Parents, Children, Schools Talk

Have to say that I agree with Francis in that I don't think that children should actually be taught in school that they can select their gender. It's just a bit too weird. What I'd like to know is, in which countries is this actually being actively taught in schools. I mean is it on the syllabus in their social/health education classes and what age group are such children.

Nowhere, there isn't a single country on this stupid planet teaching it.

I've gone looking for English versions of the site becasue his Poliness didn't give a proper link in English (which he's supposed to), read 5 or 6 things on it and not one offered a single ounce of evidence that it's being taught anywhere.

Said a dude with IQ 32. He cannot even tell the difference between a dress and the cassock. Between what a woman would wore and the garments that are being worn by the clergy.

Wait a second if you are wearing anything else than a suit and tie you should shut up, peasant.


I know that you as a woman are dippy concern about discriminated against men but as you said they're not married so they cannot be discriminated against most of the time. By the way, I know that for you as a Muslim woman it is difficult to tell the difference but they are not actually wearing a dress but vestments that goes back to the ancient Rome.


Nobody should be taught that they can select their gender.

It was easy enough to find even for a computer dunce like me. This was a while ago but is in sync with his latest criticism of the gender ideology.

dailycaller.com/2016/08/02/pope-francis-gender-ideology-behind-annihilation-of-man-as-gods-image/

Yea, what I said was that no article I read gave a single source regarding the books or the curriculum Frankie was talking about.
Your source is no different, it just says that American kids can use boys or girls toilets. Sure that's no different than most of the pubs in Krakow where one toilet all that's available.

Why is that, was there a past toilet tax imposed by the Austro-Hungarians?

Never understood the lack of toilets in pubs in Krakow, is Warsaw the same?
I've been to Warsaw a handful of times and the places I visited had plenty of toilet facilities.

Anyway, yea, if you could find a source to the gibberish Frankie is on about (actual proof that kids are being taught they can choose their gender) that'd be great becasue from what I've read he's talking out thorough his jacksie. I couldn't find a single one with evidence that any country is teaching this to kids.

Enlighten me Oh Judgemental One, show me the way and the light!

Plenty of info ont his:

One public toilet for all in schools is an ideolgoical choice, not because of any lack of faciliteis as is the case in Polish cafés and pubs.

Official application forms that eschew mother and father categories and instead call them parent 1 and parent 2.

As regards having kids as young as 4 choose the gender they identify with, read this link:

thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1136046/choose-your-gender-parents-blast-barmy-council-for-telling-kids-as-young-as-4-to-pick-sex-they-identify-with


That can be regarded as a given. Usually the poorer the country the more hospitable its people are.


This is from the link I gave. Perhaps you lacked the time to read the whole thing so here is a snippet thereof:

Barmy council for telling kids as young as 4 to pick sex 'they identify with'

Move comes just months after Brighton school sends out gender survey
BY TOM WELLS 19th April 2016, 11:01 pm

ANGRY parents have blasted a council that wants kids as young as four to
choose the gender "they most identify with" before starting school.

It wrote to parents urging them to support their child's choice of "gender
identity" in a letter confirming primary school places this week.

No, I don't see gender as an issue.


Looks like you'll be waiting for quite some time for that source.

Indeed, I am not privy to Pope Francis' soruces, but he is known to be kept abreast of current events by a team of Vatican aides and advisers who scan the international media for items of potential interest to the Holy See.

BTW have you bothered to read the link (Barmy council for telling kids as young as 4 to pick sex 'they identify with') direct from your Anglo-Fatherland?


Then define it as a concept, if you can.

I've read a similar link about this.
Parents in the UK select a place for their child at the school they would like their child to attend.
The council for the particular county concerned then allocates places for the children.
This is a letter that one council, Brighton and Hove, included with the standard forms.
This does not mean that every council in the UK will send these forms out, and it certainly does not mean that teachers are teaching primary school kids which gender they should identify with, so all this is somewhat misleading.

it would be Brighton and Hove wouldnt it? Bet it is only them though.

While thinking about it, here is some info from the USA on how gender identity is promoted from kindergarten through primary school:

***Beginning in Kindergarten, students will be taught about the many ways to express gender. Gender expression education will include information about the manifestations of traits that are typically associated with one gender. Crossdressing is one form of gender expression.

***Third graders will be introduced to the concept of gender identity. These children will be taught that they can choose their own gender.
***Fourth graders will be expected to "define sexual orientation," which refers to whether a person identifies as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual; they'll also be taught about HIV prevention. Children in fourth grade will be told that they can choose their sexual orientation.

***Fourth and fifth graders will learn about the relativity of gender roles and why such roles are social constructs that are not inherent to who we are as male or female human beings...

fpiw.org/blog/2016/06/02/washington-schools-to-teach-gender-identity-curriculum-in-kindergarten

NOTE: Be sure to read the disucssion in the baove link!

Yes Roz, I'm not surprised it's that particular council! I don't think others will be following suit either.

No, you're wrong as per usual


a survey is a questionnaire where people, in this instance children, are questioned.
It doesn't say they were being taught they could choose their gender.

Typical of right-wing nutjobs to mince up the words for their own delusional aims

For those who don't know, Brighton has a sizeable gay community. I remember a joke on the British sit-com The Royles where Nana mentions her neighbour's grandson: 'He went to live in Brighton and came back 'a gay' '.

Well it can't get more specific than this:

***Third graders will be introduced to the concept of gender identity. These children WILL BE TAUGHT that they can choose their own gender.,,. and sexual orientation.

How surprising to see you trying to pass an anti-gay hate group off as a school.

