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johnny reb
5 Jun 2020  #31

Like you said before Joker........"Play a stupid game, you get a stupid prize."
Tonight on the news another video of cops pushing a 75 year old harmless White man to the ground where he smashed his head on the cement causing blood to pour out of his ear.

The old codger is in critical condition.
Both cops who pushed him down were fired.
Just wait for the huge march in protest on the White House tomorrow.

AntV
5 Jun 2020  #32

I never said it did.

Never thought you did. But, my post makes it seem like i thought you did. My apologies.

They have first, second and third degree homicide over there...

Chauvin is being prosecuted under Minnesota criminal law. In the US, states individually legislate their own criminal law (there is also federal criminal law that deals with federal law). Chauvin is being prosecuted under Minnesota law. Murder in First Degree in every state just show intent and premeditation. Second Degree is typically intent without premeditation. Not every state has 3rd. Third seems to be more in line with manslaughter, no intent but actions was grossly negligent that cause loss of life.

a 75 year old harmless White man to the ground...smashed his head

I'm hoping you're being sarcastic. That guy instigated it. He was smacking the cops arm. He was told to move. He didn't. He got pushed. It's BS these cops were fired.

johnny reb
6 Jun 2020  #33

He was smacking the cops arm.

That 'threat' to the cop was reason to put the old man in the hospital in critical condition ?
Don't you think a shot of mace in the old farts face would have been just as effective to move him out of the way ?

Another huge lawsuit on the horizon.

I want to ask the Protesters, "oh you're rioting and looting for George ?"
Floyd or Soros ?
There lies the question.

AntV
6 Jun 2020  #34

That 'threat' to the cop was reason to put the old man in the hospital in critical condition ?

That's Monday morning quarterbacking, JR. At the moment all the cops knew is this guy came up on them, started swatting at them, and wouldn't back away. The cops had no idea what his intentions were or if he was armed. It's sad as hell that the guy is in critical condition.

Don't you think a shot of mace in the...face would have been just as effective to move him out of the way ?

He was too close, if they pepper sprayed him guess who else would have received nice dose of the stuff? The cops.

Crow
6 Jun 2020  #35

As venerable Trump said, its a beautiful day for America to become more equal for all its citizens. Beautiful day for George to look at this from above.

If half what I read on subject is true, America do have few serious internal problems.

Ziemowit
6 Jun 2020  #36

But the anger that has broken out in the US is certainly something more than just anger caused by a murder of a black man by police. Certainly, this crime wasn't an incident or accident, but an action motivated by the racial hatred of that cop towards the black race as a whole. Also, I saw a list of white offenders (police and other guards) who were killing black people for no reason or under a trivial pretext and then walking free out of the courts.

Comments of Donald Trump immediately after the outbreak of riots were highly infortunate. The big man in the White House has apparently lost his political instinct as to what he shouldn't say in those aggreviated cicumstances.

Chemikiem
6 Jun 2020  #37

it's hard to understand how certain tactics are legit, but they may be completely legit.

I really can't imagine that it would say anywhere within the police code of practice that it's acceptable to use kneeling on someone's neck as a form of restraint. Far too dangerous given that compessing the carotid artey will cut off the blood supply to the brain. Besides which, he was cooperating with the police and not resisting arrest. Those cops were not in fear of their lives.

He has an extensive criminal record as well.

So he might not have been a pillar of society but he certainly didn't deserve to die in the manner that he did.

the anger that has broken out in the US is more than just anger caused by a murder of a black man by police.

It keeps on happening and that is part of the problem. There is a huge racial divide that needs to be addressed in the US, and until that happens, nothing is going to change. Trump is not exactly helping matters with his approach either.

johnny reb
6 Jun 2020  #38

At the moment all the cops knew is this guy came up on them

Perhaps someone would kind enough to post the video's of the incidents that we are talking about so everyone can draw their own collusion to what really happened.

