Do any Brits resent excessive US influence?

Wives tale.
I guess you have never visited the top micro brewery's in the U.S A.
Definitely put any English beer to shame.

Haha, next you'll be telling me your jasmine flavoured IPA with hints of lemon grass is what beer is all about

Hipster

As with coffee, you have absolutely no idea

Johnny, my point is that the USA has about five times the population of the UK and Ireland, so comparing them would not be comparing like with like. The UK and Ireland have about 70 m people, about the same as, say, California and Texas combined. My challenge was to produce a list of the achievements of one state, but you could combine a few if you like. Until the latter part of the 19th century the USA was seen as a primitive country, and although the 20th century was undoubtedly the American Century, in the longer perspective the USA has a lot of catching up to do. The UK has been punching far above its weight for a thousand years, and when the USA finally disintegrates into north and south, its influence will wane.

Oh, I see.
Rome was built in a day.
You want to compare infrastructure and government of a long time existing country with a brand new primitive one just starting out from scratch.


It caught up and surpassed Britain in less than 150 years which is a phenomenal feat.
America has even won all their wars against the British which no doubt is another huge British resentment.
And back in 1776 when America became a nation with just 13 States it's population was one third of England's not including Wales or Ireland.


Compared to who?
Britain will disintegrate when Sharia Law takes over in the next generation.
I would love no more then to sit in your Polish classroom to correct your frivolous brainwashing.

oh UK/US it's all the same eventually...:)

If you knew anything about Poland, you'd know that it is a) not allowed to propogate political ideas in the classroom, b) that professional teachers wouldn't do such a thing anyway, and c) that young Polish adults are more than capable of forming their own opinions. I could add that I'd like nothing more than having you as a guest in my classroom. It would be absolutely effing hilarious to see you tell my students how Poland should be. Bring Polonius along. It'll be fun. Seriously, you are more than welcome.

In regard to the OP question.
What it has to do with Poland?
If that is another thread in a long serial of the war between Americans and Brits on PF? Time to stop it.


You would be surprised.

Ironside, I live in Poland. I work here. Damn hard, I might add. I speak to, and listen to, over 300 students every week, as well as other Poles in my everyday life. How about you? What do you know about Polish reality in 2015?

Here we go again with Rogers kindergarten insinuations to create a lie.


I have never done this before as it is of no concern to me.
In fact I do believe it's you Brit expats that howl about the Polish governments elections. lol
Your mind always invents things to put untrue words in others mouths for others to defend that are unwinnable.
I just happen to be one that doesn't take your childish bait.
You, Harry, and delph (all English) are famous for that junior high school tactic. So shallow.


Thank the good Lord teachers in Poland can't propagate political ideas because you guys wouldn't have any front teeth.

See, in Poland, we tend to discuss things rationally rather than resort to primitive trailer park violence.

That's why we don't worry about US influence, because we know that we're far superior intellectually and morally.

Hmm you speak to few students in controlled environment where you focus on issues other than them expressing freely they thought. Those few people you communicate outside your work make no much of a difference, even if you are proficient in Polish. Which I doubt.

To understand people to feel their pulse so to speak to grasp their moods and ways they react you need much more than merely interact with students on a daily biases.


That quite irrelevant here I might add.


I could say following your suit - more than you. I say only that I seem to know better than you as you see what you want to see and hear only those views that conform with your views. I'm not saying that there no people in Poland who you take your clue from but I can certainly say that their are not forming majority and there are many that would agree with johnny on many issues.

It is such fun to pontificate about that which one knows nothing

Even if one accepted that thesis (which in most cases I tend to do), the fact remains that at present and for the past half a century or more it is commerpop (cheap, tacky, shallow, commercially driven popular culture) that rules the roost. Some form of entertainment has existed since time immemorial but never has it dominated people's lvies the way commerpop does. It influences how people think, act and interact with others, how they dress and speak, what they like and dislike, what they eat and drink and in general their overall view of life. Naturally, intellectual circles tend to be critical of ubiquitously invasive popculture, but to the overwhelming majority it is equated with the very essence of life itself. And the US is the popculture captial of the world. Even locally generated manifestations thereof ("Big Brother" for instance came from Holland!) mostly bear the unmistakable "Commerpop Made in/inspired by USA" label. In terms of people's everyday lives the commerpop channel of Americanisation (not who owns which bank or corproation!) poses the greatest threat to any country's cultural sovereignty, awareness and identity.