OK, that looks like it's true, but it's not, they're a lobby group, they're not in charge of setting any school curriculum. So what they've written is really just an opinion, it's not a fact at all

And as Harry points out and I've found from googling too, they're an anti-gay group. Just another lobby group, so them saying something (without proof) isn't worth the paper it's written on

Sorry

not in charge of setting any sare circulaitng and such social engineering is being mulled should be cause for concern. Today's opinion can become tomorrow's law. It's all part of their strategy -- soften society up, keep repeating the same slogans, cultivate lawmakers and one day -- bingo, it'll become reality. Thaa's how homo-marriage got foisted on America. Small, seemingly innocuous steps and then,,,we wake up one day with our hand in the chamber pot!

That's your opinion

As the great Rafa Benitez said, I talking facts.

Your post is just typical rambling, can you actually get any evidence than schools in any country are teaching what the pope said. I cannot.

If you and I both cannot find then it's obvious that what the pope was saying was based on hearsay nonsense and not on facts.

I could make a religion joke here, but I won't. I know some people are tender on that kind of thing

Right, I looked into this and it seems that there are two instances in the UK both involving Brighton and Hove. The first is this:

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/19/choose-your-gender-aged-four

Brighton and Hove council sent the letter to parents who were enrolling their children in primary school for the first time. I would consider it to be a completely pointless, ridiculous and intrusive thing and I would refuse to complete it if I were a parent. Also as a teacher I would say it has no value whatsoever in educational terms.

The second is this:
theargus.co.uk/news/14236195.Brighton_school_children_asked_to_choose_from_list_of_23_terms_to_describe_their_gender

This is the survey which was given for 13-18 year olds to complete as homework. It's more worrying in my view because it issued from central government. It was sent to every school in Brighton, only one school gave it to the students, but later, after parents complained, the government spokesperson claimed that it was only a draft and never intended to be given to the children at all. However, that would suggest that the government were seeking feedback from school staff before making a final draft.

I have to say that I don't like it at all. And, whilst regular posters will know that I'm no fan of Polly's, I agree that this kind of thing is a slippery slope. Today a survey or a letter to parents, tomorrow it's in the curriculum. The purpose of such letters and surveys is to determine future policies and where children are concerned that will ultimately involve what's taught in schools. It will eventually seep into not just the social, personal and health education subject area but will start to manifest itself in the history, literature, geography, sociology, right across the board. There will be a sexuality or gender element to many studies at secondary school level where students will be focusing as much on the fact that Oscar Wilde was gay, as his genius.

I don't care about people's sexuality but I don't like this kind of obsession with sex and gender issues. It's unhealthy.

Yes, and it causes confusion in young impressionable minds. Kindergarteners and pupils in lower primary classes should not be burdened with such complex dilemmas at their age. It robs them of their childhood.

It's completely inappropriate for primary school pupils and children under twelve. Following on from this thread I was reading an article on transgender children in Ireland and it stated that around 1% of people wolrdwide identify as transgender. Whilst I feel compassion for such people, I think it's such a small number that it doesn't really merit the attention it's being given by the British government, in creating a gender survey for teenagers and clearly looking at adapting educational services to reflect gender confusion issues. If anything, it's parents who should be educated about it, not the children, as until they reach adulthood, it's their parents' responsiblity to take care of their mental and physical health.

I also feel that if a 'gender' curriculum element enters schools, very young children may be subjected to well meaning but misplaced pressures to experiment or explore their gender. For example, 'Hey Tony, would you like to dress up in the Princess costume today?' The idea there wouldn't be to turn Tony into a transvestite or a transgender person, but to teach Tony and all the other kids that it's ok for a boy to dress in girl's clothes and that we mustn't say hurtful things to or about such people. The idea is that it teaches children to grow into being tolerant and accepting of difference but I don't think it's the right approach.

There could also potentially be a problem with staff mistakenly thinking that they've identified a child with gender identity issues and subsequently upsetting and stressing that child and their parents.

Mods, if you're responsible for creating this thread from the one where the posts originally appeared, the title is not very helpful. The discussion is very specific and centres around children being taught or asked to choose a gender. It's not a general discussion about children and school. Also you've omitted several relevant posts from the original thread.

I don't see it as a concept. If I'd been at the world youth day and a person who is biologically female had wanted to use the toilet cubicle next to me, that would have been fine with me. Did the world youth day have guards on the toilet doors checking genitals before letting people into toilets, or did the staff just let people use the toilet they felt most comfortable using?

Too bad you didn't make it back from the Belarusian border for WYD, because that would be the perfect job for you as a volunteer. Oh well, there's always Panama, so not all is lost!


No, neither Wilde nor Leonardo da Vinci were gay. They were sexual deviates or homosexuals. "Gay" is a modern prettifying euphemism for perversion.

How many times in the average day do you think about homosexual men? To the nearest dozen or so.

An American extreme conservative and religious lobbyist group. Not exactly a neutral source.

And the LGBT estbalishment is a neutral source?


Never unless someone like Atch comes out with that "gay" BS and has to be set straight.

Whatever that is...


An American right-wing religious lobbying group is the opposite of a neutral source. It exists to promote a particular world-view; something it is evidently doing very badly indeed, since every legislative and social change has gone against them.


Nonsense Po, you obviously thing about it constantly since you post here about it so often. Assuming of course that you think before you post rather than just spew bile.

There is no such a thing, Miller.

Please use all posters username


What kind of dialect is this?

What? Who?


Whatever dialect I want it to be.

Perhaps, Wulky, you should reflect on whether or not your post here (or pretty well any you make) has moved the thread forward...