Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

@Crow
You are either bat $hit crazy or the dumbest human walking the earth. You know nothing about the US or its resources. Clearly the largest natural resource in Serbia is stupidity of its citizens.

@Bratwurst Boy
Exactly. Imagine no bombing of Pearl Harbor. No US war entry. All of Europe would have completely fallen and would likely still be under control of the Reich. Without the US, Russia couldn't have done $hit against Germany and Japan. Russia and China would probably be in the control of Japan now. No atom bombs dropped, no disarming of Japan or Germany.

But we don't hear all the POS Russian trolls talking about how grateful they are to live in a society that was created and has endured because of the sacrifices the US has made. No, they are worse than some far left nut jobs talking about he/him and she/they BS pronouns. Really, they are worse than the worst left win flag waving parade walking nut jobs. Ungrateful people should be dealt with publicly IMO. You do not have to like everything, but if you are not grateful for the freedoms that other people have died to provide for you, then you need to leave the country.

Then I am blessed.

.....yeah....I found that funny too....as if a Europe without the US would automatically become a russian Europe! :)

@PolAmKrakow
The ridiculous hard man image you are trying to portray is actually quite funny confirming every prejudice Europeans have about crass Americans.

You are a regural loon aren't you? That dude is just talking pure rubbish. Do you think that anyone with an ounce of reason are going to listen to those insane rumblings?

One part had held out despite incorrect American predictions of the opposite, notably by Joe Kennedy and would probably have continued to hold out, not least with the assistance of Australia, Canada and other colonies, to this day legally linked and at that time even closer.


Without the bases leased to the yanks (in exchange for assistance in Europe) three yanks would not have stood a chance against imperial Nippon.


Get over it.


Many of whom were neither conservative nor heterosexual. Perhaps those who denigrate their heirs today should leave the country they fought and died for.

He's not a Bishop, he's a bogus bishop who was excommunicated from the fringe sect that he once belonged to. He is also a convicted holocaust denier.

Stop peddling fake news..

For the spiritual and mental slaves of the deep state he isn't.

For the normal and moderate believers he is an authority.

Otherwise, what do you think, will Zelensky kill himself in the bunker or will he run away like a little rat?

Are you talking about Russia? Good boy!


talking about rats - where do you hide?

Like Putler cowering in his bunker afraid to leave it?


For the church he isn't either. For nutters like you, who knows? .


He's a member of an obscure and extremist sect. Or was until they kicked him out for being mentally unstable even for them.

@Barney
Crass Americans? Maybe crass. Imagine a Europe without American military backing and presence. That's the beauty about being American, or European for that matter, you don't have to care about other peoples opinions of you because you are a free person. I can be crass, nice polite and smiling all the time, or a profiteer in business. It doesn't matter. I would bet that Europe in general is happy to put up with a little brash talking or crassness in exchange for the protection and tourism dollars that come with that little inconvenience. Having lived here four years now almost, not once have I had a problem with this issue.

@jon357
As for my "getting over it" I was making a point that all the bleeding hearts for all the stupid issues that should be personal and private matters, the same groups most of the trolls complain about, are no different than these trolls themselves. Your opinion of Japan being able to beat the US is without merit. The US ended Japans war pretty quickly and didnt need anyone's help dropping two bombs. The opinions of Canada and the rest, you clearly have no idea how close the US and Canada really are mentally, and how connected their economies are, there is no separating them then or ever.

Absolutely! But, by doing that it does provide a buffer from NATO. That's always been a major historical Russian concern: to provide Moscow a buffer from the West, yes (or no)? Isn't that a central tenet of Putin's Russkiy Mir? It's all about Russian insecurity being made secure. It's the life-and-death drama of living in the European plain.

I told you months ago what this was about. Not about denazification, not a fight to keep them unreformed and undemocratic, not a fight to keep them poor - nothing else but to bring these malcontents back into the fold and send a reminder to everyone else to listen to us next time we try to explain our position.

