeda/ISIS Army in Fallujah

ByPamela Geller on June 18, 2014
pamelageller.com/2014/06/kosovo-albanian-leads-al-qaedaisis-army-fallujah.html/

"Kosovo Albanian Leads Army in Fallujah," Julia Gorin, June 18, 2014

A Kosovo Albanian recruit (accompanied by another at his right) to the new marauders in Iraq, speaks in Arabic while brandishing his U.S./EU-minted, Facebook-approved "Republic of Kosovo" (Republika e Kosoves) passport, which our Congress, State Department, White House, Pentagon, and National Guard have worked―and are still working―so hard against Christian Serbia to "achieve."

InPolska
11 Aug 2015  #13

@Crow: do you happen to get out of Serbia sometimes? Please do and travel at least around Europe and you'll realize that all your nationalistic Serbian medias don't tell the truth. You don't look dumb so why do you take all the crap for granted?
Crow
11 Aug 2015  #14

ISIS is coming? a cancer?

The cure >

Gusle player play song and sing about Ratko Mladic

youtube.com/watch?v=PDiu8LCbgBo

@Crow: do you happen to get out of Serbia sometimes? Please do and travel at least around Europe and you'll realize that all your nationalistic Serbian medias don't tell the truth. You don't look dumb so why do you take all the crap for granted?

when morons secede Silesia from Poland you would also go `backward`
InPolska
11 Aug 2015  #15

@Crow: that Mladic guy, wasn't he sentenced by the international court of justice for crimes against the humanity? Is he still alive? Sorry but all those nationalits whereever they are from are nuts and most dangerous.
Crow
11 Aug 2015  #16

Ratko Mladic is just accused by those who were his opponents during war, by those who side by side with Nazis and Muslim fanatics fought against Slaveno-Christian Serbs. Process against Mladic is ongoing. He is innocent until opposite is proved. If ever proved.
InPolska
11 Aug 2015  #17

@Crow: trial still on? I must say that I'm not following. I just used to know a nice family in Dubrovnik that I had met while on vacation there and that I helped during war by sending them basic food and hygiene products thru charity. I remember one woman from that family writing me about her sister's home being bombed and completely destroyed by the Serbs. All they said was most shocking. War is no "joke".
Crow
11 Aug 2015  #18

sure. In every war innocent suffer most. Anyway, Serbs didn`t start that war. Plus, Croat Nazis allied itself with Muslim fanatics against Serbs; all under the Croatian song `Danke Deutschland`
Dougpol1
11 Aug 2015  #19

Serbs didn`t start that war

:} Dougpol scratches head in perplexed fashion, wondering who actually did. Beavers?
Crow
11 Aug 2015  #20

No, Serbs didn`t start. i telling that nicely to you.
InPolska
11 Aug 2015  #21

@Crow: for sure, the innocent suffer the most but during the time, politicians and their friends selling weapons get rich ...
Crow
11 Aug 2015  #22

True. Good that you mentioned that. See, for mafia, Yugoslavia never ended. Business flourished. But, nothing romantic there actually. If you dig deep enough you would come to the CIA, KGB, Mosad, Mi6, etc organizations in mafia hierarchy. Behind them you would found free masons and kabbalists and behind them few magnates, some of the pharmaceutical industry, some bankers, some of weapon industry, for sure few representatives of main religion organizations, etc, etc. That if you go vertically. If you go horizontally, you would also found Al Qaeda, ISIS, other mafia bosses, all kind of maniacs. Sure, police, too.

All are needed to maintain chaotic humanity.

Am i now enough progressive in discussion, InPolska? Or, am i drunk?
delphiandomine
11 Aug 2015  #23

:} Dougpol scratches head in perplexed fashion, wondering who actually did. Beavers?

Page 1360, line 1 onwards.

icty.org/x/cases/martic/trans/en/060215ED.htm

1 Could you tell us, please, was one side responsible for the escalation in

2 terms of violence and demonstrations of force?

3 A. Both sides were responsible, but to my knowledge, the Serb side

4 began using force first.

Crow, I completely understand why the Serbs felt threatened and somewhat terrified. But you can't claim that Croatians were the aggressors - they didn't start the war. For what it's worth, I agree that the Serbs of Croatia had every right to be angry and to take up arms - they were being forced out of Yugoslavia against their will, even when the Constitution of 1974 had the concept of the people AND the republics being equally sovereign in Yugoslavia.

It's worth remembering that the RSK and the Serbs only lost popular support by their actions towards Croatia. Had they carried on with the Log Revolution and simply defended RSK territory, the situation might have been dramatically different.
Dougpol1
12 Aug 2015  #24

Page 1360, line 1 onwards.

Fascinating stuff. I must admit I didn't know about the role of the Croatian special police being deployed to the city of Knin
but that doesn't excuse the might of the old Yugoslav army being deployed against civilians. Deffo a war crime there in Krajina. Respect to Mr Bilic though for his full co-operation and contrition. It's a pity that other noted Serbs haven't done the right thing as he did.
delphiandomine
12 Aug 2015  #25

Fascinating stuff. I must admit I didn't know about the role of the Croatian special police being deployed to the city of Knin

Yep, Croatia always tries to pretend that they were entirely innocent and it was just Serbian aggression, but the truth is always a bit more murky. From everything I've read, it seems that Croatia very much intended to reduce the rights of the Serbian minority - Serbs were getting fired simply because they were Serbian, for instance, and Tudjman implemented some very clumsy language policy that simply offended Serbs, even though they mostly used Croatian and not Serbian.

but that doesn't excuse the might of the old Yugoslav army being deployed against civilians. Deffo a war crime there in Krajina. Respect to Mr Bilic though for his full co-operation and contrition. It's a pity that other noted Serbs haven't done the right thing as he did.