Violence is never far from your tiny mind, is it?


How do you know what we talk about? Is 300 really such a small number?


AsI said, I live a normal life here in Poland, and interact with people other than students.


Rubbish. I can't help but be exposed to other views.

Here's something I wasn't going to say, but it illustrates a point.
About a year ago a colleague asked me to grade a student's essay on politics. My colleague, with whom I have had a very good working relationship for many years, said that she felt unable to objectively mark the paper as her political views, hitherto unknown to me, were very close to those of the student. I read the paper and learned that the student's views were fairly extreme libertarian, of the Korwin-Mikke type. What that student believed was diametrically opposite to how I see the world. However, it was an excellently written thesis, and I gave it a grade of five, which, as you may know, is the highest possible grade. Please do not assume you know me, my methods, or my politics. You don't.

Gentlemen, Gentlemen please, enough of this sibling squabble!

We are brother and sister together, sharing much more than just cultural heritage and a language. Why must we fight amongst each other like this?

Is it not time that we joined together in protest against the global tyranny our countries are forcing on our world?

Is this not our responsibility as citizens of the Greatest countries on earth - the Greatest the world has ever know?

Why do we squabble amongst ourselves like children when there is so much more we could dedicate our energies too?

Aw come on now.
Someone has to taunt the pompous stiff lipped pretentious Brit's to knock them off their high horse with humor.

I know because there is certain logic when you are a lecturer and unless you are teaching political science you don't have time to debate philosophical views in any depth.


If you are talking about population of about 15 millions I think it is a very small sample of that number to generalize about views of said population nor to form any definite conclusion.


Yet you said and I quote that johnny or Polonius3 views are not shared by your student end of quote suggesting their views would be mocked.

I don't think you have even data or understanding of Poles young or old to make such assumptions.


You can be exposed to other views but your post here suggest that you are not very attentive or diligent enough to form accurate overview about prevalent tendencies in the younger generation of Poles.

I can judge you only by the merit of your posts here.


Such a views are pretty prevalent among a certain type of students in Poland nowadays. The second largest group align along a lines of the "national thought".

Nevertheless that one piece of info you volunteered belie your claim that johnny would be mocked by them as they share his view as to guns for example.


As I said I con only judge you by the merit of your post so you have only yourself to blame if you are misjudged or misunderstood on this forum. Don't shift responsibility for that on me. After all you are making the same assumption as you don't know a real person behind posts here, you can only go by a merit of their posts.

Ironside, what a remarkable person you are. You know my life better than I do. There's obviously no point in arguing with you about this as you have decided that you know what my students think and I know nothing. So you can have the last word, should you wish to.

Ha, now we are making some headway here.
Ironside you are a remarkable person to be able to work such magic to be granted the last word to a Brit Bully.
Would you please use your magic on two more of them to shut them up also so we can start the new year out without their insults.

And all the members of the PF said, AMEN !

There are probably only two places that I would want to to live at this time in my life and those two countries are Poland and Texas (I know Texas is not a country but it is different to the rest of the USA ) strangely some of my countrymen(Brits) , who I worked with found it hard to live and work with Texans, I found that the issues were there same as when the British are in Poland, usually Religion (lack of) Politics (Liberal left) and a general unwillingness to accept the status-quo. I think in general British people resent having to comply with host nations where they are working or living, the same happens when they are in Spain and France , little communes pop up with British bars and fish and chips. I notice that Krakow is going the way of Benidorm.

"We"? Oh, you mean the Americans on PF. How interesting that would be. Some of "us" believe that a diversity of views is preferable to just one view.


No, Johnny, you do not speak for anyone but yourself. I think you need to realise that.
You really shouldn't clip people's text so as to make it appear that they said something they didn't. That's dishonest. I know more about Poland than you ever will.

that is not what I said and you know it.


If you have nothing else to say beside an immature dig at me by all means be my quest.


