1st Amendment defense Act propose in USA

This is deliberately being posted in off-topic so someone doesn't crawl out of the woodwork and say it does say it is not about Poland. This is a universal meesage echoing the sentiemtns JP2; Pope Francis and many enlightened Europeans who feel Europe has gone astray by rejecting her fundametnal roots.

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arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2016/03/protect-religious-liberty.html

The separation of state and church is there for a reason. Nobody is telling you what to believe in as long as you keep religion out of public schools, court rooms and other institutions. The imaginary attack on faith is only happening in the mind of some bible thumpers from the South, Polonius.

Spot on. A certain type of individual loves to pretend they're persecuted; it's all they can think I order to justify their paranoia.

Sounds like the LGBTQ mafia! Except that they are today's PC-protected sacred cows, while its open season on Christians.

Christians will be wiped out from the middle east within ten years.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3311716/Christians-face-wiped-Middle-East-TEN-YEARS-killed-ISIS-forced-flee-persecution-warn-Catholic-aid-groups.html

There are those in the that hope to bring the same upon us in the west.

The attacks on us are not imaginary.

We only want peace and to be able to follow our faith.

Sounds more like those threads about the Holocaust and how Poland should be paying reparations.

Perhaps to you, but that whole post of yours proved my point perfectly...

As did the others :-)))

The estimated 100,000 Christians killed each year simply because of their faith are also imaginary?

Do you never do basic fact checking, Polonius?

bbc.com/news/magazine-24864587

Does anyone know exacrtly how many died in the Holocaust or Wołyń massacre or Warsaw Uprising? Whatever the exact number of Christian victims, they are being killed for their faith in large numbers. Not only by Muslims but also by Hindus. In some places like Iraq they are given the choice of converting to Islam, paying a fine or leaving. Is all that imaginary?

In what way would indulging conservatives from the southern states in their desire to destroy the 200 year-old separation of church and state affect that?

That buzz-word eagerly repated by today's Chuch-bashers and militant atheists was taken from a speech by Thomas Jefferson, not the US constitution. The Founding fathers prohibited the creation of a state relgion as existed in England and other countreis and opposed any religious test as qualification for holding public office and it ended there. The fact there is "In God we trust" on every American coin and banknote and that school children daily pledge allegiance to the flag and "one nation under God" ttests to amicable attiude towards religious belief with none of the violent anti-clericlaism encountered France and Mexico.

The US Constitution does not ban nativity plays nor carol singing nor inviting a clergyman to give the benediction at graduation ceremonies, nor does it force Obama to light the "holiday tree"

It was only after godless fanatics began overinterpreting the 1st amendment and invoking Jefferson's unofifcial remarks about the alleged "separation of Church and state" that religious conflicts ensued and continue to afflict Ameirca to this day.

Yet, Po, your hope of turning America into a theocracy is something that goes against deeply held values. The separation of church and state in America is something dear to so many and something that most there do not want to change.

No-one is advocating theocracy, but those constantly heating up religious conflicts are sowing unrest and harming society as a whole. America was not a theocracy when carols were sung in town squares and schools staged nativity plays. Is "In God we trust" theocratic? Only to atheist fanatics and trouble-makers who refuse to live and let live. Nobody is herding them to chruch at gunpoint nor forcing them to celebrate Christmas. So why do they constatnmly interfere with other people's lives?

What "constantly heating up religious conflicts"??? Minor local stuff that nobody except those involved would have heard about or care about unless the internet or tabloid tv hadn't spewed it at them. By and large America has a peaceful if rather impassioned relationship between religion and laicism within a healthy democratic society. Why bring trouble to that? A society which on the whole is very happy with the status quo and not searching for any more conflict than they already have.

So no need for aggressive and antagonistic proposals for changes that would obviously be vigorously opposed.

One would presume it's because they have completely mis-read the teachings of the gay Jew they claim is their Lord, i.e. Jesus Christ.

Another myth, Polonius?

snopes.com/politics/christmas/ornaments.asp

Are you saying that nativity plays and public carolling are not as widespread in America as they once were becuase people have stopped liking them? Or maybe it's becuase a very small but vociferous and heavily bankrolkled minority of atheist fanatics are using have launched media campaigns and are resorting to legal blackmail to intimidate school administrators and municipal officials into banning traditonal Christmas celebrations to avoid furtehr harassment and hassle.

