Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Joker if a Russian walked into Red Apple he would look at those kotlety and think he had died and gone to heaven - that's a month worth of food stamps right there

"The situation in Ukraine has shown the isolation of the West from the rest of the world" - Silvio Berlusconi
twitter.com/heyhelloirene/status/1532964161101393920
well. Russia winning military war,economic war and now even international support,with Asia, Africa siding with Russia

Russians have an independent country that isn't being invaded, so you have nothing to fight for, besides democracy at home. But you neither understand nor care for democracy, so...




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;D I think that's exactly what Velund meant :D

@gregy741, it's not that the West is isolated. The world in general usually doesn't care about local military conflicts that much, from what I've noticed, especially if they're far away and don't affect them. At least not enough to do something about it or jeopardise their interests. The West is rich enough and evolved enough to care more, imho.

Interesting idea: Russia isn't really a country, it's a European empire*. The other two European empires were the Hapsburgs and the Otttomans and were dismantled long ago.

People living in the RF would benefit from dissolution of the massivly dysfunctional Russian empire.

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1532810606553845760

*as opposed to overseas Empires held by the UK or France, for example

Some backround and controversies concerning dismissal of the Ukraine's human rights chief Lyudmila Denisova:

In English:

dw.com/en/why-ukraines-human-rights-chief-lyudmila-denisova-was-dismissed/a-62017920

In Polish:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/ukrainska-rzeczniczka-praw-obywatelskich-odwolana-internetowe-wpisy-w-duchu-skandalizujacych-brukowcow-6776035031325344a

Interesting info, thanks!

I now guess the main reason to shaft her has been some false info by her....at least it would be an explanation....

We need to test this alliance and see what it is really worth. RuSSists, go on, we are ready. Are you? hahahaha


Nonsense. RuSSist leadership is very frustrated that China refuses to go against Western sanctions and help RuSSia more. RuSSists, give up this wishful thinking and dreams which are far from reality.

I suppose you know about it already. Don`t be naive thinking we don`t.

Russia winning the economic war - thats a good one. GDP down 10 percent, tax receipts down by 40 percent means the very basic services will soon be at Tsarist levels.

Something to ponder over your Alfa Kola and McDenis lunch before you try and arrange to meet friends on WitZap if you can get that Togolese cellphone to work for more than an hour.

because it will not help people in Russia to gain freedom and rights.

t.me/sputnik/5606

There are more and more people who have had enough of Ukrainian asylum seekers.

t.me/sputnik/5580

Poles are protesting against the decisions to sanction Russian companies because it causes economic difficulties in the domestic economy.

The lesser of two evils.
Which is just making Poland and the E.U. stronger.

Another day, another weird fire in Russia....

Today it's Tyumen's turn as the regional Duma's motor depot catches fire...

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1532976070693199872

Shouldn't have sent those firefighters to Ukraine, Russia, how about staying in your own borders for a change?

No they aren't. Don't lie.

Your source is 'Sputnik', a russian government propaganda and fake news setup.

What on Earth are you talking about? My entire rant about your hypocrisy and egotism was based on how THE WEST is too often willfully blind to the suffering of people in faraway conflicts - many, more brutal than what we have seen in Ukraine.

Instead you reply with more imperialist racism. It's those people that are more evolved - not you. Usually, by the time the first refugee hits your shores - the countries neighboring their country of origin would have already taken on more refugees than their society can safely handle (Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey all acted to take millions of Syrians). When you fu*k something up, as you so often do, it's the neighbors usually mopping up. So it happened when you destroyed Libya, and Tunisia , Algeria, and Egypt became flooded with Libyans. So it is now with Afghanistan, where Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are being flooded with ethnic Tajiks and Uzbeks.

Understand, that Tunis didn't attack Libya, and Tajikistan did not attack Afghanistan, yet they do most of the heavy lifting in assisting those countries' citizens in hiding from the ravages of war. This while they are themselves poor as hell. You - the perpetrator - do next to nothing. Oh, I forgot - you freeze both Afghanistan's and Libya's central bank reserves - that's what you do. When someone is about to collapse into famine - you place the cherry on top by stealing their money. This is why no one wants to help you with Ukraine. Just do what Jordan and Turkey have been doing for decades to clean up the messes you've been serially creating. Stop moaning and look in the mirror.

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Head of Red Cross accuses Europe of double standard:

washingtonpost.com/world/europe-accused-of-double-standard-on-ukrainian-refugees/2022/05/16/6ff4ce48-d57a-11ec-be17-286164974c54_story.html

Stick to the topic of the thread please

Some do, becasue Government acted without a proper plan.

