75 Years of Israel and the War

Israel's actions in the region have long been a disgrace. I'm not sure to what extent the developed world realises that? Ireland is one of the few countries who has always denounced Israel's actions and supported Palestine but it's very hard to get the EU on board in any meaningful way.

@Atch
It's such a mess...waiting for a bomb to come through your roof because of what another Palestinian did or some mad man shooting your children because the Israeli Army and colonisers routinely kill Palestinian children. What is also shocking is watching supposedly cultured people decending to racist tropes. I think it was M L King who said "Let no man pull you so low as to hate him."

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I dont mean that one side is as bad as the other cos clearly one side is hugely more powerful than the other. I remember that power doesnt equal right

Describe for us the last incident the Israeli Army set out to murder Palestinian children.

Start with the date and the place. Optionally, how many were murdered?

In the meantime, while we are waiting for Barney, Palestinians are pressing for statehood. A very noble idea except for the asterisks. One of them is an open border without that ugly wall. Second: the right to work in Israel. Third: unimpeded access to Israeli welfare for needy Palestinians. Fourth: Israel must supply electricity and water to Gaza.

That's all for now. Did I miss anything?
Oh, yeah, Israeli kids must be taught that Palestinian and Israeli average IQs are equal and that any differences in outcomes are Israel's fault.

Hamas also didn't ask anyone whether they support the Israeli occupation or not before butchering them.

The Allies also didn't ask the Germans which one of them voted for the Nazi government (and I'm sure you realise that there were many who didn't) before bombing them in Dresden, etc. And yet you wrote that German civillians had to be "contained". So I see hypocrisy in your attitude.

Hey, pawian, get it through your head that wars are not police actions. In wars, "nice" rules don't apply. There are no investigations, courtrooms, lawyers, and appeals. When a bullet meets the target, the target dies. Simple enough?

Israel's strict gun rules should be revised.
That concert near Gaza would end differently if all adults there were carrying ARs.
Unfortunately, it was a gun-free zone and Hamas didn't get the memo.

I suggest that while you're waiting, you educate yourself. Do you not realise how many Palestinian children have been killed by IDF? Not to mention literally thousands injured.

Yesterday, Gaza, much too many.
Does this answer satisfy you?

You do so tell me when did the IDF set out to murder P kids and how many did they execute? Place and date...


No. I am asking for the events that justified Hamas' recent response. In English, those would be called "past events"

Now you see Novi, the thing is that if one bothers to give you the details of how many were killed and when, you will dismiss them and say that there is no evidence that IDF deliberately set out to kill them, only that they were killed. Basically you're a tiresome, 80 year old 12 year old.

No, idiot. The difference between killing and murder is gigantic.

Your Western-style attempts at equivalence are deliberate and when caught you play stupid and resort to personal comments that have zero connection with the subject.

Israel did not ever tell the IDF: Go and murder some P kids. Hamas org told Hamas terrorists: Go and murder as many Israeli kids as you can and make it as gruesome as possible - ISIS-style decapitations included.

So I am still waiting for the date and place when the IDF murdered Palestinian kids on the orders of the Israeli government. Individual crimes don't count as policy so don't even bother.

How Hamas carried out attack that shocked the world: Gunman stormed kibbutz at dawn, shot and burned families alive as they begged for their lives - starting with grandmother, 90 - before 'beheading babies'

Nice. The best way to negotiate with these motherfu*ckers is with an AR-15 from 20 feet. You can't miss.
The problem: These roaches don't mind dying - or at least they say so - so I don't see any problem when the IDF delivers on this wish plus 72 virgins.

In the meantime, the dark side - or is it soiled underwear - of Western "democracies" with their "freedom of expression" is showing...

ANTI-Israeli chants and flag-waving could result in police action, the Home Secretary has warned.

That is punishable by a fine of up to £2,500.

Ms Braverman also urged cops to monitor online offending.

Modern-day Gestapo and KGB are doing well in the UK. No gulags since the island is too small and every inch is reserved for future refugees.

And how do you know that?


I never play at anything. I speak as I find. And stupid is not a word I would ever care to see applied to myself. I certainly don't go out of my way to appear disingenuous. If anybody here plays games, it is you. And saying that you're like an 80 year old 12 year old is not an insult. It's simply a statement of fact.

No decent person can be on the side of Hamas in this conflict. No decent person can support the slaughter of Israeli civilians and the indiscriminate killing of foreign nationals who had the bad luck to be on Israeli soil at the time. But every decent person should be able to see and understand what lead to this.

By the absence of evidence that they did.

Just imagine that would had been german SS troops in polish villages...beheading polish babies....raping and killing polish girls for being polish....what would you Poland have to do....show the other cheek?

Quite.

Even normally peace-loving Bratwurst Boy, is tossing back the popcorn as he watches "Israel flatten Gaza".

