Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Not gonna lie, I am really glad at the moment about the fact that there is still a relatively well-equipped Polish army between Russia and Germany.

Well said. I'm sure there are many Polish and Polonia who are thinking the same..

At least you have your priorities straight. Why you would want to risk your life for the people you don't even know is another matter and beyond my ability to understand.


We can use them here patrolling the streets of NY and Chicago.

Quoting from Kosovo - Wikipedia:

On 8 October 2008, the UN General Assembly resolved, on a proposal by Serbia, to ask the International Court of Justice to render an advisory opinion on the legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence. The advisory opinion ... was rendered on 22 July 2010, holding that Kosovo's declaration of independence was not in violation either of general principles of international law, which do not prohibit unilateral declarations of independence,

I posted the above to prevent PF posters from going nuts over the prospect of the Russian-speaking areas declaring their independence from Ukraine.

Yes, it would be legal. Russia's role in the process will be as legal and similar as the role the US played in Kosovo becoming an independent state.

Putin being likable or not is irrelevant.

I do not buy Apple at all, prefer Huawei phones. ;)

And I store apples in refrigerator (my unit have larger freezer section than refrigerator section, so I often use word "freezer" about it).


I doubt that risk to have 55 varieties of sausages in a supermarket instead of 60 is good reason to allow ukrainian nazis to further shell cities in Donbass. And probably you are misunderstood current situation in Russia.

that really is a stupid thing to write (and even stupider to believe)

One obvious thing to do now is to confiscate the property of all Russian oligarchs and politicians in the West. Tell them to say goodbye to those lovely villas in France, houses in Monaco and London etc. etc. Also, immediately freeze all their assets and deport all the members of their families safely (and very comfortably) living and studying in the West. Add to this the SWIFT ban and Putin will be removed in an eyeblink :)

Ordinary Russians are hard people - they are used to hardship, even poverty. But when you hit the oligarchs - used to luxury and power - they will remove Putin themselves.

It would be great for 99% of Russians. The West abandoning and robbing its now useless agents of influence will send a strong signal to other collaborators, present and future. And this camarilla will not be able to get to Putin, they will be torn apart on the way, they have zero support among the people, and money does not work like in the West.

You are just the biggest sucker alive, aren't yhou?

Currently active Russian government politicians (whose children study in the West and who have fat bank accounts there) are West's agent's of influence? Interesting theory.

But again, let's assume your theory is true - Putin remains in power and Russia is isolated and ignored by every decent country in the world. Russian diplomats are expelled and foreign embassies in Moscow are closed. Russia moves into the North Korean system of Juche (self-reliance). Tons of money are lost, people are inevitably poorer and the country weaker, Nord Stream 2 is never opened, Nord Stream 1 is closed, Europe is forced to reevaluate its energy policies without the use of Russian sources (it hurts initially, but eventually new sources are secured). Also, NATO is significantly strenghtened - more money is spent on weapons and research (a race that Russia can never win with the West - you tried in the past and that's how USSR fell). As for the conquered Ukraine, Ukrainians are ruthless if need be (we know that from history), so the terror that hits Russia daily makes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict look like kindergarten fun.

The losses for Russia in this scenario are immense. The gains? Some parts of Ukrainian territory (perhaps even the whole of Ukraine), final subduing of Belarus... I don't know what else... maybe better relations with China... maybe... but Russia is economic and population dwarf compared to China so they will never treat you as equal partners.

To sum up, I still don't see how Putin decided that the gains/losses balance is in favour of Russia.

Time will show.

It's funny when politicians make decisions based on the propagandistic image of the country created by MSM and extend their psychological complexes to it. All of you will face a tough information defloration...

In all fairness I would be more worried if I were a Russian citizen right now. NATO is pretty safe, and Putin has just done it a great favour by waking the giant up from its sleep. The sleepy, benevolent NATO of 21st century is gone - the old 20th century NATO has just woken up.

Time will show.

Anyone who is in power and has a conflict of interest, who can change their decisions in the conflict, is an agent of influence. Albeit indirectly, they can still be manipulated.

And Russia, having switched to "kamikaze mode" (i.e., acting with the optimization of its economic and political moves in order to maximize the ratio of losses of opponents to its own losses) will be much more dangerous for the West than Russia using military force. And NATO and all expenses for their existence is useless in this scenario.

I heard a former British ambassador to Moscow say exactly the same thing the other day.
Putin can only be brought down from within.