He was too close, if they pepper sprayed him

And isn't that what they all carry tazers for ?
There were twenty cops in riot gear against one old man in the video.
Why didn't one or two of them just grab him and handcuff him ?
P poor training or are they just bullies or both ?

It's sad as hell that the guy is in critical condition.

Even if he dies his family will be awarded millions in the lawsuit against the city's insurance policy.
What it is going to come down to is that all the police in the country will call in sick for a week and let the bleeding heart Liberals do their own policing.

And if that happens the guns will come out on the streets and people will be begging for the police to come back to work.

Joker
6 Jun 2020  #39

So he might not have been a pillar of society but he certainly didn't deserve to die in the manner that he did.

Again, I never said he did! You and milo show me where I said it or stop putting words in my mouth!

There is a huge racial divide that needs to be addressed in the US,

ReallY? Oh do tell us? How would the superior British solve the problem?????

e begging for the police to come back to work.

Let them abolish the police and see how long it lasts....I give it around 10 mins!

Chemikiem
6 Jun 2020  #40

I never said he did!

I didn't say that you did! I'm not sure why you felt his criminal history was relevant to his death though. Milo obviously thought the same. I meant no offence by it.

ReallY? Oh do tell us? How would the superior British solve the problem?????

Why are you on the attack? There are huge racial problems in the US, that is fact and you know that.

Joker
6 Jun 2020  #41

I'm not sure why you felt his criminal history was relevant to his death though.

Im just saying the streets are much safer with this multiple convicted felon, armed burglar, cocaine addict, is not around to commit anymore crimes...that all.

He would have done it again, his record has already proved this...

There are huge racial problems in the US, that is fact and you know that.

Who asked the limeys to get involved? I would worry about your huge problems instead of ours..Oh wait, the brits just close their eyes and pretend Londionstan doesnt exist! LOLOL

johnny reb
6 Jun 2020  #42

There is a huge racial divide that needs to be addressed in the US

Pam we have thrown Billions upon Billions at the problem to no avail.
We build them state of the art housing projects to live in which they destroy within two years, we lower their test scores so they can get into universities that they still flunk out of, we give them every welfare program available to get them on their feet to get started in life that they expect to last them their entire life, we give them Black America Day yet we don't have a White America Day.

See Pam, they think different with different priorities then the White man.
They are all about bling bling and basketball. They dress to impress even if they have to starve and steal to do it.
They see their brothers making easy money and ten times the money selling drugs then flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Jail to these people is their second home where their second family lives.
Not all of them but that is the general consensus of their mentality.
Now, you tell us how you deal with people that sit on their front Porch all day smoking weed and drinking 40 ouncers waiting for the lottery numbers of the day to be announced and the mail to show up with one of many welfare checks.

It is a culture that just doesn't fit into hard working American society.
We can't help them Pam, they resent successful White people so the answer is the Black people have to help their own to solve the problem.

The Black people have to stop the drug dealing and shootings in the hood because that is where they live.
They can't expect the White cops to clean their mess up for them.
Until the Blacks want to start helping themselves there is no hope.
You can lead a horse to water but.....................

Joker
6 Jun 2020  #43

Spot on, Johnny!

Perhaps, the Euros will get it thru their thick heads now. It would be nice if they would stop telling us how to run our country, which theyre clueless.

johnny reb
6 Jun 2020  #44

They are just jealous to see America thriving while they're economy continues to drop.
They are always to point out our faults but never point out our superiority and success.
Europe seems to be a very depressing place to spend your life.
Damn it's great to be an American with all of our freedoms that other countries don't have.

Miloslaw
6 Jun 2020  #45

Again, I never said he did

You didnt.When I said "it seems a bit harsh" I was refering to his death for a petty crime,not to your coment.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Jun 2020  #46

They are just jealous

Serious question here...do you really think you live in the best country on Earth? Just now???