I suspect this is because of his particular views re: Middle Eastern migrants in Germany, and the incompatibility of Islam with Western values (as he sees it).

Even my perennial ally, Kania, is on the other side of the barricade.

Amazing how people will use their last breath to cheer Ukraine's resistance to Russian occupation, but not say a word about Palestinians fighting against Israeli occupation.

This is all Israel and Egypt's fault.

1) The original sin lies with the Israelis, who thought they were very clever in covertly supporting Hamas in the early days. They hoped their divide and conquer strategy would yield a more malleable Palestinian Authority. Worked out about as well as the Americans finding Bin Laden, in the early days.

2) The Egyptians are wary of Hamas, because it is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, to whom ousted president Mohammad Morsi belonged to.

3) The Egyptians maintain their side of the blockade, because they feel that as the occupying force, Israel is legally responsible for the welfare of Gazans. It also doesn't want to help Israel, by opening up a release valve that would effectively depopulate Gaza.

4) Basically, for twenty years these two have been starving Gaza (the blockade extends to things like concrete, boat motors, glass, etc), in the hope that the Gazans will eject Hamas.

5) The problem is, that twenty years later, Hamas IS FACING POLITICAL CHALLENGES. But not where it's blamed for the dismal state of affairs, but for not being radical enough. How about that - ladies and gentlemen?

Also, good job George Bush Jr. It was his bright idea to organize democratic elections in Gaza. When Hamas won them in a landslide, however, he wasn't there to deal with the consequences.

@Bratwurst Boy
The question was when was the last time the Israeli army killed Palestinian children. The answer was right.
Let's leave SS out of this.

The monumental difference between us, whites, and Muslim scum is that we want to live.

The rules of war are based on this concept and both the Germans and the Americans included it in planning during WW2. Muslim scum is different. To them, death is glorious and the common rules of humanity don't apply.

Even the German top recognized that the average soldier can take only so my stress. That is why they delegated the task of executing Jews in the Baltics to the locals.

Germans were never told they would get a Mercedes and a villa in Switzerland after death from the exhaustion of exterminating Jews and Soviet POWs.

Why??? That comparison shows western hypocrisy so greatly!

Your demands from Israel to just lay back and take it is founded in age old antisemitism and secret cheering on for these islamist killers...that's all there is!

Hamas knows that and is playing you like a fiddle....shame!

But the only one to blame for every dead arab is Hamas, the same way as the Nazis only were to blame for every dead german...they startet it!

You are very wrong. They were to get "Lebensraum" in the east. Many got it, even if only for a short time.

"Lebensraum" and annihilated subhumans....

Hamas love the Nazis....they miss the Third Reich!

That unity makes the job of the IDF easier - if not legally, then at least psychologically.

Shooting a woman preparing a grenade is easier than the one who is preparing dinner.

Maybe you are thinking about some Japanese?

Excerpt from the Hagakure:

The Way of the Samurai is found in death. When it comes to either/or, there is only the quick choice of death. It is not particularly difficult. Be determined and advance. To say that dying without reaching one's aim is to die a dog's death is the frivolous way of sophisticates. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is not necessary to gain one's aim.

We all want to live. And in large part we make our logic according to what we like. But not having attained our aim and continuing to live is cowardice. This is a thin dangerous line. To die without gaining one's aim is a dog's death and fanaticism. But there is no shame in this. This is the substance of the Way of the Samurai. If by setting one's heart right every morning and evening, one is able to live as though his body were already dead, he gains freedom in the Way. His whole life will be without blame, and he will succeed in his calling.

Arabs, in my experience, are big softies. Really enjoying comfort and the finer things in life.

If you're looking for Muslims that eat nails and breathe fire, that's probably still the Chechens and Afghans.

That was an answer to a question I didn't ask, The question had "murdered" in it. Look it up if you don't know the difference.

@Bratwurst Boy
You probably don't watch German TV. I've been watching ntv for a few days now. Criticism of retaliatory actions is obvious, and this is true in Germany, where one can only speak well of Israel.

When facing the IDF. See 1967 and 1973. 100 million of them could not win with a tiny Israel.
I do admit that they are very brave with the civilians who are kneeling and waiting to have their throats slashed.

Oh please....our german lefties are the worst.....they love to criticize Israel for defending itself, always have....that's why in Berlin these muslim nutters dare to dance on our streets (Sonnenallee)...that's why so many of them are here in the first place!

Enough!

Yes. Meanwhile less than a million Chechens have kept Russia busy for nearly 200 years now. The Afghans have broken the back of first the British Empire, then the Soviet Union, and finally America.

Arabs might have been good at war, once upon a time. But it was 1,300 years ago.

Since then, they've been receiving it in every orifice, from every comer. The Crusaders, the Mongols, the Turks, the Mamelukes, the French, the British, the Jews, etc.

Isn't killing a child with a bomb dropped on his house murder?