Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Dow another 800 points down. Oil - 120 per. That Ukrainian "democracy" is getting expensive...

Yes, I am logical. It isn`t my fault that you don`t understand such logical shortcuts. Ha!


Yes, that is why I rarely use it


Yes, but we accept it with a smile on our lips knowing that RuSS-Asian savages who are carpet shelling Ukraine will starve. Read my smiling lips! :)

No, I think West will prefer to keep these money for itself... As they always do.

P2P Americans will freeze before Russians will starve. Or will have to walk to ... everything.

Watch out, PF's resident nutcase is out and about again.....


You can't make Adrian's Dirk Diggler up eirher..... pathetic and ignorant.


And you must be the dim one here, because the UK alone has raised over £40 million in private donations.

Here, in the lawless craphole where you don't have to pay if you are black, it's cutely called "civil forfeiture".


Well, that's an answer to my question. In part. My question was directed to the virtuosos here.
BTW, I have to be a bit cynical...What part of that amount do you think will be stolen?


I would enjoy counterarguments to what Dirk said more.

I would trust it as much as one of Putins cease fires.


Ive read that rubbish too, but noticed nobody responded ( as usual) and just waiting for it to be disposed to the Scumbag Serbian thread where all the other silly propaganda dies a slow death.. Talk about a ghost thread...lol

No, I don't waste time or money traveling to **** holes unless there's a very good reason, especially ones that have a history of massacring Polish people.


And yet regardless of the outlets, they all agree on one thing - it's the Ukranians running for their lives, not Russians. They're the ones constantly whining about this building getting blown up or getting shelled or hiding from the Russians or not agreeing to a cease fire or whatever, with Judensky begging for support on behalf of the "nationalists" every single day.

"White nationalists" with IWI TAVOR rifles.... bwhahahaha!!!!!


You mean jewish or more specifically zionist media...


I just said that the conscripts don't have even GPS let alone night vision... and yet they're still spanking the ukrops

Yes, maybe as of today they've sent in the rest of the forces to finish the job. In the first week that was clearly not the case as only around 150k were part of the initial invasion wave.

Their task is not much fun if you are a soldier who wants to win and go home. Looks and feels like another American-style police action.

You don't need to, you already live in one....Chicago.... you can't deny this Adrian, you Rich and Joker have all said the same.....LOL!!!!


Exactly, so who are the stupid ones here?
If the dumb Russians had any sense at all, they would be running even
faster than the Ukrainians.....


Another moron with a Jewish obsession,.....yawn....


Mate,you need to get a decent newsfeed.... It's the Russians who are getting well and truly spanked!
They have lost more soldiers in Ukraine in a week than the UK lost in Afghanistan in 20 years...... they are a pathetic excuse for an army, God forbid they ever come.face to face with NATO troops.... proper soldiers.

I have a question about those foreign volunteers in Ukraine...Really...Where do they sleep, sh*it, eat, take a shower, get money, buy food, get treated, watch TV, and how long do they intend to stay? 20 years like in Afghanistan?

Interesting, the Ukrainian army announced two success stories.

1. They apparantly managed to kill another Russian general. If true, this would be the second Russian general to be eliminated.

google.com/amp/s/rawstory.com/amp/russian-general-killed-2656860625

2. The Ukrainian army manged to retake a small city near Khariv. Evidently the Ukrainians are still able to launch counter attacks.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10585205/amp/Ukraine-says-TAKEN-Chuhuiv-city-killed-two-high-ranking-Russian-commanders.html

This brilliant act will, of course, make Putin mellow and, eventually, into a pussy cat.

I still think someone from his inner circle will eventually take the thug out.


Hes no General Patton thats for sure. His Army has been a total embarrassment to him and hes going to make mistakes in desperation.

Does anyone here know why Z needs two ys? What does the second y do for him that the first one didn't.