Amazingly, FSB was not sent to assassinate me. My consulate did not reach out to me to say I am in serious trouble. Velund didn't even correct me. So, stop pretending I have been avoiding this fact.


Yes, not quite sure what to make of this. My new talking points script has not yet been distributed by central office in St. Petersburg. Please reach out again next week.

Whose is Crimea? (chiy krim?)
So let me understand your position. You think that an agression and a war against a country is the right way because they were not listening to your demands? Could you tell me what were those demands?


Why would they? So far you are all for Moscow policy and for Putin and for the war.

Why the hell should free people listen to Russia's demands?

You have your own country, with plenty of space and natural resources and fertile land. It's a toilet but that's the fault of your rulers.

Stay there and sort that place out rather than bother the rest of us who only want to live in peace, have a fair standard of living and an equal opportunity in life.

And don't drink so much - you will be healthier and happier if you put the vodka bottle away, at least until lunchtime.

Crimea is Russia, and will always be Russian - until big enough asteroid destroys this entire planet once and for all.


I will tell you in progression, from beginning (when we were still ready to be nice:

1) Stop trying to join the EU and join the Eurasian Union instead

2) Stop trying to join NATO

3) Never think about touching the Black Sea Fleet

4) Allow for Russian language instruction to continue in education, to be used in government, and used by media.

5) Pay your goddamn gas debts instead of running to Europe to complain when you suddenly realize you don't like the price anymore

6) Protect rights of Russian investors (Russians owned 40% of Ukrainian GDP)

7) When we fight Georgians, or Syrians, or anyone else - make sure we don't see your stupid khokhol face there.

8) Stop fcuking with the Russian Church and immediately kill your Constantinople-created monstrosity of a church (founded in 2018). Return all the parishes and cathedrals you stole from us.

9) Find and punish every single piece of sh!t that desecrates Soviet war memorials and cemeteries.

10) Ban all ultra-nationalist organizations

11) Do not provide haven for Chechen separatists and Islamists

12) Stop renaming streets, squares, and entire cities to try to erase our common history.

I can go for a long time... is this enough?

No - it is complete bilge - the only 2 that are debatable are 6 and 7. The rest seem to imply that Ukraine is a vassal state and not an independent democracy. I think this is also the Russian view of Poland BTW

I loved the look in Lavrov's sickly face when he was asked that question about theft. For the first time in maybe 20 years someone was honest with him. It will be awesome seeing him at the Hague pretending that he is too demented to understand the charges

lol! So why would FSB arrest you, they would give you a medal, maybe you are FSB yourself.
By the way, can you put some argument to support your claim?


Yes, that is enough. Why would any country agree to those demands without a war?
I have only two questions to you:
1.Has Russia send those demands before it attacked Ukrainie in 2014?
2, Why Russia signed agreemnt with Ukrainie in 1997 in which Russia recognized territorial integrity of Ukrainie? Just to break it in 2014.

We had our man in the President's office in Kiev. We thought we had it made, and the game was in the bag. Then the sneaky Ukrainians flipped the tables on us and ousted him from power through an illegal coup. All our diplomatic achievements of the past years (e.g. extension of Black Sea Fleet lease to 2050, promise to withdraw from EU Association Agreement), were tossed out.

Imagine how stupid we felt.

Then we hammered them, took Crimea, and killed thousands in various cauldrons in the Donbass - and it seemed again that the Ukrainians were prepared to be reasonable. We signed the Minsk II Accords, which contained all the things we wanted. Imagine our surprise, when for the next eight years the Ukrainians focused on sidestepping every single point of the agreement. No decentralization, no autonomy for Donbass, no ceasefire, etc. Every time we try to negotiate with them - they lie and cheat.

How?


How many times do I have to ask for an explanation of how Ukrainian democracy is better than Russian?


Excellent question. That's why the US went to Iraq and Afghanistan and Russia went to Ukraine. Amazing how a big fist makes things happen.


Reading your posts gives me so much joy, Bobko.

Are you sure?
Do you know The Medal "For the Return of Crime? За возвращение Крыма.
You can find that on Wiki. Can you tell me what date is on that medal?