Ironside
6 Jun 2020  #47

All that Neo-Marxist red scum and lots of spoiled American morons, Just arrest them all. There is a difference between demonstration and revolt of a rabble.

johnny reb
6 Jun 2020  #48

All that Neo-Marxist red scum

That's exactly what I meant when I posted in post #33 above.

There is a difference between demonstration and revolt of a rabble.

Instead of working to focus on paying off their student loans the spoiled kids have to much free time on their hands living in their parents basements.

AntV
6 Jun 2020  #49

Certainly, this crime [was] motivated by the racial hatred of that cop towards the black race as a whole

How can we be certain or even reasonably confident at this point that Chauvin acted out of racial hatred or bias? Is it possible he could've done what he did for some other reason? It seems like most folks think it's impossible. This scares the hell out of me, because that means justice is defined by perception and not fact. In other words, we operate in a world where lies can be deemed truth as long as enough people can be persuaded that the lie is truth. This is what Benedict XVI defined as the tyranny of relativism.

it's acceptable to use kneeling on someone's neck as a form of restraint.

But, then again when we clock in everyday to work, our jobs hold almost no probability that we'll need to restrain someone. So, yes, it is hard to imagine. But, if you are in an environment where the probability of restraining someone is pretty decent, it may not be hard at all to imagine it. It probably would be unimaginable that such a technique wouldn't be acceptable. Don't get me wrong, from what we know and have seen, this MN cop was, at least, negligent and showed a wanton disregard for Floyd's life--8 minutes on the neck is hard to justify.

There are huge racial problems in the US, that is fact and you know that

True, but the question is why? Are these problems based in fact or manufactured lies?

The perception is that cops are racists. That whites are either racists or complicity racists? I am being told I'm complicity racist because I don't speak out against the brutality cops inflict upon blacks because of the racist condition of cops or the systemic racism of American society that denies equal opportunity to blacks. But, i don't speak out against it because I don't see the veracity of the perception that blacks are preyed upon by police or that blacks are denied opportunity. In fact, I see the opposite.

As JR in his crude inelegance :) pointed out, untold Billions of dollars have been spent to ensure blacks have equal opportunities. Some have taken advantage of these opportunities, others haven't. Others have to said to hell with taking advantage of a program and, instead, have worked their asses off to succeed.

Something else to consider when this perception of lack of opportunity is bandied about: of the estimated $14 trillion of purchasing power in America, $1.5 trillion is held by blacks. 11% of the purchasing power in America is held by 13% of the population; in other words, blacks hold a concomitant percentage of purchasing power in relationship to its population. Now, this may not be a perfect marker of equal distribution, but it does suggest significant economic opportunities have been taken advantage of by the black population. In other words, there isn't a sign of lack of opportunity.

This notion that cops prey on blacks is categorically and empirically false.

Percentage by race killed by cops since 2015:

Whites - 50.5%
Blacks - 26.4%
Hispanic - 18.5%
Other - 4.5%

washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

When half of those killed by cops are white, you'd think that that fact alone would disprove the myth that cops prey on blacks. But, what you'll hear is, but blacks are disproportionately killed when you consider that blacks make up 13% of the population. But, if you are to measure these stats per total population, you'd have to assume that all people, regardless of race are dangerous criminals. The best way to measure these stats is per violent crime.

In America percentage of violent crimes by race:

Whites - 43.3%
Blacks - 37.5%
Hispanics - 15.2%
Other - 4%

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

The above stats are reality. What most people perceive is not congruent with the above reality, but a manufactured perception of untruth.

The problem in America isn't race, but:

All that Neo-Marxist red scum and lots of spoiled American morons


Joker
6 Jun 2020  #50

even reasonably confident at this point that Chauvin acted out of racial hatred or bias?

In light of new information that Derek Chauvin was a co-worker of George Floyd's at a nightclub and may have personally known the man he killed

aol.com/family-attorney-says-derek-chauvin-233711160.html

Maybe it was a bad drug deal instead?