Plan was clear, and scripts was prepared. Ukrainian troops attack Donetsk and Lughansk aglomerations in last days of February or first days of March (at least orders found on positions can be interpreted as a preparations), and make the same as we seen in most damaged areas of Mariupol, with numerous casualties between civilians (a lot of people with Russian passports there). Then Putin have 2 choices, both was scripted to turn as wrong for him. But Putin choose their own choice, that wasn't scripted (though it was voiced more than once by him - if fight is unavoidable then strike first). And something goes not as planned. But scripts was not corrected, or some actors was not notified about changes, so many moves look stupid. Also, MSM was funded in advance for some period, many articles ordered to be published at "right" moment, and looks like even speeches of Biden written in advance based on prognosis materials (200 rub/usd in their speech for example, where in reality it was <70). So, HUGE preparation work that was wasted, and caused no results or opposite results. Let's see what will happen once already allocated propaganda money will finish. ;)

Now, West need to act in real time and in "fog of war". For now - not very adequate...

I'm talking about all the aid, help programmes, human rights groups, NGOs from the West helping people around the world, the West giving at least some sh1t about human rights, democracy, freedoms, etc. around the world. Promoting those values.


Not people, but societies - yes. The Western countries are the most developed countries in the world in all kinds of aspects. There isn't anything racist in stating that, because Poles are white and the West is still more developed than Poland is and I'd say the Western societies are usually more envolved in terms of democracy, civic society, transparency, law and order, etc. I'm not saying that they're perfect and that they never f*ck up, but there's a reason why people from all over the world want to get into the West.

And when the society is rich, it starts caring about others, not only about themselves.


Yes, just like Poland is mopping up by taking in all those Ukrainian refugees, because Russia f*cked up big time.

Also Germany took in a lot of refugees during that refugee crisis in the past, even though they didn't invade Iraq.

Btw, Bobko, as for "you" - I'm not the West, neither is Poland :)))

All that, is worth didley squat, and are more for you to feel good about yourself. Certainly worth less than a single Chinese infrastructure loan, or batch of Russian military aid.

I doubt there was much time for any plan. Sanctions needed imposing and they needed to be imposed as quickly as possible. Polish governments aren't know for planning anyway; they tend to be reactive.


Twaddle.


This is true. The system has evolved over centuries of trial and error.

russia however has always been a sewer.

It's not a country, but a dinosaur empire that has outlived others (because the age of empires ended long ago). Full of intrigue and backstabbing and the elites robbing the people blind (who meekly accept it because... what else can peasants do?)

So, you are totally dependent on MSM propaganda and you are pushing their narratives without any chances to personally check real situation.

I lived in Lithuania, Spain, Taiwan, and France (not so long, 2 weeks only, but it was quite busy two weeks). And visited about 25 countries with short visits.

Everyone here blame Russian Post for unreliability, non-client oriented service and huge lines in post offices. But shipping/receiving few parcels via Correos de España, one of which was for unknown reason delivered to a post office 40 km away and NOTHING was successful to have it forwarded to a correct post office except personal visit to other city and long round of talks with people who does not care (I had my spanish friend with me as a translator)... Now I almost love Russian Post service.

Mobile communications? Russian mobile networks now a generation ahead of what I seen in Spain and France, at least in more densely populated areas of Central Russia. And way cheaper, especially for those who on prepaid SIMs and does not purchase yearly contract with heavy monthly payment for included minutes and gigabytes.

As for income... I had a chance to talk with a grocery store owner, running similar small stores in Egypt and France. Approximately same size, same assortment, kiss to the ass for every tomato before placing it to shelves, handshake with every potato in the crate, hard work from sunrise till sunset... Almost tenfold difference in monthly income in monetary form, as you can imagine French guy get way more. BUT - Egyptian guy can afford much more in their everyday life for what he get, except imported stuff like luxury cars.

About freedom - I always thought that Russia is over-regulated country... Living in Spain force me to change my mind completely. Russia is a nest of freedom, compared to bureaucratic hell of EU. You may own the land and house, and pay heavy taxes for your property, but not you decide what you will do on this land. You erect a mast for amateur radio antenna for your hobby near home on your land at Canarias, almost half kilometer from any neighbour houses, and first you get is a joint visit of Guardia Civil, Policia Local and Mediamente, that starting to check what is this, do you have permission from local architect to erect this here, do you have a project made by authorised design bureau, etc, etc... 3k EUR to make a stupid signed mast installation project, then hired lawyer to run never-ending lawsuit, because local architect issued order to remove antenna.

Come on, don't waste your time with me. Are you testing Russian propaganda?
You relize that If NATO and USA would attack (no nukes there) American soldiers would have already kicking in doors at Kremlin.
The fact is that west send some munition to Ukrainie but that all. Ukrainians are doing the rest themselves.
As for sactions they already work, as your technika doesn't work without western technology.