I'm going to read those.


If you want make flipat comments, tell me which part of those countries had been annexed by the USA?

Sometimes even a bigger fist won't help.....happened to the US (Vietnam) and Russia (Afghanistan) before.....what then?

Are the Russians really willing to continuously fight a hostile population in another country for years without end? Even with Putin gone (sooner or later)?

Ukraine: You choose which candidate to vote for and if enough people vote for the opposition candidate then they take office and face intense scrutiny from the press on a regular basis.

Russia: You pretend to vote while your vote is discarded and the pre-selected candidate wins who proceeds to hide in a Siberian bomb shelter for years while occasionally faking a public appearance.

I'd prefer the first, which would you prefer?


No. He went back on campaign promises which led to protests which led to typical Russian-style violent repression, which led to more protests until he got scared and ran. Stop calling it a "coup". That word has a meaning, and it's not what happened.

No but Russians are ready and willing (can't barely wait) to kill millions of Ukrainians. They've done so in the past and think it was great and so they want to again.

Everything is an excuse, Russia has been turned into a cauldron full of violent psychopathic maniacs who hate everyone who isn't them.... I've heard that when reports of rape and theft by soldiers came out is when people started volunterring....

(and Germany helped, so.... Danke!)

Which would be?

Ok, I will tell you on the Medal "For the Return of Crime? За возвращение Крыма there is a date 20,02,14-18,03,14.
Do you know who was a president of Ukrainie 20,02,14?
I'm not going to wait for you - your man Yanukovych.
Do I need to tell you what that means? It means that attack on Ukrainie had been planed long ago before that date and at the time your man in the office.

So your claim that Majdan and outset of your man from power trigged Russia reaction is - 'a lie and cheat'.

Nothing new there!


They are going to stomp their feet.


I hope you are not going to run away like Velunt?

Could be in a thousand different places. Helping Yemen in their struggle with Saudi Arabia and UAE. Helping Lebanon and Syria with Israel. Helping China with Taiwan. Helping India with Kashmir. Sky is the limit.

@Cojestdocholery
Putin, kind of, sort of, addressed this. There's an interview where he explains when and how he took the decision re: Crimea and what were the triggers.

In general, I think it is naive to think that the type of operation that happened in Crimea could be planned spontaneously. At the same time, it doesn't require so much time that it started before the Maidan events. I think the discussion became serious in late January, and by early February it was clear there were serious problems. The interim solution negotiated by the EU and Putin was obviously not going to hold. The revolutionaries, riding a wave of euphoria, were insisting Yanukovych leave immediately instead of October. The EU pretended like it's hands were tied and that this was some chaotic, natural process and not a well orchestrated scenario like that in the Rose Revolution, Tulip Revolution, Orange Revolution. There was a clear need to act, otherwise the Black Sea Fleet might have been lost.

Sounds impressive but I doubt that....the Sovietunion isn't anymore and there will be even more sanctions coming, not to mention exclusions from events....to go full frontal with the West has never ended well in the long run(and no Russia isn't fully autark on a comparable niveau).

Especially China....they will want to keep their trade with the West too, I guess....will they risk it all for Russia?

Sadly this is true. There is also, equally sadly, only one way of stopping psychopaths and that is with extreme force.

They have invaded Ukraine three times this century under their bare-chested dictator. It is massive to think they will stop now.


No, my opinion is not "without merit" as you pretend. The yanks wouldn't have got that far without the bases and the thousands of troops from the commonwealth that we gave them.

Nor would they have had a bomb at all without the UK. Google "Tube Alloys".

Defeating tyranny must always be a joint enterprise.

And human rights, like wealth, land or power is never a "private matter".

Why are you writing about the US? Are you growing senile? You asked about the difference between Ukraine and Russia and I explained.

Ukraine - several peaceful transfers of power after elections.

Russia - no peaceful transfer of power after an election..... ever.

Leave the US out, just say why you think the Russian no-election system is better than Ukraine's multi-party elections?