Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

It is all out of the control? Who is making all those decisions? We need to say enough. We can't affort to provide all that help.

@gregy741

You can disagree with PiS all you want, but no Pole would talk about "Poland begging". Your cover was blown, you are not Polish.

@Iron

Yes, the Krabs are top-notch, the best we have. I was surprised myself.

cover?i been on this forum for like 10 years posting as pole in poland related topics. not 2 years like you.
you mean am russian who registered here 10 years ago so i could cover myself to report pro russian content for this war?

Of course. They are defending their country.


That is their go to way of doing it. They've lost so many this time that they're reaching their limit.


Poland is a full member of NATO.

its not what i meant
there are 2 types of patriotism. 1 is looking after nation interests and preserving life
and second is blind stupid "true pole" attitude of confronting "mortal historical enemy" at any cost ,to satisfy grievances from the past

@grisha741

Yea, exactly - a sleeper.

I prefer to believe that about you because I always give people the benefit of the doubt. It's better to be a Russian sleeper troll than a traitor, spitting on his own Fatherland. In the first case, you are just doing your dirty job, in the second case you are a scumbag betraying your country and sucking up to the enemy.

no. i just dont let stupid nationalist to tell me who i should hate
for me best interest for Poland is peace in the region not war. i dont buy concept of Russia as mortal enemy as a part of polish patriotism.

before we had a concept of Poland as west/east bridge till stupid nationalist come to power and chose confrontations and sanctions

Bollox, Grisha741.

Nobody is talking about "hating Russia" (certainly not me), but it is they who started the war, they plan to "denazify" Poland when they are through with Ukraine (75,5% of Russians said that Poland should be the next target), and they are the aggressors.

Your story doesn't hold water, tovarishch.

None of his stories hold water.
He is a pro Russian propagandist and liar.


Well, they are... but I think they mean the country and their leaders, not Russian people.


No question.

Yes, that much is now certain.

@grisha741

You have fooled us... for a while. But not anymore. My job is done here. Now you will talk to other people - you will sing everything to them, nicely and with a high-pitched voice.

Take him!

*watches as soldiers escort Russian spy, grisha741, to be interrogated by professionals*

@gregy741
You are not a Pole living in Poland.

As for Poland facing Russia, in an invasion scenario, Russia would be destroyed in Poland today, not only due to Polish army but NATO. Oh and by the way, more Poles than ever before getting cleared to own weapons just in case.

But Russia absolutely buys the concept of Poland as a mortal enemy.... (and state tv has marked out Poland as a future target of military action).

So.... what's your brilliant plan for dealing with that?

They want it as far as the vistula, people or not. Ideally not.

well now is bad hatred toward each other. abit late, i dont know how to solve it now.
we just shouldn't have this east policy of confrontations and sanctions for the past 20 years.trying to demonize and destroy Russia.shut their gas pipes ,remove pro Russian presidents in Ukraine ect.

removing yanukowicz was unnecessary and led to civil war. how to find a way out of this mess now. i dont know. need talks and concessions. repair it somehow

@gregy741
You have no clue. Concessions are for losers. Ukraine does not have to make any concessions for anyone for anything. Russia wouldnt be demonized is they wouldnt act like animals, and their entire history is of an animalistic nature.

Its none of Russia's business what Ukraine says or does. Russia guaranteed Ukraine safety in the 90's when Ukraine gave up nukes, so where TF are those guarantees over the last 8 years? Russia is a $hi* hole country, and you have obviously never been there. A Putin @$$ licker either for money or because you need a cause to be involved with. Russia is evil, and they have been for more than 100 years, nothing every changes there except who the POS is leading the mongoloid horde.

That was done by Ukrainians... no one else (well he himself actually ran but because of anger from the Ukrainian public).

Do you think Poland should help a pro-Russian president of Ukraine stay against the will of the majority?

Concessions, like turning a blind eye to the illegal annexation of Crimea? That's turned out well....

Maybe integrate russia into the European economic system so that it would have no motive for attacking its neighbors.... Wow, didn't that work out (chef's kiss)

Appeasing aggression (concessions) never works it just means worse aggression in the future.

Ideally Russia should collapse and break up into several smaller countries (starting with the Far East pealing off - they've been unhappy with Putin and Moscow for some time now...)

In Russia they are very serious about recreating the CCCP.... apparently they're starting to implement protocols to block VPNs....

twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1530958228300906498

The head of RT said that Russia needs "total information control" and more censorship so it looks like that's what Russians are gonna get...

How stupid do you have to be to miss the Soviet fekcing Union?

Victoria Nuland is possible "no one" and sen. John Sidney McCain III is probably "else". Various western ambassadors and parlamentaries is probably "nothing at all" (I would partially agree).

But there was much less than 0.1% of ukrainian population on Maidan, and it was mostly hyperactive freaks, partly from western regions. And support outside Maidan was questionable - аbout 70 percent of the population in the Donetsk region, when asked about what happened on the Maidan, called it a armed state coup.