That's what I still can't understand - had they simply blocked off majority-Serb territory (Knin was what, 90% Serb or even higher?) and made it clear to Croatia that they would defend the territory while also making it clear to Croats living in these territories that they could live freely and normally, things might have been dramatically different. I can't imagine anyone would have supported Croatian attempts to recover majority-Serb areas, and they could have stayed within Yugoslavia without much complaint.

If you've got time, it's worth reading through the next day of the testimony - you can see how he actually attempted to put some order into the RSK, including establishing a proper defence command, but Milosevic simply didn't want it.
Dougpol1
12 Aug 2015  #26

That's what I still can't understand - had they simply blocked off majority-Serb territory

Still waters run deep....? And who's to say that in a further couple of generations it wont blow up again? If one is not from the Balkans it is impossible to comprehend, and old scores create life-held scars.

Cliches apart, the Dayton Accord surely needs continuous ratification to keep the peace?
Crow
13 Sep 2015  #27

Albanian (Shiftar) hate on Poles is exceptional. Hate coming from the general Shiftar hate on Slavs and everything Slavic

Here are the few images from this years football match held in Albania (Shiftaria) between Polish Legia Warsaw and Albanian (Shiftar) Kukes.

Ondrej Duda, the Legia midfielder, was hit with an object thrown from the home stands just after Legia taken a 2-1 lead. Then, instead to react against provokers, Shiftar police moved against Polish fans, in order the make them quiet. It was 10 Shiftar policeman against 1 Legia Warshaw fan. Police then issued morbid brutality on Polish fans. One can hardly say who was more crule on Poles, Shiftar police or fans and even Kukes players.

Just two photos of that horror

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Ondrej Duda

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Albanian police clash with Legia supporters
Polonius3
14 Sep 2015  #28

hate on Slavs

Give two reasons why Albanians should love Serbs and other Slavs? I'll bet Ablanains could find many reasons why they don't. Every nation have got their bêtes noires, some nationality or ethnic group they dislike and/or make fun of. For you Serbs it's the Ałbanians whom you call "Shiftars" (never heard of that before you started using it). There is also no love lost between Slovaks and Hungarians. (A Slovak friend from uni days used to say: A typical Hungarian recipes starts with the words: first steal 10 eggs...) Also Romanians and Hungarians have been mutual rivals and foes. In the spirit of your football incident, every nation can find faults, blunders and gaffes their pet foes have actually or allegdly committed. Such is life.
Crow
19 Sep 2015  #29

Give two reasons why Albanians should love Serbs and other Slavs?

good question, even philosophically. Let me answer with few new questions.

How could Shiftars love Serbs and other Slavs when Shiftars were fist of Ottoman Turkish invasion onto Europe, Slavic world and Serbs? How could Shiftars love Serbs and other Slavs when everything what Serbs and other Slavs do to liberate, save themselves, to live decent lives coming in collision with Shiftar interests that perfectly overlap with interests of extreme Muslims, Anglos and Germanics, who all seek to profit on Slavic misery? How could Shiftars love Serbs and other Slavs when, Serbs and Slavs stays as obstacle to Shiftars plans for Greater Albania (Shiftaria), what is in any sense unacceptable to Serbs and Slavs for cultural, strategic and other reasons?

I'll bet Ablanains could find many reasons why they don't.

you mean Shiftars? my point

Every nation have got their bêtes noires, some nationality or ethnic group they dislike and/or make fun of. For you Serbs it's the Ałbanians whom you call "Shiftars" (never heard of that before you started using it).

This comment of yours is just proof that you enter in discussion about politics without being informed of elementary things.

Shiftars is how `Albanians` call themselves. Its Serbian version of it, in accordance with pronounce logic of Serbian language. Original Albanian is sort of `Shquitary and Shiptar` (after all, go google that). On the south of Serbia, i personally heard how Shiftars call themselves `Shiptar`.

Confusion was introduced by the western Europe in last 100 years that insit to label Shiftars as Albanians, what is problem to itself considering that is word `Alba` old Slavic word for `white` (Albania - Whiteland). It was land in deepest past populated with Slavs then came the Ottomans and Shiftars with them. So, in last 100 years, west of Europe doing maximal efforts to Europize Shiftars and even invent new Albanian nation from Shiftars that greatly assimilated local Slavs, especially in Malesia- region that in middle age still was officially Serbian (Slavic). But, its not enough. West of Europe and Islamic league helping to Shiftars to take Metohija and Kosovo and many other Slavic regions.

It is duty of all Slavs that of Shiftars speak as of Shiftars, after all, as they call themselves. Let`s not allow to west of Europe to modify Slavic history for the sake of their interests.
Harry
19 Sep 2015  #30

Shiftars is how `Albanians` call themselves.

As usual you are simply lying. In Albanian, "Shqiptar" means "Albanian." The words 'shiptar' and 'shiftar' are racist slurs used by Serbs. The fact that you are allowed to use racist slurs here is a disgrace but sadly very much to be expected at PF.

Include Poles and Poland into this discussion, everyone please

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