Just one more thing...
If you are not sure if the guy is a demagogue like Mr. Z, pay attention to every word. If he says "freedom" or "our freedoms" without saying freedom to do what, he is a demagogue and the world-class bullsh*itter. It is because there is no such thing as "freedom" - just as nothing is long or big.

Mr. Z said "freedom" three times in his interview with ABC.

Ha! What did I tell you yesterday (in #4,003)...

"Poland has to be careful about this (giving planes to Ukraine), because if the sh*t hits the fan and Russia sees this as an act of war and nukes a Polish city or two, then I know exactly how many nukes NATO or the US will fire at Russia. I know the exact number."

... and today we read:

"We are not against sending Polish jet fighters to Ukraine but the decision in this matter lies solely with Warsaw", said White House spokesperson Jen Psaki. "It is a sovereign decision of Poland, we are by no means against it." She also added that the question of supplying American jets for Poland, to replace the loss, is very complicated and such transfer takes years.

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-przekazanie-samolotow-ukrainie-bialy-dom-decyzja-nalezy-do-p,nId,5877794

LMFAO What-did-I-tell-you? :)

Not only are Americans trying to manipulate Poland into going to war with Russia alone, and washing their hands saying it is entirely our own, sovereign decision, BUT they are also not going to replace our losses with American planes (because "it's complicated and takes years"). :D

Luckily, not even PiS are stupid enough to fall for this, and they insist it has to be a NATO-level decision. If it is solely our decision and Russia considers this an act of war - which they actually can do, in light of international law - then the US will say that Poland provoked the war and Article 5 doesn't apply. Or even if they formally declare war, they are not going to risk an all-out nuclear war over one or two nuked Polish cities.

Those Americans are cunning foxes, you have to give them that, but apparently they believe all those "Polish jokes", if they think we will fall for this. In one way, I understand their need to cover their a*sses but such an obvious attempt at manipulating Poland into entering full-scale war with Russia is a bit disgusting, isn't it?

So, the US no longer supports the decision, they are merely not against it today. Tomorrow, who knows, it might turn out that they were "slightly against". :)

Poland is already taking a huge risk by becoming a logistical hub for the entire crisis, and if - according to some - it is so safe to send those planes through a third-party, without giving Russia casus belli, then why not make it a NATO-level decision? Why doesn't the US officialy request Poland to send the planes? It is sad that our ally is taking us for complete and utter idiots.

Wow, now you have become a regular pro=Putin troll. AmaSSing. :):)

Still the same question: what do they have on you that you are playing in the Red orchestra? Have you always been a sleeper troll or turned just recently?

@GefreiterKania
While on the surface it looks like the US may be back peddling, part of the issue with back fill is technical issues on these planes. Some of these would take time to solve. Granted that should have been made public at the time these comments were made.

I love waking up to read the updates from the keyboard gangsters and trolls. The bottom line again is as of this morning Ukraine is kicking Russia's a$$. The Russian soldiers, and Russia, do not have the high tech equipment that the US and its allies have. Period. Russia spent its money on hypersonic tech and not on its military ground forces. Russia does not have the technology to even copy the US technology, and now they cant even get technology to fix a home computer.

How many days now? This was was supposed to be over in a few days. Maximum it was to take 15 days to take over all of Ukraine. They cant even take Kiev, and they sure wont take Ukraine. Russia now has to plan for years of sanctions because they wont end when Russia leaves. Happy gulag trolls and traitors!

Anybody notice a common strain with all these Putin stans?


Haven't been in Poland recently, have you?

@mafketis
Everyone is so afraid of the Jews and their control of the media. Terribly frightening I know.

airforcemag.com/backfilling-nato-mig-transfers-to-ukraine-not-quick-or-easy/

Russian tactical _genius_!!!!!

twitter.com/republikpost/status/1500870013087010819

The places they're wrecking are the places they supposedly want... what are they going to do with this big piles of rubble they've created? Especially since Russian mis-governance has made the ruble into toilet paper...