So, be prepared to accept when <0.1% of polish population will dump elected anglo lapdogs and install military junta as "temporary government". What is fine in Ukraine cannot be bad in Poland. ;)

and Geoffrey R. Pyatt and bunch of right sector/sloboda thugs who didnt even have parliament representation.
1000 thugs is the "Ukrainian nation"yet yanukowicz was elected by majority Ukrainians doesnt matter for him .
he doesn't understand and never will.that the nationalist intelligence

Germany has failed to provide any heavy weapons to Ukrainian forces in recent weeks and appears to be scaling back its military support in a break from Western policy, leaked documents have revealed.

German broadsheet Welt said it had seen official papers that showed Germany had not supplied any significant weapons to Ukraine since the end of March, despite vowing to grant its forces the weapons they need to repulse the Russian army.

telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/29/germany-has-not-sent-promised-large-arms-ukraine-leaked-documents/

Zsolt Bayer, an associate of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, called the Kiev regime's actions Nazism, namely to remove Russian literature from the school curriculum.

"It already happened in Nazi Germany. Goebbels already said so... Large fires were burning in the streets of Nazi Germany at that time, works harmful to German thinking and the German people were thrown into them, especially and, of course, the works of Jewish authors. And Heinrich Heine warned that those who start burning books end up burning people," he said in a video published by the Hungarian media.

Bayer also questioned the existence of Ukrainian culture and said that the country's territories were not Ukrainian at all, but taken away or obtained in Russia and Poland.

look you are a Russian, what more you are a part of the system, you don't get certain things, remember we talked about it. Citizenship, rights, civlization, society. You don't get it at all. A big blind spot. So there is no way you are going to belive that Ukrainians had enough of you pulling them about like things and that reaction against president that went back on his word due to being Putin lapdog was real. Grassroots and all that. IF Some or other Ameircans at the time give it a nuge or not that is immaterial.

Ukrainias are not like Russian that the crux of the matter.
Also you Muscovities are making a BIG mistake. You made it already. You due to your complexes assume that you are on par with the USA, or that you can be one of the big players.

The thing is Americans as nochalant as they are let you play with Germans and EU and French and all that on assumption that giving you free ride here would in the end make you become their ally agianst China.

Your move, too hasty, and ill prepared gave USA the final NO to their question. They have no intention of leaving Europe, never has, that just push and pull they play and German or French game here doesn't matter that much.

Russia has delusion of being an imperium, you need to process it, let it sink in that is a painful precess I guess.

By the way in that order Russian order there is no place for eastern europe as a place of growth and prosperity. Just a third rate backwater, a colonies divided between Russia and Germany.

You see that Poland has no much choice in this matter. Going down without fight is not an option, hey but there is a bright side, there is a good chance, I would say 80% Russia is going down.

That is a good news for Poland.
For all good people as well.

What's nazi about not including literature from a foreign and hostile country that's brutalizing you form the curriculum?

I think it's eminently reasonable!

Ukrainians are not Russians and don't want to be Russians.

Why is it so hard for Russians to understand that? Do they put stupid pills in the water there or something?

Despite a common language and similar culture Americans have no problem realizing that English speaking Canadians are not Americans and don't want to be. So... we don't invade!

But things that are simple to the rest of the world are very very difficult for Russians (and their massive, unearned superiority complex, it's an inferior country filled with inferior values and contributes nothing of value to the modern world beyond natural resources (which it can't even do honestly, but has to have corruption and robbery mixed in with it)

But I suspect that velund might not be with us longer (or will simply confirm his status as paid troll) if the crackdown on VPNs continues or gets stronger....

You mean that less than 0.1% of Ukrainians are fighting you now?

Ukraine give up Nukes for peace -> RU broke the agreement
Ukraine gives Crimea for peace -> RU decides to invade 8 years later

But this time giving what RU wants will solve /sarcasm

Less than 0.1 percent of Russians are on the front line so clearly they don't support the war?

does it matter he is? you should seek truth,facts,embrace different opinion (especially from opposed camp) different views
finding truth is exactly by comparing your position to oppose views .always assume that your views might be incorrect.
if you are hard core leftist,you should read right wing books to see and find why those people think different. reading only left wing books will only radicalize you.

seeking truth is not seeking facts that i like and support my view.

facts = truth for non-Russians

Russki confirmed!

i meant "facts that i like"", sometimes we ourselves chose which facts are true which are not. and thats not reality, but merely our choice

geez how little you understood from what i wrote.mind blowing

Ethnic Russians are not willing to fight against Ukraine - Polls show the majority support Ukraine in this war with only a minority being ok with Russia invading and many ethnic Russians are already currently in Ukraine's military.

Yip, looks like their mood changed a bit since the beginning of the war...



... the woman at 2:49 - priceless. :)

how could anyone respect a country of thieves!?

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