Joker
6 Jun 2020  #51

These sources should be checked out. aol, com reports might be as credible as HuffPo...

Im sure all the violence at the protests are over now, since Trump declared ANTIFA a tererorist group. They have gone totally silent, probably went into hiding..... The FBI is looking for them now, shouldn't take very long before the first arrests come:)

Crow
6 Jun 2020  #52

But the anger that has broken out in the US is certainly something more

Venerable Trump got hot potato when he got his office. US is full of problems and for most of them are Democrats to be blamed.

AntV
6 Jun 2020  #53

US is full of problems and for most of them are Democrats to be blamed.

Well, I'd say globalist/neo-Marxists plus white guilt (when it comes to the race farce) are to blame, which includes enough Republicans to make you not want to trust a pol just because he as a "R" after his name.

These sources should be checked out.

They should, but i'd be very careful to slap a murder 1 charge even if it's found out Chauvin had a beef with Floyd. Murder 1 in this case is a very steep hill to climb. He could be found guilty on a murder 2 charge but not guilty on murder 1, and all people are going to hear is that "not guilty" verdict.

.do you really think you live in the best country on Earth? Just now???

I do. As effed up as we are--and we are royally effed up--still take our situation over any other. We still have enough reasonable people and our structures remain intact, so we can fix some of these problems--and they can be fixed in-house without having outside bureaucratic structures forcing its will on us. Don't get me wrong, we're at an inflection point. It's a real battle, but we still have a legit fighting chance. If it all goes to belly-up, New Zealand has some appealing features.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Jun 2020  #54

New Zealand has some appealing features.

....it looks like a dream of a country, doesn't it! :)

Miloslaw
6 Jun 2020  #55

New Zealand has some appealing features

If I were you, I would be planing my move ro NZ now.....

AntV
6 Jun 2020  #56

...it looks like a dream of a country, doesn't it! :)

It does have some dreaminess to it; although, I like a below zero winter.

If I were you, I would be planing my move ro NZ now.....

Nah...Trump was elected because plenty of Americans reject the globalist/neo-Marxist ideology. We still have some fight left in us. What's broadcasted over the airwaves is only part of the story. But, some cities will become severely dysfunctional because of the current crisis; but, hell, they're already dysfunctional in some manner.

johnny reb
6 Jun 2020  #57

The problem in America isn't race, but:

The problem with Black America is quite evident.
This is particularly acute in the black community, where over 70 percent of black kids are born outside of wedlock.
In some communities, like southeast Washington, D.C, a staggering 84 percent of children live in homes without a father.
These kids have no role models.

I would be planing my move ro NZ now.....

I believe they have closed their borders to foreigners seeking citizenship.

AntV
7 Jun 2020  #58

@johnny reb

Yep. It doesn't matter the race either, many studies and surveys show that somewhere around 70% (might actually be higher) of inmates in the US come from single-parent homes. I've read some studies that also say the same outcome is found in other countries that perform such studies.

IMO, this and the permeation of neo-marxism in schools has given us our current cultural crisis.

You think any of this will be "discussed" during our "national conversation" on race?

johnny reb
7 Jun 2020  #59

IMO, this and the permeation of neo-marxism in schools has given us our current cultural crisis.

You mean like when they took Jesus and prayer out of our schools this b.s. accelerated into what we are dealing with today.
I agree.

Thanks for complete info. Well, cop is maniacal murderer. Its clear then.

@Crow
Here is the video of the old man getting his melon cracked open and now fighting for his life.
You watch the video and decide for yourself if the old geezer deserved what he got.
(Note the blood poring out of the old mans ear.)

msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-violent-protest-incidents-a-theme-emerges-videos-contradict-police-accounts/ar-BB157DAW?li=BBnb7Kz

Crow
7 Jun 2020  #60

@johnny reb

Horror. How is that even possible?


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