An overwmeling majority of Americans believe a Chrsitmas tree is a coniferous tree that is either plastic or real which people decorate for Christmas. But the people who sell them call them holiday trees instead of Christmas trees, because they didnt want to offend anyone, except people who celebreate Christmas. So it won't offend anyone who doesnt celebrate Christmas even though it offends everyone who does. Whoever came up with this idea of calling it a holiday tree should get a punch in the face and a CHRISTMAS TREE UP THE ARSE!

That's a sad comment on the lack of bible reading in your country.

Bible reading was not the subject of anything I posted. Are you an avid Bible reader? Maybe a crypto-JW?!

No, but I have read the bit about not cutting trees from the forest and then decorating them with gold and silver and fastening them so they do not fall over but instead remain upright. Clearly the vast majority of people in your country haven't read that bit of the bible, given that they associate doing something their holy book tells them not to do with what's supposed to be one of their main religious festivals.

Opposed only by a tiny minrotiy of atheistic whackos. Never forget that homos, atheists, vegans, JWs and others holding extreme views represent only a tiny minority which should not try to impose their alien standards and values on the majority of people. They are free prusue their eccentricites in their own i nner circles but as regards the outside world they should LIVE AND LET LIVE.

We were talking about the US, Polonius.

I as referring to the world-wide Chrsitian death toll. In the US it is mostly verbal insults and attempts to humiliate Christians as well as various behind-the-scenes machinations to quashing religious beliefs and practices. People should be free to practise their relgion and not have to go undergroud in their own country, especially one calling itself "one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for call."


Like the Snopes debunkers, this poster seems to have read all the provocative titbits in the Bible that can be used to debunk religion.They can always be called up to take the p*ss out of someone's heartfelt belies. What a ncie guy!

What's provocative about instructing followers to not be like the heathens who go cutting trees from the forest and then decorating them with gold and silver and fastening them so they do not fall over but instead remain upright? The ban on Christmas trees should be part of your religion, but it isn't: because religions change so as to survive. Perhaps you should try changing, you might even manage to stop hating your life so much.

That is about as obscure a passage as one can find in the Bible. Must be from the Old Testament because I know the New Testament fairly well. The Old Testament has lots of things for superstitious Jews like not eating prawns, pigs and critters witth uncloven hooves or something like that. BTW ever read any Talmudic teaching. Among other things it describes Gentiles as created by God as little more than beasts of burden to serve Jews. the chosen race (Herrenvolk).

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If you did know the New testament at all, you'd know that Jesus said that the old testament was the word of God and indestructible. When you dismiss it you dismiss the commandments of the one who is supposedly your Lord and saviour. Now go read Matthew 5.

Christ did not disavow the Old Testament en toto. But he purged it of Jewish superstitions like dietary laws and obsessive Sabbath focus, vengeance ( a tooth for a tooth), violent reprisals (stoning unchaste women, etc.) and excessive attachment to regulations. The Old Testament called for following the letter of the law, whilst Christ's reform promoted the true spirit of the law and created a religion of mercy.

(And please, no cheap shots like the Inquisition and Crusades! We are discussing what Christ introduced, not what people defomed in later centuries. I make that proviso because some posters are known for their cheap shots and reductio ad absurdam.)

Oh dear, clearly you didn't read what I told you to. Allow me to quote Jesus' own words from Matthew 5 "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished."

But perhaps that isn't clear enough for you? Here's a quote from Jesus in John 10: "The Scripture cannot be broken".
Still not clear? OK, back to Matthew for chapter 15 where Jesus says the Scripture is "the commandment of God".
And one last bit to make it crystal clear, Matthew 5 again, where Jesus says ""Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill".

Perhaps instead of ranting about the ungodliness of other people you would do well to read the words of your supposed Lord and saviour.

All depends how one interprets "fulfil". Jesus modified Mosaic law in a very subtle manner. He did not say: "Do not stone prostitutes!" Instead he said. "He who is without sin should cast the first stone." He did not do away with the Sabbath, but used a parable to show that in an emergency physical exertion is permissible on the Sabbath. The observant Jews obsessively* refused to even even light their lamps on the Saturdays and paid a Shabassengoy to come in and do it. Ultimately, through the Resurrection, the Saturday Sabbath was replaced by Sunday which henceforth became the Lord's day. The Pharisees obsessively observed the letter of the law but lacked love and understanding for their fellow-man. They were elitists (like KOD) who looked down on the common people, whereas Jesus embraced the poor, infirm and abandoned and avoided the rich nad mighty. Christ empahsised love even calling on his followers to love even their enemies.

*Maybe that's where certain posters get their obsessiveness from?