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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



jon357
7 Apr 2022  #7771

Polski Ład,

Unpopular with many, however governments frequently do do stuff that not everyone likes. One reason free countries like Poland have elections and a thriving political scene.

7+ per litre of diesel, some 3 million refugees

Fortunately, in Europe, we're all in it together. Poland's government has asked for help with refugees, which it will get. Inflation started before the russianinvasion of Ukraine.

looming 'just 20% goy

The what?????

Novichok
7 Apr 2022  #7772

...some 3 million refugees...

...and proud they can help. I know it will be expensive but oh what a feeling...Plus the joy of prolonging the war and making Russia look bad.

IT's called NATO MORON

There is a difference between ...NATO moron and ...NATO, moron. Look up "sloppy".
BTW, NATO=USA. The rest of you are kept women.

...governments frequently do do stuff that not everyone likes. One reason free countries like Poland have elections

Not true. Democracies do what the voters want - as opposed to brutal dictatorships like Russia. BTW, PRL had elections, too. I remember choosing between two parties then - just as in the US now.

jon357
7 Apr 2022  #7773

An obviously untrue statement.

You don't need to reply to every post here. Sometimes you would do better to button it.

Novichok
7 Apr 2022  #7774

I swear there were two.

Korvinus
7 Apr 2022  #7775

The what?????

Inflation.

help with refugees

Letting them go into the country was ok at the start, but it is high time to set up refugees camps to contain them somehow.

Bobko
7 Apr 2022  #7776

Please congratulate the Russian Ruble on officially becoming stronger versus the USD than on the day prior to the start of the operation!

The "gray market" exchange rate is still quite a bit higher than the one advertised by the CB, but still only 10-15% higher than the pre-war exchange rates. In regards to where one can spend these dollars and euros - this past month has shown that the Chinese and Emiratis will happily sell to Russians. Good luck sanctioning Shanghai and Dubai.

On other fronts - India is in the process of setting up a ruble-rupee swap.

Novichok
7 Apr 2022  #7777

but it is high time to set up refugees camps to contain them somehow.

...in Western Ukraine or Eastern Germany. They used to be friends...

India is in the process of setting up a ruble-rupee swap.

...a farewell to the dollar? Stupid sanctions have stupid consequences.
BTW, you know they bottom fish when they "sanction" two totally innocent women. This is beyond embarrassing.

Crow
7 Apr 2022  #7778

On other fronts - India is in the process of setting up a ruble-rupee swap.

Yes, world of global civilizations emerging.

Atch
7 Apr 2022  #7779

A bit of good news at last. Russia suspended from the UN Human Rights Council - about bloody time.

jon357
7 Apr 2022  #7780

At long last!

Good news, and next, their place on the security council if possible.

Crow
7 Apr 2022  #7781

Just for the record. As a Serbian I can say that there is no justice and human rights in this Europe and this Earth much before Russia`s special operation in Ukraine.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Apr 2022  #7782

Crow, what more proof do you need???

Putin's soldiers chat about their atrocities

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/news-des-tages-putins-soldaten-impfpflicht-gescheitert-nrw-ministerin-nach-der-flut-a-a4f59a8d-34bc-40b2-ae09-0b5e631fd216

1. How Russian soldiers chat about their atrocities

The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) has intercepted radio traffic from the Russian military in the region north of Kyiv and has thereby received new, shocking information about atrocities near Kyiv. are discussed in radio messages Murders of civilians

According to SPIEGEL information, some of these radio messages could possibly be assigned to images of bodies found in Butscha. In a radio message, a soldier is said to say: First question people, then shoot them. A mass grave and dozens of civilian bodies were discovered in Bucha over the weekend. Some of them had their hands tied, and other bodies showed signs of torture.

According to SPIEGEL information, the BND informed the parliamentary room about its findings today. Mercenary troops like the "Wagner Group" played a key role in the atrocities. The radio recordings indicated that killings of civilians is normal or even part of strategy for Russian military personnel. According to the BND, the soldiers talk about the atrocities as if they were everyday things. Some of the radio messages are apparently not about Butscha, but about events in other places. So were there other atrocities, such as in Mariupol?

The radio messages confirm the war crimes, which eyewitnesses have already reported to SPIEGEL. Among many other pieces of evidence, they expose the lies of the Russian leadership that they have nothing to do with the corpses of civilians.

The radio messages could eventually play a role in war crimes trials. But they also show that we must not hesitate to support Ukraine with more weapons against Putin's nefarious troops. ....


Korvinus
7 Apr 2022  #7783

Ruble on officially becoming stronger versus the USD

Now go try to change some roubles to USD at a russian bank , exchange office, or on the black market.
On the black market (telegram channels) the exchange rate is 1 usd ~ 120 rubles.

Alien
7 Apr 2022  #7784

The sanctions seem to be working. Abramowicz has to borrow money.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Apr 2022  #7785

We would see about that.

Does it mean Putin can do what he wants in Ukraine? Behave in the most inhuman ways but you really give a sh*it because in reality for you its all about revenge on the West for what happened in the Balkans in the 90's?

That means we can stop beating around the bush and trying to prove/deny atrocities....you don't care at all about who has done what or if at all. Quite the contrary, you actually wish for more...more bloodshed, more destruction, more dead....maybe even a nuke or two to sweeten it even more for you.

Crow, you are on a dark path!

Crow
7 Apr 2022  #7786

Does it mean Putin can do what he wants in Ukraine?

