Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

That's exactly why I left Poland, Poles, and all things Polish. You, Poles, are sloganeering idiots.


I expect better from you than a stupid one-liner. Despotism like in Crimea? Sure. Russia is not the USSR and Putin is not Stalin in spite of the fact that there are millions of morons out there who still think so. Don't be one of them.


Another crappy slogan not worth dissecting.


And that is why a guy in Ukraine should grab his musket and die in a losing battle for his "freedom" the way his friends died in Crimea fighting for theirs. Oops - nobody fought and nobody died in Crimea. More people died in New York last week than since Crimea lost its dignity, pride, and that freedom.


When did you put your life at risk for a "principle"? And what principle was it?

Bullsh*it is easy.

I'm fortunate that thanks to the efforts of my grandparents' and great grandparents' generation, who did risk their lives , I haven't had to.

You live in a country that would not/ could not exist without millions of people being willing to risk their lives for the sake of principles. Hypocrite much?


Then why (pretending to believe your story for a second or two) did you travel toward the West and not toward theEast? You seem to adore the Soviet/Russian system... surely that would have been a much better match for you....

You are so right. The best example of how brilliant you are is that boondoggle aka Warsaw Uprising. It should be taught at every military academy how to outsmart an enemy like the USSR with a couple of million guys across the river. That worked really well, didn't it?


Nuts was too nice. I changed it to idiots.


Yes. Since you are slow today, I will repeat: the US is to Canada as Russia is to Ukraine.
That was an analogy. And a damn good one and that is why you couldn't say anything smarter than that idiotic pseudo-response.
Analogy - a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
And it was spot on, Novichok. They share the same language. They are adjacent. They are connected economically. They will not try to kill their neighbors since their neighbors are not trying to kill them.

Pawian, stay in your lane or at least quit clowning.

To be objective life in Ukraine may even improve slightly after Russian annexion. Cheaper oil and gas. Russia as a wide market for Ukrainian goods of mediocre quality, including agriculural products. Some investments in Ukraine. Evil toungs claim that Ukrainian economy lost a lot when it broke ties with Russia and enttered in trade agreement with EU. It seems that during last decades Russia was more successfull in attracting foreign investments than Ukraine. So, investments will faster come in Ukraine through Russia and in Russia, than if it will stay independent.

To be objective, life in Russia would be far better after German (or even Polish) annexion.... better more transparent government, better work ethic... more advanced civil society....

Now, Ukraine is in a purgatory awaiting the final verdict.

So, what?

Then stop living off the sacrifices of others, you hypocritical user. You've just admitted you don't understand basic human motivations or aspirations so you're unqualified to comment on Ukraine.

The discussion here was about whether Ukraine should bother to defend itself against a Russian invasion when it would be futile to do so and would cost many lives. The answer is yes, a country always has to be willing to defend itself in the name of its own freedom, even if they have no chance of success.

So what? Which would you choose.... life as a comfortable slave or an uncomfortable free man?

What sacrifices?

An oligarch's slaves...

If they are, then it's their business to rise up and free themselves not be taken over by Russia.

Is what Ukrainians would be if Russia took over... they're trying (imperfectly, yes) to free themselves

How? Where is any kind of progress?

OK as long as you do it with maths which is extremely logical and accurate and 2 by 2 is always 4 to the end of the world.

Not OK, when you do it with countries as illogical as Russia. hahaha


I am really surprised you resort to such primitive tricks with those failed analogies. You who used to be a scientist. Amazing.

Back to Ukraine...I read this morning that the uprising in Crimea has claimed the first 10,000 dead and 100,000 wounded. This is awful. The US should immediately send 25,000 social workers assisted by 10,000 volunteers from Poland.

A video showing Putin trembling in his boots is now available on YouTube.

Hmm, interesting that you make up such fake news so outwardly. It is a novelty. When that failed analogy of yours didn`t come across too well, you are trying this trick now. Funny. :)


If common Russians swallow this and do nothing to stop the resulting death toll among their compatriots killed by Ukrainian defenders, that will mean they are like cattle which deserves being whipped and cowed by their Kremlin masters.

Estimates are at least 10,000 Russian troops will be killed if Russia invades.
Putin wouldn't want that blood on his hands.
U.S. elite troops landed in Poland today.
The troops' arrival in Poland came after Defense Department said last week that the agency will deploy 2,000 troops from their station at Fort Bragg, N.C. to Germany and Poland "in the next few days."

These troops will not fight in Ukraine but will be used to fortify Poland's borders.

An ukrainian politician/diplomat was last night in german talk tv....lotsa talk about Ukraine wanting into NATO.

That's what I don't get....before Donbass Ukraine was firmly in the neutrals corner....now Putin changed that....he keeps that up and Ukraine will become NATO member!

@Bratwurst Boy

They have a centralised perspective, Russians think it's thanks to a deal between U.S-Russia that stops Ukraine from entering NATO and not minimal requirements, willingness of Ukraine as a whole and risk/benefit assessment of NATO members.

If Russia takes eastern Ukraine, there won't be anyone politically who would oppose joining NATO in Ukraine anymore either

Exactly that!

Has done more to strengthen Ukrainian national identity than any single figure in the last 150 or so years....

An odd legacy, to be sure. Even some Putin fans realized he's only made Ukrainian desires for independence from Russia stronger (they're just okay with crushing those desires...)

I think Putin hasn't thought it through....and he has probably nobody left in his "inner circle" who dared to tell him....such things happen to autocrats to long unchecked in power, they make errors!

I tend to think that Putin doesn't especially want to invade (the troup build ups have been happening periodically over the last few years... sends a bunch of troops to the border then pulls back when the fuss dies down) but the US really, like _really_ wants him to invade (not least because the Biden contributions to corruption in Ukraine). And if he doesn't invade Biden has a foreign policy 'win' for the midterms next year.... lord knows nothing else is working out for the present administration.....

I've also come across the idea that General Mark Milley is behind the push to get Russia to invade. He's the freak that was saying China isn't an enemy of the west because of the economy (and a big promoter of the woke agenda in the US military).

I'm not sure what the goal is....

If that's true, he is either
1. Left winger
2. In Chinese pockets
3. Has financial stakes/investments in China or profits from China based production.

4. Is more focused on domestic issues then foreign threats to the U.S
5. Dove lobbyist
6. Naively trusts China

The world needs a war to get out of the economic problems self inflicted in dealing with COVID. Russia and the USA need a return to the Cold War atmosphere to generate military spending which also boosts economies. This is about money. Russia really doesn't GAF about Ukraine. Russian people dont care about Ukraine. Ukraine is a pawn for other interests, and there are no other pawns available to play.

guys thus is big. russia apparently moved its iskanger missles west from east.

ukrainecouncil.quora.com/Russia-is-secretly-relocating-Iskander-guided-missiles-from-East-to-West?ch=17&oid=59470349&share=8cd2c94b&srid=3eEEp&target_type=post

nato and poland in particular is shittin its pants guys. shittin its pants and good lol.

" Ukraine is a pawn for other interests, and there are no other pawns available to play."

the polaks are everyone's pawn.

It varies. Many of them believe that Ukrainians are basically a variety of Russians. Probably Germans have the same feelings about Austrians.