Maybe, but it is beside the point isn't it? After all you are talking about your own personal view about Poland. You are not presenting any significant inside info into diverse opinions and views that are prevalent among Polish population in Poland.

In fact more oft than not you are tailoring facts to suit your own particular views and ideology.
I wouldn't bother to contradict you if you were not posting such a junior high school level "arguments" in lieu of actual facts.

One example the PC and progressiveness can be well overrepresented in the Polish/German owned media but it doesn't mean that majority of Poles bow to those concepts and agrees with those tendencies.

Another issue you haven't overlooked in my opinion is a fact that some people in Poland take into consideration that you are a foreigner and consequently they moderate what they express or communicate to you in order not to offend you.

No, I mean all the rest of the members on the PF who are not British.
Everyone else seems to get along except for the British who just can't seem to get along with anyone but themselves.
That is really no secret now is it.


"Us" ? You mean you Brit Bullies ?
I speak what many on this form agree with and not just Americans. I think you need to realize that.


Sh!t Roger, I learned it from you Brits.
I know, I know, you know more about Poland, you are smarter, you teach 300 students, you are better, you are an atheist, you eat quail, you drive a jaguar, you drink fancy wine, you are of the upper crust, you teach at a university, you write checks with your mouth that you can't cash with your a$$, you have a black dog, your farts smell like roses, you are a genius, you are a workaholic, you are an expat that comes from the most powerful country in the world, you are just superior in all ways. (in your mind)

Ya Roger, you just pretend to be one hell of a guy don't you. We don't even have to ask.
NEWS FLASH..........your living in denial Roger. You are only fooling yourself.
You are a NARCISIS KNOW IT ALL is what you are.
Go Bully someone else and leave me alone before I tell you off.

Hey johnny I see that the PF attack dogs are back on your heels, hope you had a nice Christmas.

Now now. There's only one acceptable view of the world on here, and it's the one in which being backwards and stupid is a valued trait. Just like in 1950's Poland, in fact.

Oh, and Johnny? Thank you for showing everyone why we don't resent Americans in the slightest. It would be hard to be jealous of such stupidity.

" being backwards and stupid is a valued trait. Just like in 1950's Poland" Delph are you being nasty or ironic?

It's a reference to how Johnny thinks that there should only be one narrative on PF, and how his view of PF is entirely like the PZPR view of things back then. Being simple, closed minded and incredibly boorish was seen as a trait then by the powers that be.

Johnny could do well to research the Polish concept of savoir vivre, as it might help him when he feels the need to discuss guns and violence. It's certainly why we don't feel particularly affected by American influence, as America is that funny country across the pond where they do funny things.

Mind you, I know a few Texans and none of them behave like Johnny. One of them even passionately believes in the right to bear arms, but he also understands that with great power comes great responsibility - he doesn't talk about guns in polite company, for instance.

Delph I kind of get where you are coming from "closed minded and incredibly boorish" but as a race we poles stick to what we know and we value our own , you have probably noticed this trait in the time you have spent in Poland, we pull together and stick with those who have the same common upbringing religion and history. being Polish is not about a passport or being in Poland , many of us were torn from Poland due to war or economic circumstances , I can walk into any diaspora household be it johnny or pol3 and we would fit together hand in glove, this for me is very special, more so since I have been able to come home.

I would say it's rather the opposite - Polish society is horribly fragmented. For instance, it's quite common for people that were brought up in villages to become corporate drones that try and do everything to deny that they came from some toilet in Dolnoslaskie for instance. You see a lot of it in Wrocław - they have no real minds of their own, but they adopt everything that is contrary to the village simply to stress that they're not from there - even though their behaviour immediately marks them as being from the village.


You know, I notice a world of difference between some of the diaspora and others. The nasty, violent, racist ideology that Polonius and Johnny promote has nothing in common with the post-war UK Polonia or the current Polonia in Ukraine for instance.

I wonder how you can distinguish between facts and wishful thinking, Iron. How long have you been away from Poland now? Ten years or more? Personally, it wouldn't even cross my mind to tell someone what's going on in Australia for example, since I haven't lived there for decades. Honest question.