It means that Russians aren`t Serbs. Those who harm them and threaten them are those who will suffer more. They will make them suffer. And that is not poor people of Ukraine. Suffering will befall those who directed Ukraine on the path of imminent clash with Russia. Suffering will befall western Europe and USA.

Problem is that Russians know how this world function and they have power to protect themselves. They sow what happened to Serbs. How work justice of western Europe and States. Russians so don`t have illusions and they will hit hard.

Crow, you are on a dark path!

No, I just told you truth. You are the one who live in matrix.

War didn`t even started.

Human rights?

I am sure victors will know.

Bobko
7 Apr 2022  #7787

@Korvinus

There is a limit of $10K for USD withdrawals from banks for the next six months. I suspect that for average people this is enough to pay for their vacation (don't know what else people inside Russia would need dollars for). Then there is a limit of $5K a month for sending USD out of the country (also, probably enough for most people - sending help to relatives, etc). What you are saying about the Telegram exchange rate is not true. I just opened a group for Moscow, and the advertised rate is 88-90 rubles, whereas the official exchange rate is now at 76.

Besides the black market, as you call it, there are also cryptocurrencies. Naturally, there is no limit to how much you want to exchange when it comes to this.

Everything above is for persons. For legal entities domiciled in Russia - the story is different. It's a limit of $5K monthly, and this amount can only be used for purposes of international business travel. If it's a greater amount, or for different purposes, it has to be approved by bank. These restrictions apply to USD, Yen, Sterling, and Euro. All other currencies have no restrictions for Russian legal entities. So you can still send 5 million Swiss Francs if you want, or a billion Turkish Lira, for example.

For foreign legal entities, there is a complete ban on moving around foreign currency.

johnny reb
7 Apr 2022  #7788

The sanctions seem to be working.

Some of them but......the EU has paid Russia $38 billion for energy since the Ukraine war began.

Crow
7 Apr 2022  #7789

Serbia and Hungary creating one better Europe. Shows the way to all Europeans.

Alien
7 Apr 2022  #7790

@johnny reb
It can't be changed so quickly.

mafketis
7 Apr 2022  #7791

It can't be changed so quickly.

Why not? What would happen?

Alien
7 Apr 2022  #7792

It's winter, people have to heat their homes.

mafketis
7 Apr 2022  #7793

It's winter,

Winter ended March 20... two weeks ago. They can put on an extra sweater....

mafketis
7 Apr 2022  #7794

Great thread with some history of Russian military aggression toward non-Russians...

twitter.com/MaximEristavi/status/149532306953940582

shorter version: The Russian state hates it when people want to leave and its usual response is to kill a bunch of people...

Paulina
7 Apr 2022  #7795

If the former DDR had survived to this day under the Russians, it would have been a picture of normalcy

Are you Russian?

1. How Russian soldiers chat about their atrocities

Like Wehrmacht soldiers in September 1939.
It's the first time I see those conversations being intercepted and reported by someone else than the Ukrainians. So it's true then... :( I was wondering whether they're real until what happened in Bucha was revealed. And this confirmed it even more...

Doesn't this sound familiar?:

ipn.gov.pl/en/digital-resources/articles/7264,War-crimes-committed-by-the-German-Wehrmacht-during-the-invasion-of-Poland-in-19.html

"From the standpoint of the German propaganda, the invasion of Poland was a liberating war, aimed to rescue the German ethnic minority from the alleged oppression of the Polish state officials. Since the summer of 1939, the propaganda machine had been spreading fake news about "acts of cruelty" towards the Germans, supposedly committed by Poles. Its goal was to prepare the German society for the outbreak of the war. As a result, at the beginning of the conflict, the German soldiers were filled with anti-Polish stereotypes and aggression, which they took out on the captured POWs, as well as on the civilians."

It's like as if Putin took it out of the Hitler's playbook.

It's shocking how history repeats itself... As if we haven't learned anything...

Great thread with some history of Russian military aggression toward non-Russians...

twitter.com/MaximEristavi/status/149532306953940582

Maf, it says that this tweet was deleted.

PolAmKrakow
7 Apr 2022  #7796

@Novichok
The rest are "kept women" what does that make you? A Wh0Re?

@Bobko
Except Russians cant send money anywhere outside of Russian friendly countries. They cant move money anywhere. How Fing stupid are you? Since I had a Russian client want to pay me, and he couldnt send money to USA, Canada or Poland where I have accounts, the limits you talk about are meaningless. You cant even use Western Union to send money into or out of Russia. Your motherland is dead.

jon357
7 Apr 2022  #7797

rescue the German ethnic minority from the alleged oppression of the Polish state officials.

As you say, Putler could have taken this from Hitler.

It's a bizarre idea that if a country had some territory once and lost it, that they somehow have a right to that territory again.

As if we haven't learned anything...

We have, you have, I have, the civilised world has.

Unfortunately russia hasn't.

mafketis
7 Apr 2022  #7798

Great thread with some history of Russian military aggression toward non-Russians...

twitter.com/MaximEristavi/status/1495323069539405826

shorter version: The Russian state hates it when people want to leave and its usual response is to kill a bunch of people...

(corrected link: mods, feel free to delete #7,801)

GefreiterKania
7 Apr 2022  #7799

European Footballer of the Year 1986, Igor Belanov, joined the Ukrainian army in defense of his homeland...

Belanov

... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Belanov

Star player in the past, now defending his country from the invaders. Fair play, Mr Belanov. *thumbs up*

mafketis
7 Apr 2022  #7800

bizarre idea that if a country had some territory once and lost it, that they somehow have a right to that territory again

What does that do to the phony Soviet creation Kaliningrad?


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