If it's so "complicated" then I think Poland could be simply compensated financially for the loss of those jets from the EU fund for military aid for Ukraine, so we could buy new ones. Poland isn't rich and as a NATO-border country we can't afford to be left without fighter jets...


I do hope it's just on the surface and they're trying to solve the problems instead of just giving up.


I still wonder how they could be transported to Ukraine. Does anyone know which of those options would be possible and most plausible?:

1. Polish pilots flying them from Poland to an airfield in Ukraine and leaving them there.
2. Ukrainian pilots flying them from Poland to an airfield in Ukraine (not attacking Russians, just landing on the airfield).
3. Transporting them on land (I imagine that would be the most risky for the jets, since they could get easily destroyed by Russians).
4. Partly disassembling the jets (is that even possible?) and flying them in some big transport planes to Ukraine (they would have to get assembled in Ukraine though).

There's another issue I'm wondering about... Is there still a safe airfield in Ukraine from which those jets could take off? Does Ukraine have any jets left?

Erm... have you even read what Paulina posted yesterday...

facebook.com/767832330023757/posts/2336982443108730

... is the Polish soldier a "pro-Putin" troll too? :)


Seriously, Pawian, I am beginning to suspect that there is some senility creeping in here (understandable at your age, but still a bit sad). Emotions are good for teenagers; responsible adult people have to analyse reality and draw logical conclusions.


That's exactly what it looks like, PolAm. Backpeddling and washing their hands.


That is definitely good news, but does it make it more or less probable that cornered and desperate Putin might consider using nuclear weapons? Especially if Poland commits an act of war against Russia, according to international law. How many nukes will the US or NATO fire at Russia, if Russia conducts a limited nuclear strike against a Polish city or two? I think I know the exact number.


Act of war.


Act of war.

3 and 4 open to interpretation - guess how Russia is going to interpret it. :) And we will be alone - NATO and the US are washing their hands.

Why? Polish transport planes are already flying to Ukraine with weapons on board.


Is it? That's the thing - I don't know...


Points 3 and 4 aren't about international law interpretation, because that would be simply a transport of weaponry to Ukraine that is already happening. So, in case of points 3 and 4 I'm wondering about logistics and practical aspect and not what Russia would have to say, since I don't think they would have grounds to protest.


I think pawian is simply a bit paranoid :) And you did got carried away too, imho.

Well, sorry, but the stakes are rather high here, aren't they?

@GefreiterKania, yes, that's why we should keep are heads cool. We don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

And I think you went a bit too far with this:

In any case, apparently one cannot say anything even remotely objective here - not in accord with mindless recklessness of some people - without being called a "pro-Putin" troll. :-/

I'm out of here.

@GefreiterKania, so far only pawian suspects you of this, so don't be such a drama queen :P ;))

@Paulina @GefreiterKania
You should both read the air force article I posted. Very informative and accurate.

Compensating Poland for planes is not a solution because it leave Poland with fewer self defense planes for themselves. Planes can come from the US in any number of ways when there are planes to send after being built, its not that difficult.

Moldova is next on the hit list for Russia. Russia already occupies territory there, and that's why Moldova applied for EU membership so quickly. It is also why the EU will use them in some way if the war continues on for a long time.

Putin is not going to use nukes. Just not going to happen. Russia has given their four demands for the war ending. That is a negotiation point which means he wants out. Otherwise he would just keep pounding them into submission over the long haul. This means that his people don't have the stomach for this, and he can not afford to lose support from the oligarchs since they have control over most of his personal wealth stolen from the people.

Wow, this thread has really exploded! Most curious to me is that GefreiterKania has suddenly sprouted a brain, while our favorite baboon has become absolutely hysterical. I will check in again in a week to see what other new developments there are in the zoo.

P.S. - The modern world is a dangerous and unpredictable place - each issue representing in itself an infinitely complex set of factors. How great then, that PolAmKrakow is giving out all the answers, daily, and most importantly - FOR FREE!