Not if they hurt Polish businesses.


Look shunshine if you don't like it,. you can organize, get people, gather money and hire radio time or use the internet to gather more support, you can say all you want about Biden his adminstration, your governor, democrats or Republikans, you can make insulting memes about any person in power in the USA. All of you can have legaly firearmes.

In Russia what you post here about USA, if you posted on some Russian website as a Russian about Russia, Putin and other people in power, you would be stopped by the Russian police and either got a heavty fine or put in prison, or some 'unknown people' would kick the sh'ty out of you or all the above.

So stop your BS or addmit you are Russian.

Ok. When it comes to sucking on Germany's teet, and giving weapons to Ukrainians - you are Europeans. We are Mongols (nothing wrong with that imho, but factually incorrect), we are orcs.

When I point out the disgusting facts made possible by your American and British overlords - suddenly "Poland is not the West". Typical schizophrenic Pole, most twisted of Slavic peoples.

Oh shut up with your Russian BS. What are Russia? That is not even a nation. Paulina is a woman and she talks a lot of emotional stuff. Beside in Poland there are diffrent views and opinions we don't have like Moscovites a one official propaganda stance on certain subject or isuess.

Like that BS about Poles you spewning again and again. You Muscovities Should not attack other countries in the wars of agression, should not robb them occupy them and then cry like a baby when someone doesn't like it or fight back. What kind of F up mentality is that? If there is F schizo mentality of a nation or a country out there that would Russian mentality.

Look sunshine, don't compare the US, the gold standard of freedom of speech, with Russia - especially when Russia is in war.
Compare "tyrannical" Putin and Russia with that "democratic" Ukraine and do Z-P. Let me know the outcome.


I am just an ordinary genius and not a Russian. I just am not mental about them like most Poles here.

Russians was established nation even at the time he refused to participate in suppression of revolt in British Colonies in America. ;) And kept their statehood since then. So, you can continue to think what you wish, but it will not change the facts. You have to live with Russia, there is no choice offered to you by geography. Any attempt to change this with help of third parties may end by something similar that you see now in Ukraine.

And about american soldiers knocking to the doors of Kremlin.... Seems like you are overly optimistic. MSM brainwashing and well known polish chauvinism may be fatal to you.

From Washington Post:

Having reached its 100th day, the war between Russia and Ukraine is now at a demoralizing stage for many Ukrainian soldiers. In the trenches of this coal-mining region, they are reeling from brutal Russian artillery onslaughts that call to mind the indiscriminate savagery of World War I.

From Novichok Post:

Give it up, zidiots. Z-P=0. I told you so way back but you wouldn't listen.

I've never lived abroad, but I visited other countries :) Visiting as a tourist or if it's work-related gives you some idea about the place, but, of course, you only really get to know what life looks like in a given country if you live there for a while.

And, no, of course I'm not totally dependent on "MSM propaganda". Some of my friends moved to the West or worked there. I've also read some blogs of people living abroad. For example, I once stumbled upon a blog of a Polish woman living in Egypt who married an Egyptian man. As you can imagine, visiting Egypt as a tourist and living there is a completely different matter... In the end that Polish-Egyptian couple decided to move to Greece, as far as I remember.


Taiwan being the only non-European country and all of those countries are democracies.

Velund, you live in Moscow so you may not be that impressed with the standard of living and quality of life in other countries. After all, people from all over Russia move to Moscow, right?

It's different though for people living in less affluent and developed parts of the world. Or even parts of Russia or "the Russian world".

Earlier in the thread I posted a video on YouTube made by a Russian from Transnistria living in Poland. He invited his parents to visit Poland. They loved it so much that they moved here and found a job even though they aren't young people anymore. His father seemed like a very intelligent and observant guy. During sightseeing Poland he concluded that, unlike Transnistria, apparently, Poland is a country for people (I guess he meant people-friendly). Btw, he's a veteran of the Transnistria war (on the Russian side) and wrote a book about it.


Of course we're Europeans, but we're not Western Europeans.
Polish troops took part in the invasion of Iraq and spent many years in Afghanistan, but Poland didn't have anything to do with Libya. That's why I pointed out to you that you're going to far with that collective "you".

If you had a reason to be aggressors in Afghanistan, Russia had a million reasons to go to Ukraine.

@Novichok, Poland had it's "reasons" in case of Iraq, but whether those were good enough reasons - that's another matter. I was against the invasion of Iraq and I'm against the invasion of Ukraine. It's a bit different with Afghanistan for me, but ultimately it looks like it was a mistake too - at least staying there for that long without doing enough for the people there...