Heh:)



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@GefreiterKania
Well said. I think you may have just predicted Russia's future.

@Velund
You are really mentally challenged aren't you. Russia has nothing on the west and can do nothing to the west. Again, for the fiftieth fing time, what does Russia have that the west cant live without? NOTHING.

We did without Russia for about 50 years after WW2. Got nothing from them, gave nothing to them. The Russian people got tired of eating dirt sandwiches and forced a change. This history is about to repeat itself, because Putin simply can not understand that the world does not give 2 sh**s about Russia. Its a backward country with backward thinking. So, enjoy the all you can eat potato soup when you go to stand in line in a few months.

Because NATO is the aggressor. Aggressors are usually safer than their targets. See Iraq, Afghanistan, and Serbia.

Security.

And if the West/NATO does not want to take steps to increase strategic security for both sides, trying to put modern weapons as close as possible on borders, that can perform surprise attack to a crucial infrastructure - then security level of Europe/US/NATO will be lowered to same level that Russia feels for yourself. Economics is not in prirority here, we are talking about more important matters.

Those who are not able to perceive abstract ideas with their heads are destined to reach understanding through a strong burning sensation in the a$$.

I am so glad Kosovo happened. Putin was smart to remember that little event and the sacred right to self-determination in Crimea and now.

We shall see if economics is not a priority when life standard in Russia gets ever closer to North Korea with time. People always think they can go on a strict diet, and be consistent with it, when they are well-fed and have just had a good meal. :)


Politics is like a game of chess. You think carefully about your moves, consider different scenarios, and try to predict your opponents move. You don't say at the chessboard before your move: "oh, now my next move is going to make your arse burn!" - that's just childish and against chess etiquette. :)


You just can't help yourself, can you? You think about Putin, you put on your diving mask, grab your breathing pipe, locate Putin's rectum and start snorkeling. It's just stronger than you, isn't it?

In the east of Ukraine there are ores worth about 8 billions US dollars.
That operation to take them over was agreed with Germany top corporations. Hence German support of Russia.
USA reacted not becasue they care about Ukraine or Russia but because they want to thwart German grap for power and their aim of pushing USA from Europe.

To build German (EU) - Russia block, another global power next to China and USA.

You despise democracy why should Crimeans have a voice in who rules them?

I can't find "Kosovo" in your post. Are you one of those dumb Polacks Strzelec refers to so often?


That was a clever attempt. No, maf, I don't despise democracy. I despise "democracy". If you don't see the difference, I will be ecstatic to explain.


I hope Germany will succeed. I want the US out of the land of nuts, too.

And try to explain difference between pole and "pole" as well. It is almost as important.... ;)

I often see how "poles" promise to fight for Poland up to last pole. ;)

I think that would make you a traitor if you were an American. Since we know you are a Russian troll - I'm not suprised.

mafketis can you tell me if I'm right that it would make him a traitor? I don't know how they see it in the USA.


Do you? Where? In your paranoid dreamworld?
Poles fight for Poland to the last of the enemy combatants. Once they are six feet under it is all good.

I swear it wasn't me. I ain't that stoopid.


Lucky me I live in Novosibirsk so I am safe from being executed for treason by the Americans.
How many morons are there in Europe?


They have that thing called the First Amendment. Lucky bastards...

Good!

@Velund

Did you hear that? Looks like somebody is indeed going to feel "a strong burning sensation in the a$$" (to quote your poetic figure of speech) but it won't be the EU or NATO. :)

Western perfidy and hypocrisy have no limits. Kosovo anyone? A-holes...


Are you gay? Your obsession and familiarity with that body part are intriguing.

The West accepted what happened with Crimea grudgingly and it would probably also accept in time if Putin helps himself to Luhansk and Donezk and with that do so the same as they did with Kosovo, accepting that after WWII some borders had just drawn wrongly and some ethnical borders just don't fit the political/national ones...the same as after WWI....but he won't stop there, Lavrov already openly talks about the WHOLE Ukraine....and this is about millions of people who don't want to become Russians and want to stay an independent nation, which is their right!

Europe has to draw a line somewhere....and this is it!

Ask your mum - she can attest that I'm not. :) Besides, I'm not the one hating women and writing facepalmingly idiotic posts about them.


...will never match your extensive knowledge of it, gained with years of butt-snorkeling. But I repeat myself. I think nobody on this forum will ever be able to read any of your posts again without seeing the mental picture of a guy with a diving mask and a snorkeling pipel. :D